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    2010-2012 S-Tronic TSB (Photos)

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    TSB Details here

    Basically you have a DTC for the trans and if it meets the criteria then voila trans removal and parts replacement and reinstall
    This is what you'll see on the dash. It's a replacement of the "drive range sensor"










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    Wow, not my model year, but thanks for the info. Should be a helpful resource for others!
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    What is a drive range sensor? What does it do?

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    i've had this exact issue and was replaced under warranty at 55k miles
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    I'm just happy to see Audi is servicing the s-tronic and not just doing full replacements. This gives hope to us long term owners as our CPO or extended warranties run out. IT won't cost us 12-13k to replace the trans just because of say clutch packs. Just need a source for the parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwankPeRFection View Post
    What is a drive range sensor? What does it do?
    ^^^^^^^^^^^

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    Swank I don't have an explanation for you. The part number that was replaced isn't exactly well documented online. It is often listed as "sensor"

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    is that the 8051 - selector lever sensor error?
    is your car under warranty and dealer covers it or you been tuned and they made you pay for it?

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    I did some searching and it seems this sensor is nothing more than a sensor to tell the TCM what gear the transmission is in. There's some mixed results of course because with traditional autos this is nothing more than the neutral safety switch, but it seems in other DCTs it's used for other purposes too for the TCM to tell when to change gears, etc. Of course, I can't be 100% of the validity if this info, but that's what I found.


    All that said, what driving characteristics did the car exhibit? Did it behave anything like what users with failed mechs got? (i.e. Slamming into gears, etc.)

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    More DSG details; from "Self-Study Program 990193" here, page 20

    0B5 S Tronic Transmission
    Integrated Sensors
    The transmission control module, the four distance sensors and the two hydraulic pressure sensors are combined as a non-separable unit. Two temperature sensors are integrated into the TCM. One sensor is positioned to supply precise ATF temperatures.
    The other sensor is integrated directly into the processor and measures critical component temperatures. The two temperature senders monitor each other for plausibility. Electronics temperature monitoring is very important so that temperature reduction measures can be made quickly, as needed. Besides safety, ATF temperature is relevant to both clutch control and hydraulic control. For this reason, ATF temperature is also a key factor in control and adaptation functions. Automatic Transmission Hydraulic Pressures Sensors 1 and 2 are utilized for clutch pressure monitoring and for adaptation of the primary pressure and sub-gearbox pressures.
    Four distance sensors determine the position of each selector rail/shift fork. The TCM requires this information to immediately diagnose non-allowed positions and to activate a “limp home” program, if necessary. An exact travel measurement is also essential for precision gear shifting. The various phases of the synchronization and gear shifting processes can then be activated sequentially.
    A distance sensor consists of two Hall sensors and two permanent magnets which are attached to the selector rail. Depending on the position of the magnets in relation to the Hall sensors, the Hall sensors output a voltage which corresponds to the distance traveled. The travel signal is generated by evaluating both voltage signals.
    Drive Position Sensor G676 is located in the gearbox and is an integral part of the sensor module. This is a contactless travel sensor which is used to determine the selector lever positions (P, R, N, D, and S). A permanent magnet exerting a magnetic force on the gear sensor is located on the parking lock lever. The parking lock lever is connected to the gear lever by a shaft. It is actuated by the selector lever by means of a selector lever cable.
    Note: The transmission control module requires data on selector lever position to perform the following functions and generate the following signals and information:
    • Information on driver input/vehicle operating state (forward, reverse, neutral) for activation of the clutches and gear selectors
    • Information for selection of shift program “D” or “S”
    • Signal for controlling the starter inhibitor
    • Signal for controlling the P/N lock (shift-lock)
    • Information for reverse gear (for example, back-up lights, Park Assist System, etc.)
    • Control of the selector lever position indicator in the instrument cluster and gearshift mechanism

    The position sensor is a PLCD travel sensor. The abbreviation PLCD stands for Permanent Magnetic Linear Contactless Displacement sensor and describes a contactless sensor which measures linear travel using a permanent magnet. The signal generated by this sensor is very important for gearbox control and is safety-critical. For this reason, G676 consists of two redundant sensors arranged in parallel. The TCM always evaluates both sensors.

