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    An E46 M3 Owner's Test Drive of the B8 S4, Includes Accidental Porsche Slaughter

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    Hi guys, ex-B5 A4 owner and current owner of an E46 M3. This past weekend I had a chance to check out a 2010 S4 6-speed. My view of the entire 4 series, not just the S4, has always been that they're nose heavy, under-steering machines. The S4 line just happened to be slightly sportier with much more power. I've always seen the S4 as a car better suited to daily driving than spending time on any track surface.

    I'm not here to hate on the S4 at all. I drove the car because I am genuinely interested in replacing the M3 and the S4, on paper at least, is very intriguing. The S4 I checked out was a silver 2010 and appeared to be spec'd out pretty much how I'd want it. Visible options included the sport differential, navigation, Bang&Olufsen stereo, charcoal/alcantara Recaro seats and 19″ wheels. This was also a 6-speed manual with just under 42k miles and was stickered at $37k.

    So what is it like compared to my E46 M3? User DropShadow seemed to think I was spamming so somebody else posted the article below at post #9. <Moderator removed unnecessary link - if you want to share opinions, do it here on Audizine> I hope you all enjoy. I am DEFINITELY interested to hear opinions from other ex-M owners before I make a decision.
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    Post feels kinda spammy. Helps to proofread your article too.
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    I don't think it's too far off.

    Obviously the E90/92+ is what the B8 has become. It's not the same as the old days. It's like pitting up an E46 M3 to a say E39 M5 for say back in the day...a lot of similarities to the B8 S4.
    The 1/2 series is where BMW left off with the E46. Just my opinion

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    2009+ S4's dont have Recaro seats..

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    Felt like the article was pretty cheesy and came off as ignorant. I'm not sure why I read it to the end, but then again you did come on Audi forums just to talk about your M3 so I guess we could have predicted that one.

    Also, its called Quartz Grey Metallic or Ice Silver.. not silver. Welcome to audizine.
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    Ill give my E93 vs B8.5 S4 comparo next week after I return my M3 and get my S4. After a thorough test drive i can tell you that the Audi is much more solidly built, more comfortable, quieter, has much better low end and mid range torque and just feels more more solidly built.

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    I was in the exact situation as you are now, six months ago. I came for a 2003 M3 (Dinan) and suspension mods. Yes, the S4 will never come close to have handles or "race" like performance/raw power to the M, but IMO the S4 out class the M in every other category (granted it is many years newer). Add some mods to the S4 (tune/exhaust/intake/drop/wheels) and call it a day, well maybe
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    Quote Originally Posted by 13S4 View Post
    2009+ S4's dont have Recaro seats..
    Whoops. Never claimed to be an Audi expert. Are they made by Audi or with help from another seat company? Whatever they are, they were fantastic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dropshadow View Post
    Post feels kinda spammy. Helps to proofread your article too.
    for those who don't like clicking external links that do indeed feel a bit like a "spammy" attempt to promote "Josh Taylor Articles"

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    An M3 Owner’s Review of the 2010 Audi S4 B8

    Yesterday I had a chance to check out the latest generation of the Audi S4. It’s the B8 chassis, (2009+) and its supposed to be the best S4 to date. My view of the entire 4 series, not just the S4, has always been that they’re nose heavy, under-steering machines. The S4 line just happened to be slightly sportier with much more power. I’ve always seen the S4 as a car better suited to daily driving than spending time on any track surface.



    The silver 2010 Audi S4 I looked at appeared to be very well appointed and spec’d out pretty much how I’d want it. Visible options included the sport differential, navigation, Bang&Olufsen stereo, charcoal/alcantara Recaro seats and 19″ wheels. This was also a 6-speed manual. This car has just under 42k miles and is stickered at $37k. The original window sticker price when new was probably just shy of $60k.

    So what is it like compared to my E46 M3? I’ll tell you. Now.



