2010 S4 has HUGE BUCKING PROBLEM WHEN AT STOP/IN TRAFFIC

[Nuzhuz]

2010 S4 Automatic - my girlfriend and I bought it Yesterday!

This is totally different to and NOT THE the dual clutch Bucking issue when you hit the gas hard and let off (feel like you've been rear ended) -that bucking is a normal issue - this is when I'm at a complete stop!

This is something entirely different. My GF and I went to a BMW dealership (they had a few Audis) in PA yesterday and bought a 2010 w 30k miles - it was gorgeous....everything we wanted in one car after looking and driving them for almost two months. So we bought it. EVEN THOUGH we knew its factory warranty was up, and that buying it was a risk....we made an emotional decision.

When we test drove the car we had no issues, but when my GF drove the car home to Brooklyn after the purchase (after the car had gotten to temp) the car BUCKS when you are coming to a complete stop. It's almost as if I wouldn't want someone to walk in front of my car bc I'm afraid the car might jump out and hit the person. It's like I'm popping the clutch in a M.T. And it's doing it ALL THE TIME...if it was once in a while I could live with it but not every time I get the car to operating temperature!

Also when I put the car in gear,...say from Neutral to Drive....it jerks really hard EVERY TIME....did I buy a car with a Transmission / clutch problem? Should I / CAN I bring this car back to the dealer? Is this problem fixable?

Guys, this is not something I,...or anyone for that matter, could live with. My girlfriend and I have scoured the web for answers...and by the look of things...this is going to be a huge expense to chase this problem down....the amount of unsuccessful attempts at fixing similar issues is really scary.

Here are all of the things people with similar issues have thought this might be:

1. Someone used regular unleaded gas in the engine - and subsequently the engine is missing
2. Coil packs have burned out and are mis-firing, possibly as a result of #1
3. Transmission/clutch issue that Audi refuses to own up to
4. Some have said that the car "learns" your driving style ...so if I'm driving the car hard after grandma putt-putted around,...the car could be confused and maybe need to reset something
5. Some have said they reset the ECU
6. Changed the Mass Air-Flow Sensor
7. One guy said he changed out his Trans Oil and it cleared up some of his problems

But most people have said the problem persists

So my question is....am I responsible for this problem just because I drove the car off the lot? Is there any recourse if the dealership doesn't want to help me?

Secondly, and better yet,...is this even fixable? You know I told my GF tonight..."it's a problem on a car...therefore it's fixable...." but now I'm beginning to think it would be easier just to get another car....if this was something simple I would LOVE to keep her...like I said this car is PERFECT and feels like new otherwise.

Third...has anyone heard of how to fix this? PLEASE HELP! We think we just blew 40k!

-First time poster...thanks for any help...and sorry if I sound desperate...my GF has been literally crying for the past 4 hours over this...

[Nuzhuz]

BTW this is NOT the same bucking as this guy:

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ing%2C+Traffic

It's like I'm at <1k rpm and just about to stop at a red light!

[SwankPeRFection]

It's the mechatronix unit. Plain as that. You need to IMMEDIATELY return it to the dealership and request they either fix it properly by replacing the bad mech unit in the tranny or buy the car back no questions asked. If the car has no factory warranty, you are now the proud owner of an 8k bill minimum to get this fixed properly at an Audi dealership.

DO NOT LET THIS DEALER SCREW YOU OVER! They knew the car had issues and probably just covered it up. The mech unit doesn't act up when the trans isn't hot for at least 15-30 minutes. A test drive isn't long enough to trigger the drivability problems.

[SwankPeRFection]

Here's a video of the issue. Should be close to this, but remember that it's not limited to this.

http://www.vidup.de/v/5QU7G/

[dave96gt]

If it were me, I'd take the car to an Audi dealer and pay the $180 diagnostic fee (just a guess) and have them determine what's causing the issue. Hopefully it is some sort minor issue, maybe even a "hard ECU reset" would fix it. If it does turn out to be something very expensive to fix, I'd consider trading it back to the dealer you purchased it from for a car still under warranty, probably I'd trade it for a BMW. I think I'd also avoid accusing them of selling you a defective car, and instead express "I've come to decide I prefer the BMW automatic over the S-tronic, I can't get used to the way it shifts". That's all worst case scenario - hopefully it's an inexpensive fix & you can get it fixed & enjoy the car that you wanted all along.