    Control Module Temperature Monitoring
    High temperatures have a negative impact on the useful life and performance of electronic components. Due to the integration of the transmission control module into the transmission housing (lubricated by ATF), it is very important to monitor the temperature of both the electronics and ATF. When the temperature reaches approx. 275°F (135°C) (measured by one of the two temperature sensors in the transmission control module), the electronics must be protected against a further rise in temperature. When this threshold value is exceeded, the transmission control module initiates a reduction in engine torque to reduce heat input. Up to a temperature of approx. 293°F (145 °C), engine torque can be reduced gradually until the engine is at idle. When the engine is at idle, the clutches are open and there is no power transmission from the engine to the drive wheels. When the protective function is activated, an entry is made in the fault memory and the following text message is displayed in the instrument cluster: “You can continue driving to a limited extent.”
    Clutch Protection
    If the clutch cooling oil temperature exceeds a value of approx. 320°F (160 °C), as determined by G509, the clutch is within a critical temperature range that can damage it. These temperatures occur, for example, when accelerating on extreme gradients, when towing a trailer, or when the vehicle is held stationary on an uphill slope using the accelerator and the clutch without engaging the brake. As a safety precaution, engine torque is reduced when cooling oil temperature exceeds 320°F (160 °C.) If the cooling oil temperature continues to rise, engine torque is gradually reduced, sometimes to idle. When the engine is at idle, the clutches are open and there is no power transmission from the engine to the drive wheels. When the protective function is initiated, an entry is made in the fault memory and the following text message is displayed in the instrument cluster: “You can continue driving to a limited extent.” As an additional safety precaution, the clutch temperature is determined using a computer model. If the computed temperature exceeds a pre-defined value, the above mentioned precautions are taken.

    “Limp Home” Programs
    In the event of a malfunction, serious damage can be prevented and mobility preserved by means of “limp home” programs initiated by the transmission control module. In addition, there are also protective functions, which protect certain components against overload. In the event of certain pre-defined system malfunctions, the transmission control module shuts down the subgearbox in question and activates the relevant “limp home” program (driving with intact sub-gearbox).
    1. Driving with sub-gearbox 1, sub-gearbox 2 shut down:
    • Only gears 1, 3, 5, and 7* can be engaged (with interruption in tractive power)
    • Backing up (reversing) is not possible
    2. Driving with sub-gearbox 2, sub-gearbox 1 shut down:
    • Only gears 2, 4, 6, and R* can be engaged (with interruption in tractive power).
    3. Complete gearbox shutdown:In the case of serious faults
    • for example, a faulty powertrain CAN, no identification by the immobilizer, or recognition of an incorrect ratio in the gear steps or in the final drive — the gearbox is completely shut down.
    • The nature of the fault dictates which gears are still available. To be sure that components do not overspeed, certain gears are disabled depending on fault type. After ensuring that no gear is engaged in the deactivated gearbox, all gears of the intact subgearbox are shifted without any further restrictions.
    Displays/Warnings
    The 0B5 transmission features new information and warning technology in the instrument cluster, which will alert the driver to a system malfunction or the initiation of a protective function. The following warnings are displayed:

    “Gearbox fault: You can continue Driving” appears when faults the driver may not notice are recognized by the transmission control module, which then activates a suitable substitute signal. These faults result in no, or only negligible, loss of performance. The purpose of the warning is to prompt the driver to take the vehicle to an Audi dealer at the next opportunity.
    “Gearbox fault: You can continue driving to a limited extent only” appears when gearbox protection functions and faults result in a loss of performance. This can have the following effects:
    • “Limp home” program: “Driving with sub-gearbox 2” is active. For example, gearshifts have interruptions in tractive power (even-numbered gears only)
    • Gearbox protective function is active, but engine power is reduced because the engine torque reduction function is also active
    • No power transmission to the driving wheels after stopping
    • The engine can no longer be started

    “Gearbox fault: You can continue driving to a limited extent only No reverse gear” appears when the “limp home” program, “Driving with sub-gearbox 1,” is active because reverse gear cannot be selected at the same time. Text messages disappear after five seconds, and are displayed again for five seconds at “ignition ON.” Yellow warning symbols are permanently displayed.
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    no difference in driving characteristics... transmission remained smooth and operated as before

    g676 in this diagram. Thanks for the notes that's helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marzz View Post
    is that the 8051 - selector lever sensor error?
    is your car under warranty and dealer covers it or you been tuned and they made you pay for it?

    CPO so covered under warranty.