    I slipped in to the seats and pulled the door shut. It closed with a reassuring thud. The type of thud you expect from a high end car. So far, so good. Inhale, the car still smells new. Or maybe it’s just a new-to-me smell. Maybe the original owner was just a pleasant smelling fellow. There were no signs of wear on the high friction areas of the seats. The metal surfaces of the shift knob and dials were still bright without any sign of tarnish.



    Grab the wheel. Slide my hands along the rim to reach nine and three. The soft leather feels good though if I am going to nit-pick I’d say the design of the center of the wheel — specifically the square’ish shaped airbag and the lower arm — doesn’t look up to par with the rest of the interior. The clutch depresses soft enough for a daily driver. I then adjusted the alcantara Recaro seats to their lowest point. Nice and low. Much lower feeling in the S4 than the M3 in lowest position. The alcantara and leather mix looks so sporty and feels so nice. I already love these seats and I haven’t even begun to toy with the side bolsters or lumbar. I’m OCD about my seating position but had no problem getting comfortable and keeping the seat back up enough so that my wrists rest over the steering wheel at high noon. I want these seats.

    The key to this S4 wasn’t really a key at all. You insert this small rectangular key fob in to a slot to the right of the steering wheel. From there you can either push the circular aluminum start button to the left of the shifter or push the key fob deeper into the slot to start the engine. I pushed the aluminum button.

    I’d like to say the engine roared to life but it did not. No, the battery wasn’t dead. It was just that the engine firing to life was, well, uneventful. Starting the 3.2L S54 in the E46 M3 is much more exciting. The M3 is loud and you can hear the valve train. The V6 engine in the S4 is that kid who somehow sneaks into class without the teacher noticing. Is this thing on? The only indicator is the needle on the ‘ol tach.

    My E46 M3 is SMG. So driving it daily, I figured I’d be happy with the S4 in 7-speed automatic flavor but I gotta tell ya, driving this S4 with the 6-speed manual was blissful. The shift knob appears to be rather large but it fits nicely in your hand. I had no qualms about the transmission but, lets be honest, I’m not picky. As long as it isn’t notchy like Tremec T-5 found the old Mustang 5.0′s then I’m happy.



    Before we set off on the test drive I adjusted my mirrors, set the car to full dynamic drive mode and then noticed my ass was on fire. This thing must have seat heaters and they must be on full tilt. It took me a moment to figure out how to turn them off. See the dial to set your side of the dual climate control? Yeah, that one. The knob is surrounded by several buttons. The top right is for the seat heater. You don’t just push the button — you push the button and then turn the knob to set the power level. Six settings to choose from. Seems excessive to me. I’m more than fine with the three settings in my M3. Does my ass really need that many temperature variants?

    All set and ready to roll. We snaked through the parking lot out of the dealership. I drove gingerly for the first mile so I could quickly adjusted to the clutch feel and steering wheel buttons — all two of them. Both sides of the steering wheel featured a scrolling wheel, just like the wheel on your mouse. Roll the left one up or down and the display between the speedometer and tachometer allowed you to quickly choose your radio station from a list. Press the scrolling wheel to play that station. Scroll the opposite wheel to increase or decrease volume. I didn’t try to press it so I’m not sure what that would do. Change source input, perhaps?



    I then noticed the a faint orange light on the inside of the side view mirror housings that illuminated on occasion. Apparently these are blind spot indicators. I’ve never driven a car with this option. I never felt like I needed this option if my mirrors were adjusted correctly. Cool feature? Shrug.

    Now we reach a light just before the highway to see what the S4 is like at cruising speed. The road we’re on is like six lanes and I’m in the second from the far right for the two lane on-ramp ahead. We’re first in line. A new Porsche Boxster S rolls up beside us. I noticed him, he probably didn’t notice me. That’s the stealthy bit about Audi’s line-up. Their sedans are good looking. Sleek with a hint of sportiness. Unless you’re in an R8, the average schmuck is never going to take a second look.