[SwankPeRFection]

No offense, but don't listen to this guy above. If the issue is like in that video and it seems to be from your description, the longer you hold onto the car, the less of a chance you have to not have just wasted 40k. Again, if it was under warranty, it would get fixed. Chances are good the original owner traded the car in because he couldn't afford to get it fixed outside of warranty.

[AudiSoccer123]

Ok it's the mechatronics unit for sure I had the same problem so I brought it to the dealership when it was happening and they replaced it for me just last week! Get it replaced! The 2010 year model had these problems! as soon as I pulled it up and the valet driver put it into drive from neutral the mechanic immediately knew that was the problem and didn't even drive the car he knew it right away so I can tell you that's the problem fort hand

[saxon]

All cars sold in pa have a very short drive train warranty, call them and arrange to have it fixed

[Nuzhuz]

No offense, but don't listen to this guy above. If the issue is like in that video and it seems to be from your description, the longer you hold onto the car, the less of a chance you have to not have just wasted 40k. Again, if it was under warranty, it would get fixed. Chances are good the original owner traded the car in because he couldn't afford to get it fixed outside of warranty.

Well today is business day ONE since purchasing the car

[Nuzhuz]

It's the mechatronix unit. Plain as that. You need to IMMEDIATELY return it to the dealership and request they either fix it properly by replacing the bad mech unit in the tranny or buy the car back no questions asked. If the car has no factory warranty, you are now the proud owner of an 8k bill minimum to get this fixed properly at an Audi dealership.

DO NOT LET THIS DEALER SCREW YOU OVER! They knew the car had issues and probably just covered it up. The mech unit doesn't act up when the trans isn't hot for at least 15-30 minutes. A test drive isn't long enough to trigger the drivability problems.

Thanks SP - you've confirmed that there is something seriously wrong with this vehicle. The BMW dealership that sold it to me gave me a 90 day powertrain warranty - do you think a mech unit would be covered under their warranty??

[Nuzhuz]

Ok it's the mechatronics unit for sure I had the same problem so I brought it to the dealership when it was happening and they replaced it for me just last week! Get it replaced! The 2010 year model had these problems! as soon as I pulled it up and the valet driver put it into drive from neutral the mechanic immediately knew that was the problem and didn't even drive the car he knew it right away so I can tell you that's the problem fort hand

Hey AudiSoccer pls let me know what comes of your fix - did the mech unit fix the problem? Was the bill 8k lol? And was your car bucking/jerking/lurching when in traffic?

[Nuzhuz]

All cars sold in pa have a very sorry drive train warranty, call them and arrange to have it fixed

What do you mean very sorry? Like it's a sorry-ass warranty......or hey sir I'm very sorry your drivetrain is F@*%$!!!???

[Nuzhuz]

Here's a video of the issue. Should be close to this, but remember that it's not limited to this.

http://www.vidup.de/v/5QU7G/

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IT'S DOING - THANKS SO MUCH GUYS!!!!!

BC we might have a solution to this problem....I might actually get laid tonight! Way to help a brother out!

[FatalBert]

Damn BMW dealerships selling broken Audi's.

[saxon]

What do you mean very sorry? Like it's a sorry-ass warranty......or hey sir I'm very sorry your drivetrain is F@*%$!!!???

I meant short, Damn auto correct

[bknewtype]

Damn BMW dealerships selling broken Audi's.

probably on purpose so they can saw bmw is a better car

[KMPRSSD]

please keep us posted what the outcome is....

[PitchS4]

Most 2010s should still be under warranty no? I still got a few months on mine before CPO kicks in.

