Anyone got a larger throttle body fitted to the 2.0T?

[viziers]

You can use the same screws from the flapper motor and they will be the perfect length. FYI....



vizi

[olethalb]

Ahh good shout, thanks for info

Olly

[LoKisSpYdR]

So was there any trick to installing it other than longer fasteners? Special coding, etc?

[olethalb]

nope, simply bolted and and drove. didn't even perform align on test run.

fixed it on properly yesterday and performed tb align with vcds and all worked as normal.

car is pulling stronger for sure :)

[ultraleggera a4]

nope, simply bolted and and drove. didn't even perform align on test run.

fixed it on properly yesterday and performed tb align with vcds and all worked as normal.

car is pulling stronger for sure :)

Do you know any of the other OEM throttle body sizes, from what I've seen the 3.2l throttle body cost more than a 4.2l TB, is the 4.2l TB smaller or something. I looking into doing this mod myself & want the best OEM TB possible.

[ultraleggera a4]

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...le-Body-Sizing

I found this link but does anyone have an updated list of direct bolt-om TBs for the 2.0tfsi

[Levski]

Interesting write up. Thanks for the info.

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[ultraleggera a4]

Well finally got round to fitting the throttle body today after it gathering dust for 2 months

Do you know if the Bosch 3.2 throttle body has the same bolt pattern?

[ultraleggera a4]

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...ger&p=85182855

So I've been doing a little more research and the part # 06e 133 062 c is very hard to come by due to the fact that it has been superseded by 06e 133 062 g which is very common found on the b7 3.2 fsi and many of the 3.0tfsi motors

Here is another link I found above.

[pule333]

Finally all the parts are in :)

[mec]

So its bigger, but what all is involved in the tuning side? I am assuming no gains without the tune.

[LoKisSpYdR]

So its bigger, but what all is involved in the tuning side? I am assuming no gains without the tune.

If it works the way other DBW systems work, you shouldn't need a tune to gain anything. The large TB should make the throttle more responsive - more air flow at same throttle %. A TBA to reset the "memory" and the ECU should adjust to accommodate the new hardware.

[mec]

excting!

[pule333]

You can use the same screws from the flapper motor and they will be the perfect length. FYI....



vizi

What is this flapper motor?))))

[viziers]

What is this flapper motor?))))

It's the motor that opens and closes the flaps in the intake manifold. It is located on the side of the intake towards the firewall.

vizi

[pule333]

So I have installed all the parts (didn't use screws from flapper motor just drilled out the ones on the body half an inch)
Unfortunately my car did not 100% agree with the upgrade. It seems I have lost all the power from about 1500rpm. Feels like the engine doesn't want to spin any more as fast as before. Huge delayed reaction, Also funny whistle after about 4000rpm... Very puzzled. Very weird sensation. But it idles fine, starts fine, sounds fine (except for the whistle)
Any ideas guys? I am thinking maybe because I have a custom dyno map, the car is not getting or getting a bit to much of not enough of something?

[mec]

Could it be that the ECU just needs a bit to adapt? or is it violent enough that it just doesn't like the part? Could be that the input from the ECU to the TB changes significantly with that throttle body. is that the 3.2 fsi TB?

[pule333]

Could it be that the ECU just needs a bit to adapt? or is it violent enough that it just doesn't like the part? Could be that the input from the ECU to the TB changes significantly with that throttle body. is that the 3.2 fsi TB?

Yes it is. 3.2 A5.
It is not violent at all. Just very very delayed and slow. It's much faster to rev in neutral tho. How long does it take forbit to adapt to increased airflow? I would have thought few miles is sufficient?

[thenofjboy]

Did you do a throttle body alignment? You can do it the correct way via VAGCOM but I know there is a way to do it w/o vagcom but I cant remember......IIRC, you have to turn the key so the ignition is on and wait for the TB to click ? and then... Its been a while since I read about this haha sorry -

[mec]

Yes it is. 3.2 A5.
It is not violent at all. Just very very delayed and slow. It's much faster to rev in neutral tho. How long does it take forbit to adapt to increased airflow? I would have thought few miles is sufficient?

If I'm not mistaken...and I very well might be, the 3.2 in the a5 is different isn't it? What you want is a 3.2 2005.5-2008 throttle body

[Jake@JHM]

If I'm not mistaken...and I very well might be, the 3.2 in the a5 is different isn't it? What you want is a 3.2 2005.5-2008 throttle body

When I crossed referenced the part number I believe it was the same as the 3.0T in the b8 S4. I would have to check again though.

[mec]

When I crossed referenced the part number I believe it was the same as the 3.0T in the b8 S4. I would have to check again though.

Interesting. I find it crazy that you can just toss it in and the Ecu is ok with it, I would think it needs a correction factor or something minimum to run right

[olethalb]

Yea mine was from a 3.2 a3 if you need vagcom TBA pule drop me a message on fb

[olethalb]

Mine ran ok but better with tba, whistle sounds like air leak somehow

[pule333]

Part number is the same as the one Olly (awsome blue DTM) installed. Surely if the part has same number, it is the same part? I could be mistaken. And no I did not go any sort of alignments. Just fit and drive for a bit. A swapped it back now and everything is back to normal... I'm thinking, could it be the new piping? Or I actually do need to remap :(

[pule333]

That's the one.