    The light turned green. I rolled off the clutch and onto the gas, taking the V6 near topside of the rev range in a hurry. Second gear was short shifted but the supercharger provided more than enough mid range umph to pull the S4 ferociously. I was listening for supercharger whine the entire time. I wanted it to sound like the 03-04 Cobra. It did not. Even at full bore the engine and exhaust note was subdued. What the engine did do well was continue to pull hard. Impressively strong for a 3800 lb car with three passengers. We’re about to upshift to 3rd gear and the Porsche Boxster S was at the S4′s rear quarter panel. The driver must have been in disarray. My car salesman in the backseat? Speechless. He doesn’t even sell Audi’s!

    We took the on ramp at speed and this is where I first felt… well, I think I felt, the sport differential doing work. The sensation was of the car rotating on its own through the corner while under power in an almost unnatural manner. If my M3 felt like that I would have a) prepared for opposite lock and b) thought my rear toe alignment was all sort of funky. What I believe was happening was the active sport differential was putting power to the rear and the rear differential was slowing the rotation of the inside tire. In practice it’s really something else. I would have to get used to that sensation.

    At highway cruising speed the S4 quieter than my M3. No surprise here. The M3 might just be louder at cruising speed than the S4 is under full throttle. Did I mention I love these Recaro seats in the S4? Front cabin space was ample. It was definitely more roomy than the M3 but not enough to lose the intimate feeling. The dash design and navigation layout grew on me as I drove. I couldn’t tell for sure, but I felt the dash may have been slightly tilted toward the driver in similar fashion to the E46 M3.



    Perhaps the most disappointing trait of this 2010 Audi S4 was the steering feel and the suspension. Again, keep in mind that I’m coming from an M3. I think if I spent the day in my fiance’s Corolla before jumping in the S4 then my opinion may have been different. The steering, while direct, was very light at low speed. The car was in Dynamic mode. I think that also sets steering input. Maybe not. At speed, the S4′s steering was tighter and never felt bad, it simply lacked the communicative feedback I’ve become accustom to in BMWs.



    The drive was over all too quick. Upon returning to the dealership I had to check out the rear seats. I have this thing about checking out the experience of a passenger. By that I mean just sitting in the back seats while the driver seat is how I would have it set. One of the reasons I’m looking at the S4 is to accommodate a growing family. With my driving position, the rear seats had plenty of leg room for me. It was easily more than the M3. The back seats were comfortable and looked to provide ample space for the inevitable family road trip.

    I hyped myself up over this S4 well before getting to the dealer. As much as I wanted to love the Audi S4, I left the dealership feeling disappointed. I wanted — no — I expected the S4′s suspension to feel tight. I expected the supercharger to be more pronounced under full throttle. What I had to remember was that the S4 was not an M3 and certainly was not a direct M3 competitor. I can hear the screaming Audi fanboys from here.

    Remember what I said about the S4 being the sporty sedan more worthy of street surfaces than the race track? That’s exactly what this is. And it’s not a bad thing at all. The S4 is a grown up and slightly more civilized version of the M3 without the size of an M5. Compared to the V8 powered BMW M3 sedan, the S4 is more comfortable and provides just the right level of sportiness.

    I’m an ex-racer. A new father. Chances are I’ll never drive competitively on a race track again but I still want to enjoy the back roads, row through some gears, and fling the car around every one in a while. I commute in traffic so the interior has to be an environment that’s enjoyable to live with. I want more space in my car for family trips but I don’t want it to be so big it’s a nightmare to park. I don’t want worry about the road conditions or tomorrow’s weather and am not going to drive an SUV or a mini-van.

    Could it be, then, that the Audi S4 is exactly what I need it would be?

    There is no way I could ever pull the trigger on a $40k car like this without an extended test drive and not to mention an extended warranty. A 20 minute spin around the neighborhood is insufficient time for me. I need to know what it’s like to live with. Chances are if I was to drive it for a weekend I wouldn’t want to return it. If this car doesn’t make me want to proudly wear an Audi hat then it isn’t the car for me. Isn’t that what a new addition to the driveway should feel like?