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    is the car back on the road yet, has the error code disappeared?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marzz View Post
    is the car back on the road yet, has the error code disappeared?
    Yes. Code is gone and the car drive fine

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    Thanks for that info wwhan. Good to see someone on here with ties into this info. Good for the community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ihkskim View Post
    i've had this exact issue and was replaced under warranty at 55k miles
    Do you have an extended warranty or did they cover it as good will?
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    So this is a different transmission failure than mechatronics? And looking at the PDF you originally posted, the TSB is only for cars in warranty?
    http://cchanphotography.com/pvt/TSB_2032211.pdf

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    Resurrecting old thread. My 2011 S4 with DSG recently went into limp mode and then lost all power. In the middle of the West Side Highway in Manhattan with no shoulders. After five mins I was able to restart and get the car another quarter of a mile before the same thing happened. After about five attempts I was able to nurse the car back to Audi of Manhattan. When I stalled about 20 feet outside the dealer and a helpful cabbie suggested "That's a bad place to double park" I almost lost it.

    My car is still covered under CPO. The dealer is trying to claim that while the transmission is covered under CPO terms, the specific sensor that failed within the gearbox is not and thus I am looking at a $7200 bill. Doesn't seem to make much sense to me - I understand wear and tear items wouldn't be covered but essential sensors probably should be. The fault codes they gave me were:

    Fault 8052 P179E00 Drive position sensor electrical error
    Fault 8053 P179E00 Drive position sensor electrical error
    Fault 8947 P179F00 Drive position sensor malfunction. Faulty Drive Position Sensor.

    Anyone else have this experience where a dealer claimed CPO coverage did not cover specific parts within the gearbox? The car is not tuned.

    *edit* Also does someone have copy of the TSB noted above? That link no longer works, having trouble finding that specific one on the interwebs.
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    Try it again. If your codes aren't the same then the TSB will obviously not apply. That said I have never heard of CPO not covering a sensor. I would read the fine print then contact AoA.

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    After some back and forth with the dealer and AoA, I got a call from AoA letting me know that the TSB associated with this would be changed to cover both instances mentioned rather than just one. This was very welcome news and I much appreciated Audi stepping up to cover the problem. Both the dealer and AoA did a good job of keeping me in the loop as the authorization for the warranty work made it downstream. A few weeks later I was back in the S4 just in time for the blizzard to hit. If anyone happens to get these fault codes but is told the work won't be covered under warranty, it is definitely worth the call Audi of America (assuming you still have CPO coverage).
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    Just got hit with this issue at 63k miles. 2011, CPO and covered, but my main concern is if this is a long term fix, or just a precursor to the seemingly more common mechatronics repairs? Paul how has yours been running for the past couple years? My car is at the dealer with the parts on order and am wondering if and how I should push for any additional investigation of the gearbox while it's open. At least this eliminates the need for a costly teams fluid flush at 75k.....

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    Gear malfunction and comes out of gear

    I have ran into an issue I drive hard and the gear malfunction light comes on and on the second light I get taken out of gear and cannot drive forward. Today ran into the same issue and I ended up rocking forward in my seat and it started driving. The dealership said it was a sensor but I think it has something mechanical wrong. Did you run into the same problem
    Quote Originally Posted by paul View Post
    TSB Details here

    Basically you have a DTC for the trans and if it meets the criteria then voila trans removal and parts replacement and reinstall
    This is what you'll see on the dash. It's a replacement of the "drive range sensor"











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    2010-2012 S-Tronic TSB (Photos)

    Bumping this. I'm dealing with the same issue, however the car is three months out of warranty. I'll give my dealer a call and will try to have it covered as goodwill. Might work as the engine is stock...
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    I guess I need to bump this post also, just got the "gearbox malfunction, you can continue driving" alert, also three months out of warranty. Taking it to Audi next week. My mechanic said it appeared to be TSB 2032211 and would be a minimum of $3-4K for him to fix. Is this what others are finding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlemmons View Post
    I guess I need to bump this post also, just got the "gearbox malfunction, you can continue driving" alert, also three months out of warranty. Taking it to Audi next week. My mechanic said it appeared to be TSB 2032211 and would be a minimum of $3-4K for him to fix. Is this what others are finding?

    I just got same thing last year after launching the car and replaced the whole clutch pack because got clutch overheat code but didn't know it was because this TSB or circuit board / Temp sensor gone bad.... 3k wasted, 2k miles on new clutch pack from ssp and 6 months downtime and it came back...... hopefully audi covers it im out of warranty also.


    Also the fluid temp doesn't seem to be over parameters, when I tried to hook up my friends ross tech it would let us check measuring blocks anyone know why ??? Should I keep driving it and if it goes into limp mode turn it off then keep driving .



    1 Fault Found

    8040 - Torque restriction due to clutch temperature

    P17D8 00 [036]







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    Quote Originally Posted by InFaMoUs_81 View Post
    I just got same thing last year after launching the car and replaced the whole clutch pack because got clutch overheat code but didn't know it was because this TSB or circuit board / Temp sensor gone bad.... 3k wasted, 2k miles on new clutch pack from ssp and 6 months downtime and it came back...... hopefully audi covers it im out of warranty also.