[gendry]

NuzHuz, follow Swank's advice 100%. Go to the dealer today and demand a new mechtronics unit in writing or the complete refund (I might simply take the refund and not trust a repair at this point, but if you really love the car...). Don't delay going back to the delay because every day makes them less likely to do anything. Also, be quite firm. They may try and convince you its just bad luck and your problem, but don't let them take you for a ride. Get the car back to them ASAP. I would suggest dropping it off there and not taking it back (or at least telling them you won't take the keys back).

Here is hoping you have a somewhat honest dealer here...

[Sukks2bu]

I'm having some similar issues, I find the car very jerky in stop and go traffic. Almost like its shifting into first gear to soon when stoping.
Has anyone had success with just resetting the ecu, and is it possible to walk into a dealership and simply ask them to reset it without any engine warnings?

[SwankPeRFection]

I'm having some similar issues, I find the car very jerky in stop and go traffic. Almost like its shifting into first gear to soon when stoping.
Has anyone had success with just resetting the ecu, and is it possible to walk into a dealership and simply ask them to reset it without any engine warnings?

I don't understand some of you people. You watch the videos, you read the posts with exact examples of what you're experiencing, you drive a DSG S4 that's probably a 2010 and you still live in lala pretend land that "Maybe it's not the mech unit."

Let me put it this way... ALL 2010's have this problem or at least such a large number that eventually a Class Action Lawsuit will take place against Audi for this. Even some early 2011 models have this problem. An ECU reset isn't going to fix this. IT'S A DEFECT!!!! Get your mech units replaced if you're still under warranty and if you're not, still take it to Audi and complain of the problem and indicate there's known TSBs for this exact issue. If they are unwilling to help you because you're out of warranty, indicate that you'll have a talk to your lawyer about beginning a Class Action against Audi for this problem... see if AoA comes off their high horse then. They've had so many lawsuits for bad tranny designs/issues over the years that they're not new to this. 2006 CVTs had problems with their TCMs going bad and so on...

Get the problem fixed correctly and properly. Pretending that "maybe" it's not the same thing is not what you want to be doing.

I'm sorry if some of you are getting your feelings hurt by my posts, but trust me when I say it... My intentions are to get you guys/gals to get your shit fixed quickly before it's too late. If you're already out of warranty, see if AoA is willing to help you out. If you trade in the car to get rid of it, POST THE DAMN VIN so that others don't buy your crap without knowing there's a problem.

[chevelle71]

I also have a 2010 and when I first bought the car was experiencing similar issues. It only tends to behave weird when I've been driving in lots of stop and go traffic. I brought it to the dealer and they did they adaptation. It was night and day difference, barely happens now (1-2 times a month) and I do alot of driving. 25000km in 4 months

[Sukks2bu]

I don't understand some of you people. You watch the videos, you read the posts with exact examples of what you're experiencing, you drive a DSG S4 that's probably a 2010 and you still live in lala pretend land that "Maybe it's not the mech unit."

Let me put it this way... ALL 2010's have this problem or at least such a large number that eventually a Class Action Lawsuit will take place against Audi for this. Even some early 2011 models have this problem. An ECU reset isn't going to fix this. IT'S A DEFECT!!!! Get your mech units replaced if you're still under warranty and if you're not, still take it to Audi and complain of the problem and indicate there's known TSBs for this exact issue. If they are unwilling to help you because you're out of warranty, indicate that you'll have a talk to your lawyer about beginning a Class Action against Audi for this problem... see if AoA comes off their high horse then. They've had so many lawsuits for bad tranny designs/issues over the years that they're not new to this. 2006 CVTs had problems with their TCMs going bad and so on...

Get the problem fixed correctly and properly. Pretending that "maybe" it's not the same thing is not what you want to be doing.

I'm sorry if some of you are getting your feelings hurt by my posts, but trust me when I say it... My intentions are to get you guys/gals to get your shit fixed quickly before it's too late. If you're already out of warranty, see if AoA is willing to help you out. If you trade in the car to get rid of it, POST THE DAMN VIN so that others don't buy your crap without knowing there's a problem.