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    LOL - not sure if serious?!
    Did you buy it? I could not finish reading the article - way too cheesy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usa View Post
    Felt like the article was pretty cheesy and came off as ignorant. I'm not sure why I read it to the end, but then again you did come on Audi forums just to talk about your M3 so I guess we could have predicted that one.

    Also, its called Quartz Grey Metallic or Ice Silver.. not silver. Welcome to audizine.
    Glad you enjoyed it. ;) I'm going to go with Ice Silver. Thanks for the correction.
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    LOL @ some of the responses on here.

    I enjoyed the article. Everyone has their opinions and are certainly entitled to them. Being that you're coming from an e46m, I can see why you felt the way you did about the S4 and I have to say that I definitely agree with you. The S4 is a fairly mundane car in comparison and especially when completely stock. Luckily though, if you're ok with modding, a few aftermarket parts can quickly liven it up and change the demeanor completely while still offering a great balance of comfort and driveability :)
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    I think with some very minor suspension upgrades you will feel at home in the s4... the e46M is a great car but heirs on the side of dated in all aspects compared to the s4. The review wasn't that cheesy imo and pretty honest but you should realize there is a lot left on the table in terms of performance for the s4. You can easily squeeze more power out of it (many options) and sharpen up the handling via the guys at Eurocode and it will feel as buttoned down if not more so than your m3
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    Just some opinions of mine I felt like sharing

    You cant really compare an E46 M3 to a B8 S4, its so apples to oranges. Its like saying your explorer is better than an S4 because it has more room. The S4 is in my opinion a great all purpose car. It does many things well but not great. Stock for stock, nothing drives like a 3 series. Im an ex E90 335 owner. That car was a blast to drive but had a very spartan interior. Felt like I was in a late 90's car. The S4 sacrifices some of the sportiness for luxory so the seats are less supportive but more comfy and same can be said about the suspention (I had the sport model)

    I would also say RS cars are more in line with M cars especially when you factor in costs. I would compare an E92 to an RS5 and an E46 to a B5 RS4. People actually cross shop those not a E46-B8. Hell most people would cross shop a used B8S4 with a E90 335 before an M3 when you look at prices.

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    edit: can_I beat me to it.


    The S4 isn't M3 competition. The RS4 is.

    If he were coming off a 335, the S4 comparison would be accurate. His conclusions are right but the comparison is a little flawed.

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    An E46 M3 Owner's Test Drive of the B8 S4, Includes Accidental Porsche Slaughter

    I went from 2005 IB ZCP AA supercharged M3 to an B7 RS4. That was more of a linear change. For the $37k, you should have done the same if a high revving, sporty feeling car is what you wanted. S4 is still a great car tho. My interior is a little out dated, that is my one complaint.

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    I think everyone, including the OP realizes that the S4 is not a direct competitor to the M3. He even stated it in his 'article'. Though it's kind of difficult not to compare the two when looking for a car to replace his current one with.


    I agree with bmp. If you haven't already, definitely take a look at the B7 RS4 as well.
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    what understeer? Honestly, I don't know what you're talking about.
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    The biggest handling difference between this S4 and that M3 is grip. It's on wide 255 tires through AWD with a sport diff to coax the rear end into pushing the car to balance the front end pulling it. The S4 likes lots of throttle at the apex, enough to spin the M3, and flat out shortly after the apex. The S4 is a lot heavier and will chew through brakes. The S4 is safer but also slower - you can't have it both ways. You have to screw up pretty badly to lose it in a spin. It's extremely forgiving. The handling is pretty neutral as long as you've got your foot in the gas to shift the weight back. It always wants all 4 wheels under power, otherwise it feels difficult to steer or change direction.

    The S4 brings a lot of refinement that simply didn't exist in 2000 when the e46 came out, so the ride is very compliant and the clutch is very easy to operate. The sports diff does a good job of defying what is physically possible with a traditional mechanical diff.

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    I don't see why this point is getting negative reactions. The OP liked some things about the S4 and didn't like others. Also some of the things that he did not like also happen to be some of the most popular mods on this forum (louder exhausts and intakes that allow the supercharger whine to come out).