[LoKisSpYdR]

When I crossed referenced the part number I believe it was the same as the 3.0T in the b8 S4. I would have to check again though.

As well as a number of other Audi's like the R8!
It looked like the updated Rev G is used in most of the larger displacement and HO engines use this TB.

[mec]

As well as a number of other Audi's like the R8!
It looked like the updated Rev G is used in most of the larger displacement and HO engines use this TB.

Want to know something that will blow your mind?!?!!? The newer audi v8's are using dual throttle bodies! Along with dual ECU's, one per bank of cylinders....so technology much advance wow!~~~

[LoKisSpYdR]

Want to know something that will blow your mind?!?!!? The newer audi v8's are using dual throttle bodies! Along with dual ECU's, one per bank of cylinders....so technology much advance wow!~~~

Dual TBs is nothing new, not even for Audi - they had a multi-TB S8 race car back in the 90s, but multiple ECUs is pretty incredible.

[mec]

Dual TBs is nothing new, not even for Audi - they had a multi-TB S8 race car back in the 90s, but multiple ECUs is pretty incredible.

Oh , well it blew my mind...I was like dual lpfp systems, dual ecu's dual hpfp systems, dual TB, dual everything! its like two engines in one car. Thats crazy when you think about it, How far we have come from wind up cars....

My friend and I were discussing what the mclaren p1 must be like...does it have three ECU's? One for each electric motor and one for the v8 engine?

[LoKisSpYdR]

Oh , well it blew my mind...I was like dual lpfp systems, dual ecu's dual hpfp systems, dual TB, dual everything! its like two engines in one car. Thats crazy when you think about it, How far we have come from wind up cars....

My friend and I were discussing what the mclaren p1 must be like...does it have three ECU's? One for each electric motor and one for the v8 engine?

The TDI/e-tron R8 or R20's are like that as well. Mid-engine V6 Bi-Turbo TDI driving the rear wheels with two electric motors in front for cornering and to assist when needed.
God, I'd love to get my hands on one of those...hell even the schematics.

Cars have come a long way since the 1970s let alone since the crank em up cars. Racing has always developed what comes next for production and Audi OWNS Le Mans at this point. Bodes well for the future of the brand.

/rant.

[mec]

The TDI/e-tron R8 or R20's are like that as well. Mid-engine V6 Bi-Turbo TDI driving the rear wheels with two electric motors in front for cornering and to assist when needed.
God, I'd love to get my hands on one of those...hell even the schematics.

Cars have come a long way since the 1970s let alone since the crank em up cars. Racing has always developed what comes next for production and Audi OWNS Le Mans at this point. Bodes well for the future of the brand.

/rant.

I was watching this the other day...so fuckin cool

[LoKisSpYdR]

Wow. That's badass!

I need to read up on that ERS. I'd love to see that system make a cross over to production. 160bhp boost with the push of a button without adding nitrous, plus it's all energy that would have otherwise been wasted!

[pule333]

Thanks guys for taking this boring thread to a different level.!

[LoKisSpYdR]

Thanks guys for taking this boring thread to a different level.!

In our defense, there was some relevance to the beginning of our rant which took a left turn and ended up in a pretty interesting, yet completely unrelated, area.

[pule333]

In our defense, there was some relevance to the beginning of our rant which took a left turn and ended up in a pretty interesting, yet completely unrelated, area.

Lol.

[mec]

Wow. That's badass!

I need to read up on that ERS. I'd love to see that system make a cross over to production. 160bhp boost with the push of a button without adding nitrous, plus it's all energy that would have otherwise been wasted!

Yeah its insane! We like to think regulation is bad, but it always seems to push formula one to be more creative and work harder, and we see newer technology, technology that will become affordable to the masses 8 years down the road lolol.

Thanks guys for taking this boring thread to a different level.!

Ha, sorry man, I'm still hoping you get this figured out, seems like a cool mod if its plug and play. Did you try a throttle body alignment yet?

[pule333]

Yeah its insane! We like to think regulation is bad, but it always seems to push formula one to be more creative and work harder, and we see newer technology, technology that will become affordable to the masses 8 years down the road lolol.




Ha, sorry man, I'm still hoping you get this figured out, seems like a cool mod if its plug and play. Did you try a throttle body alignment yet?

No man not yet. I am in Belgium for the weekend :) beer drinking ;) as soon as I am back I will fit it again and try TB alignment, as kindly offered by Olly.

[jsandor91]

hmm i wonder with a tune adjustment or tb reset would there be noticeable benefit for a k03 car. i know 1.8t guys usually upgrade to a hemi tb

[ultraleggera a4]

Does anyone happen to know the part number for the flapper motor bolts or know if one exists?