    Also the fluid temp doesn't seem to be over parameters, when I tried to hook up my friends ross tech it would let us check measuring blocks anyone know why ??? Should I keep driving it and if it goes into limp mode turn it off then keep driving .



    1 Fault Found

    8040 - Torque restriction due to clutch temperature

    P17D8 00 [036]







    I had exactly the same, it was the mech unit. Got my unit refurbished and it's all good now.
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    ECS sells a mechatronics repair kit: https://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B8_S4...ion/ES2697203/
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    Quote Originally Posted by skiptowncat View Post
    I had exactly the same, it was the mech unit. Got my unit refurbished and it's all good now.
    How much total cost and how many miles since ? I wish I googled the code before hand vs spending 3k + for ssp 600 tq rated clutch pack that my car will never get close to...

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    Flash the car back to stock and drive it and see if you get the error again. If you do, take it back in and tell Audi something is still broken. You only have so much time after a repair like this where you can argue that they fucked up on something. All you're doing is wasting time trying to diagnose this shit yourself and you will end up paying for it if you're not quick on this. Flash back to stock and see if you keep getting the error. The mech unit is what will drive the clamping force on the trans, so if that is truly what's going out, you will wear out the current clutch discs you put in, etc.

    Also, this TSB is for the Drive Range Sensor.... not what you are experiencing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwankP3RF3ct10n View Post
    Flash the car back to stock and drive it and see if you get the error again. If you do, take it back in and tell Audi something is still broken. You only have so much time after a repair like this where you can argue that they fucked up on something. All you're doing is wasting time trying to diagnose this shit yourself and you will end up paying for it if you're not quick on this. Flash back to stock and see if you keep getting the error. The mech unit is what will drive the clamping force on the trans, so if that is truly what's going out, you will wear out the current clutch discs you put in, etc.

    Also, this TSB is for the Drive Range Sensor.... not what you are experiencing.
    I'm not cpo and probably already TD1 in system. so should I still flash back ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by InFaMoUs_81 View Post
    I'm not cpo and probably already TD1 in system. so should I still flash back ?

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    Flashing back to stock isn't about warranty concerns at the moment. It's about two things... one, ANY NEW components and work done on the car is covered with a limited warranty of 1 year or 10k miles. The other part of this is that they need to see it doing this with stock tunes, not aftermarket tunes, because it's either a problem with that or most likely a weakness in the stock components made worse by the tunes. So, flash back to stock, see if the problem persists for a day of driving aggressively or whatnot and then take it back and tell them it's been driving like crap ever since you got it back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InFaMoUs_81 View Post
    How much total cost and how many miles since ? I wish I googled the code before hand vs spending 3k + for ssp 600 tq rated clutch pack that my car will never get close to...
    Done a few thousand now, shifts better than it ever did whilst I've owned it.

    There are a few companies over here in the uk that will do it (it's a good time as well due to exchange rate).

    These guys will do it for £1000, they replace the circuit boards and sensors plus anything else that is needed. Comes with 12 month warranty as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiptowncat View Post
    Done a few thousand now, shifts better than it ever did whilst I've owned it.

    There are a few companies over here in the uk that will do it (it's a good time as well due to exchange rate).

    These guys will do it for £1000, they replace the circuit boards and sensors plus anything else that is needed. Comes with 12 month warranty as well

    http://www.valvebodytech.co.uk

    Audi said the code is present and there is a TSB on that stating the additives / minerals of fluid causes circuit coard to wear down and cause a short on clutch temp sensor. $1,800 to fix , take out mechatronic , change circuit board and put back in and new fluid filter im assuming

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    i've got the same code error '' 8030 Cooling Oil Valve P179D 00 [167] - Electrical Malfunction '' I can't see the TSB at the top can anyone re-post it again for me please

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    Link to S-Tronic TSB

    I think it might be this one:

    https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...54213-2278.pdf

    For some reason it's listed under the "Steering" component on NHTSA site but it is for the transmission (2010-2013 S4, S5 and 2013 RS5, S6 and S7).

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    Quote Originally Posted by hysteric View Post
    I think it might be this one:

    https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...54213-2278.pdf

    For some reason it's listed under the "Steering" component on NHTSA site but it is for the transmission (2010-2013 S4, S5 and 2013 RS5, S6 and S7).
    https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...63866-7690.pdf

    it's this one actually....

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