    To the OP, the E46 M3 is much harder core car than the B8 S4 (probably any S4 to date for that matter). Your car is a much lighter coupe with better weight distribution. For what it is (a 4k lb 4 door sedan) the S4 is a very competent car and I imagine that with a few tweaks you would be very happy with a B8. Sway bars make a dramatic difference on this car. Also if you were already impressed with the powertrain and if you don't mind paying to play then a tune will really wake the car up.

    On a side note, it was not the sport diff braking the inside wheel that you felt. The SD shifts power to the outside wheel mechanically and does not apply brake pressure to get the car to rotate a la Subaru and Porsche
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuthis View Post
    I think everyone, including the OP realizes that the S4 is not a direct competitor to the M3. He even stated it in his 'article'. Though it's kind of difficult not to compare the two when looking for a car to replace his current one with.


    I agree with bmp. If you haven't already, definitely take a look at the B7 RS4 as well.
    B7 rs4, stock, felt slower to me up at Denver altitude than the b8.5 s4.
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    I had no issues with the write-up and enjoyed most of it. Not the best comparison. Totally different cars. The E46 is a better drivers car, and much more fun. The S4 is a car for those that want to move quickly around a track with little skill and have an excellent DD, with plenty of go. With a tune and some whine, most of the S4 guys become race car drivers :P
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    I thought it was fair enough. I am not going to judge his Opinions, that would be a little silly. Regardless, was this a sizzle reel for his Car & Driver resume?
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    Just buy the S4 and turn the M3 into a racecar. It is easy and so can you
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    Hold onto that E46, bc BMW will never make a car like that again. Ever.


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    Quote Originally Posted by raudiace4 View Post
    Hold onto that E46, bc BMW will never make a car like that again. Ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by getslideways View Post
    for those who don't like clicking external links that do indeed feel a bit like a "spammy" attempt to promote "Josh Taylor Articles"

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    An M3 Owner’s Review of the 2010 Audi S4 B8

    Yesterday I had a chance to check out the latest generation of the Audi S4. It’s the B8 chassis, (2009+) and its supposed to be the best S4 to date. My view of the entire 4 series, not just the S4, has always been that they’re nose heavy, under-steering machines. The S4 line just happened to be slightly sportier with much more power. I’ve always seen the S4 as a car better suited to daily driving than spending time on any track surface.



    The silver 2010 Audi S4 I looked at appeared to be very well appointed and spec’d out pretty much how I’d want it. Visible options included the sport differential, navigation, Bang&Olufsen stereo, charcoal/alcantara Recaro seats and 19″ wheels. This was also a 6-speed manual. This car has just under 42k miles and is stickered at $37k. The original window sticker price when new was probably just shy of $60k.

    So what is it like compared to my E46 M3? I’ll tell you. Now.



    I slipped in to the seats and pulled the door shut. It closed with a reassuring thud. The type of thud you expect from a high end car. So far, so good. Inhale, the car still smells new. Or maybe it’s just a new-to-me smell. Maybe the original owner was just a pleasant smelling fellow. There were no signs of wear on the high friction areas of the seats. The metal surfaces of the shift knob and dials were still bright without any sign of tarnish.



    Grab the wheel. Slide my hands along the rim to reach nine and three. The soft leather feels good though if I am going to nit-pick I’d say the design of the center of the wheel — specifically the square’ish shaped airbag and the lower arm — doesn’t look up to par with the rest of the interior. The clutch depresses soft enough for a daily driver. I then adjusted the alcantara Recaro seats to their lowest point. Nice and low. Much lower feeling in the S4 than the M3 in lowest position. The alcantara and leather mix looks so sporty and feels so nice. I already love these seats and I haven’t even begun to toy with the side bolsters or lumbar. I’m OCD about my seating position but had no problem getting comfortable and keeping the seat back up enough so that my wrists rest over the steering wheel at high noon. I want these seats.

    The key to this S4 wasn’t really a key at all. You insert this small rectangular key fob in to a slot to the right of the steering wheel. From there you can either push the circular aluminum start button to the left of the shifter or push the key fob deeper into the slot to start the engine. I pushed the aluminum button.

    I’d like to say the engine roared to life but it did not. No, the battery wasn’t dead. It was just that the engine firing to life was, well, uneventful. Starting the 3.2L S54 in the E46 M3 is much more exciting. The M3 is loud and you can hear the valve train. The V6 engine in the S4 is that kid who somehow sneaks into class without the teacher noticing. Is this thing on? The only indicator is the needle on the ‘ol tach.

    My E46 M3 is SMG. So driving it daily, I figured I’d be happy with the S4 in 7-speed automatic flavor but I gotta tell ya, driving this S4 with the 6-speed manual was blissful. The shift knob appears to be rather large but it fits nicely in your hand. I had no qualms about the transmission but, lets be honest, I’m not picky. As long as it isn’t notchy like Tremec T-5 found the old Mustang 5.0′s then I’m happy.



    Before we set off on the test drive I adjusted my mirrors, set the car to full dynamic drive mode and then noticed my ass was on fire. This thing must have seat heaters and they must be on full tilt. It took me a moment to figure out how to turn them off. See the dial to set your side of the dual climate control? Yeah, that one. The knob is surrounded by several buttons. The top right is for the seat heater. You don’t just push the button — you push the button and then turn the knob to set the power level. Six settings to choose from. Seems excessive to me. I’m more than fine with the three settings in my M3. Does my ass really need that many temperature variants?


    Now we reach a light just before the highway to see what the S4 is like at cruising speed. The road we’re on is like six lanes and I’m in the second from the far right for the two lane on-ramp ahead. We’re first in line. A new Porsche Boxster S rolls up beside us. I noticed him, he probably didn’t notice me. That’s the stealthy bit about Audi’s line-up. Their sedans are good looking. Sleek with a hint of sportiness. Unless you’re in an R8, the average schmuck is never going to take a second look.

    The light turned green. I rolled off the clutch and onto the gas, taking the V6 near topside of the rev range in a hurry. Second gear was short shifted but the supercharger provided more than enough mid range umph to pull the S4 ferociously. I was listening for supercharger whine the entire time. I wanted it to sound like the 03-04 Cobra. It did not. Even at full bore the engine and exhaust note was subdued. What the engine did do well was continue to pull hard. Impressively strong for a 3800 lb car with three passengers. We’re about to upshift to 3rd gear and the Porsche Boxster S was at the S4′s rear quarter panel. The driver must have been in disarray. My car salesman in the backseat? Speechless. He doesn’t even sell Audi’s!

    We took the on ramp at speed and this is where I first felt… well, I think I felt, the sport differential doing work. The sensation was of the car rotating on its own through the corner while under power in an almost unnatural manner. If my M3 felt like that I would have a) prepared for opposite lock and b) thought my rear toe alignment was all sort of funky. What I believe was happening was the active sport differential was putting power to the rear and the rear differential was slowing the rotation of the inside tire. In practice it’s really something else. I would have to get used to that sensation.

    At highway cruising speed the S4 quieter than my M3. No surprise here. The M3 might just be louder at cruising speed than the S4 is under full throttle. Did I mention I love these Recaro seats in the S4? Front cabin space was ample. It was definitely more roomy than the M3 but not enough to lose the intimate feeling. The dash design and navigation layout grew on me as I drove. I couldn’t tell for sure, but I felt the dash may have been slightly tilted toward the driver in similar fashion to the E46 M3.



    Perhaps the most disappointing trait of this 2010 Audi S4 was the steering feel and the suspension. Again, keep in mind that I’m coming from an M3. I think if I spent the day in my fiance’s Corolla before jumping in the S4 then my opinion may have been different. The steering, while direct, was very light at low speed. The car was in Dynamic mode. I think that also sets steering input. Maybe not. At speed, the S4′s steering was tighter and never felt bad, it simply lacked the communicative feedback I’ve become accustom to in BMWs.



    The drive was over all too quick. Upon returning to the dealership I had to check out the rear seats. I have this thing about checking out the experience of a passenger. By that I mean just sitting in the back seats while the driver seat is how I would have it set. One of the reasons I’m looking at the S4 is to accommodate a growing family. With my driving position, the rear seats had plenty of leg room for me. It was easily more than the M3. The back seats were comfortable and looked to provide ample space for the inevitable family road trip.

    I hyped myself up over this S4 well before getting to the dealer. As much as I wanted to love the Audi S4, I left the dealership feeling disappointed. I wanted — no — I expected the S4′s suspension to feel tight. I expected the supercharger to be more pronounced under full throttle. What I had to remember was that the S4 was not an M3 and certainly was not a direct M3 competitor. I can hear the screaming Audi fanboys from here.

    Remember what I said about the S4 being the sporty sedan more worthy of street surfaces than the race track? That’s exactly what this is. And it’s not a bad thing at all. The S4 is a grown up and slightly more civilized version of the M3 without the size of an M5. Compared to the V8 powered BMW M3 sedan, the S4 is more comfortable and provides just the right level of sportiness.

    I’m an ex-racer. A new father. Chances are I’ll never drive competitively on a race track again but I still want to enjoy the back roads, row through some gears, and fling the car around every one in a while. I commute in traffic so the interior has to be an environment that’s enjoyable to live with. I want more space in my car for family trips but I don’t want it to be so big it’s a nightmare to park. I don’t want worry about the road conditions or tomorrow’s weather and am not going to drive an SUV or a mini-van.

    Could it be, then, that the Audi S4 is exactly what I need it would be?

    There is no way I could ever pull the trigger on a $40k car like this without an extended test drive and not to mention an extended warranty. A 20 minute spin around the neighborhood is insufficient time for me. I need to know what it’s like to live with. Chances are if I was to drive it for a weekend I wouldn’t want to return it. If this car doesn’t make me want to proudly wear an Audi hat then it isn’t the car for me. Isn’t that what a new addition to the driveway should feel like?
    somewhat common opinion of an m3 owner, but I don't understand a few points:

    I drove an e46 m3 for many years, the e46 m3 steering is not necessarily stellar, and definitely not that much more communicative than the s4 on dynamic.

    I dont understand how you can assess how the s4 behaves on a track from an on ramp experience.

    stock for stock the e46 and e9x m3 are much more visceral cars, no doubt about it, but you're sort of missing a lot of why the s4 is the way it is. you're comparing it from a perspective of meh, the s4 is not as good in this area, or this area, but failing to see how it actually excels far beyond either m3 in its overall role as a daily driven car.

    I DD'd the e46 m3 for many years, the s4 is a far superior car to DD, and easier to extract thrills from on the street coming home from work. The low end power is great for quick thrills.
    winding up an e46 m3 to 5 and punching it out to 8? That's fun too, but it requires a lot of energy, makes a lot more noise ,and really requires a lot more effort...

    S4 is easy, just blast a little here, a little there, and no one even notices the damn thing is so quiet.

    In many ways it feels very similar to a b5 s4 I had, it has the same sort of mentality in stock form, smooth and fast, not so raw as the m3, perfect DD

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    Before the E92 M3 the M3 was a direct competitor for the S4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auditude2.0T View Post
    Before the E92 M3 the M3 was a direct competitor for the S4.
    yeah I always found that interesting, how audi decided it wouldn't directly challenge the m3 in power, as it did before. People always parrot away about well the RS4 does that etc
    but the Rs4 existed well before any m3 was a threat or an equal, the RS4 had it's own original reason for its genesis beyond product parity. I cant remember why the b5 rs4 was created , but the e36 m3 was nothing, power wise, in comparison.

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    M2?
    Don't think so. Might be as close in handling, but will never match the rawness, looks or feel the e46. Haven't driven a M235 so can't say for sure. All reviews are great but wow is that an ugly ass car. Not as ugly as the 1 series was but still. Yuck.


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    I have no objections to anything written there. I have never believed the S4 = M3. I think the write up was fair. Some of those negative sentiments are echoed here daily. No big deal. That being said, the S4 does what it's supposed to do with grace and that's why we like these cars. The vast majority of us can afford M3's but purchased the S4 because of the compromise offered between DD and sports car. This car checks enough of both boxes to be satisfying every day in varied driving conditions.

    OP, where else have you published your comparo? How us it being received?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilation View Post
    ...I am DEFINITELY interested to hear opinions from other ex-M owners before I make a decision.
    OK, how about this thread:

    http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...=1#post8219483
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    Realize that for a long time the M3 had a 6 cylinder and the S4 had a V8. That didn't mean that the S4 was in a superior category to the M3, as we often associate engine displacement with class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by levigarrett View Post
    OP, where else have you published your comparo? How us it being received?
    Other than on RightFootDown.com (I'm the owner) and Jalopnik, this is it. Audizine is the first outlet to any provide negative feedback. I appreciate the feedback both positive and negative. I figured that a) Owners of the B8 would find the perspective interesting and b) I could hear the opinions of others who were in my shoes contemplating another vehicle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zcd2.7t View Post

    That's an amazing write-up! Only wish he was comparing the E46 M3. Having experience with the E90 M3, its close enough.
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    The B5 RS4 was the successor to the RS2 (Audi 80, B4 platform). Interestingly enough, the Ur-S4 was based on the Audi 100 (pre-A6 platform) then they moved the S4 nameplate to the (B5).

    Audi seems to do whatever they like. Sometimes they compete directly with the likes of /M and AMG, other times chart their own course.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boris View Post
    I cant remember why the b5 rs4 was created.

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    Sold my E46 M3 in Dec. 2012 and bought my S4. I do miss the raw fun of the M3 at times, but for 95% of my driving, the S4 is vastly superior. It's interior is night and day better, too.

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    I had a e46 m3 also before, completely different cars, i dont think i could compare them as in terms of what is better. If i had a choice id have both, b8 s4 as a daily and e46 m3 as a weekend fun car.
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    I too enjoyed the write-up. I stumbled on it while looking for something else and was going to post it but you beat me to it haha. Sometimes it's nice to get away from the super technical articles. It didn't really say anything new regarding the comparison as just about every M3/S4 comparison seems to arrive at the same conclusions but at least you recognized it's not a direct competitor.

    The sport differential really is a strange feeling and it weirds me out sometimes because I always worry that I'm losing traction. I suppose that's good because it keeps me from getting too crazy with it.

    Seat heater settings have changed on the newer models as mine only has three settings like your M3. I'm unsure of when that change occurred though.

    You're right about the s/c being too quiet (imho), almost immediately I purchased the Roc-Euro intake, installed it, and love the sound. It's very pronounced now. Suspension upgrades also seem to be popular but I'm still mulling over how soon I want to screw up my warranty as it's my first new car and having a warranty was part of the reason I bought new. *sigh* Decisions...

    Personally I am not a fan of the seats in my car. Too stiff, I'm pretty skinny so not much padding, but they do hold me in place pretty well. I had to drive a Ford Fusion for a couple days recently while my car was being fixed and while I hated almost everything about driving it I immediately liked the soft, cloth seats (not a fan of leather seats either). I wouldn't want them in my S4 but it was a nice change lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjames View Post
    Sold my E46 M3 in Dec. 2012 and bought my S4. I do miss the raw fun of the M3 at times, but for 95% of my driving, the S4 is vastly superior. It's interior is night and day better, too.
    I agree, BMW interior is archaic,I simply can't bring myself to accept their cars. I really like the exterior,but the interior,where I would spend my time,seems severely dated. If you are into nostalgia/history, I understand, but if you are into tech/innovation/progress I think the BMW falls flat. Great exterior,but I have no affinity to their history,so their interior means I will not purchase any recent model,although the M3 is beyond tempting.
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