Holy shit man, take it easy. I can appreciate that you want all of us to fix our shit before its too late, but there are some of us who are new to the audi experience, and don't want to believe there is something wrong with the $40,000.00 car we just bought. Also, for all we know, this problem may be considered " normal" to an extent. Hard to tell when you've only had your car for a week, and are still learning its behavior.
If you really want to be helpful, a link to the tsb for this would be awesome.
But I'll search on my own.

[Nuzhuz]

please keep us posted what the outcome is....

Yeah man...thanks....I called my local Audi dealer's service dept and they started by telling me that it's a driving habits thing - I asked him about the mechatronics unit and he said that never goes out - anyway - I gave him the VIN and told him to look hard and see if I have any scheduled service left and this is what he told me:

First of all, he says, you have 33k mile and 45k mile maintenance Free of Charge coming up as part of the car's old warranty...

Secondly, he said "THE PREVIOUS OWNER BOUGHT THE EXTENDED WARRANTY PACKAGE - AND AS FAR AS I KNOW THE WARRANTY IS TRANSFERABLE -he said it might cost me a couple hundred to get it done but the previous owner has to sign it over....So at this point I'm like "BMW will be thrilled to hear this and they will do everything they can to accomodate me..."

So I call BMW salesman and tell him first about the problem - before I say anything about the warranty he says "whatever it is man....we're gonna get it solved..."

So THAT was good to hear...so at this point I tell him I have good news...and I tell him that all we need is the prev owner to sign off yada yada....he pulls up the prev owner's info and the salesman that worked with him said he is local...and was very confident he would have no problems signing over the warranty (said he was a "great guy")

Needless to say...when I told my gf this she nearly creamed herself....(sorry if that was explicit - I looked for a better word and couldn't find one)

Does any of this sound correct? What form do I need to transfer this extended (100k, 6 yr warranty) warranty?

This feels too good to be true.....will the ext warranty cover my issues?

Thanks guys - seriously I'm going to be a lifetime user of this forum - you guys have been great!

Matthew Gibson

[Nuzhuz]

I'm having some similar issues, I find the car very jerky in stop and go traffic. Almost like its shifting into first gear to soon when stoping.
Has anyone had success with just resetting the ecu, and is it possible to walk into a dealership and simply ask them to reset it without any engine warnings?

Hey dude read my last post Audi told me same thing ---RESET THE ECU ---I don't buy it

[Nuzhuz]

I'm having some similar issues, I find the car very jerky in stop and go traffic. Almost like its shifting into first gear to soon when stoping.
Has anyone had success with just resetting the ecu, and is it possible to walk into a dealership and simply ask them to reset it without any engine warnings?

hey dude this is EXACTLY what we are talking about here - msg me and I'll give you my # so we can talk it over to compare stories

[SwankPeRFection]

Holy shit man, take it easy. I can appreciate that you want all of us to fix our shit before its too late, but there are some of us who are new to the audi experience, and don't want to believe there is something wrong with the $40,000.00 car we just bought. Also, for all we know, this problem may be considered " normal" to an extent. Hard to tell when you've only had your car for a week, and are still learning its behavior.
If you really want to be helpful, a link to the tsb for this would be awesome.
But I'll search on my own.

It's not new and it's not normal. Your problem (if you have it) and the OP's problem is what I said it is. It's a well known fact that dealership will try and get out of having to replace the mech unit so that Audi doesn't have to foot the bill for it and extend your issue just long enough to get out of warranty. A video has been posted with the problem, people all over this forum have reported similar issues with 2010 and early 2011 (heck, even some sporadic reports of newer year DSGs have been seen) and they all ended up with mech replacements and/or complete transmission replacement because of the damage the bad mech did because the owner didn't immediately deal with the issue. This is where my haste is coming from. You just spend 40k on a car that has a very good chance that will cost you 8-15k our of pocket to fix your trans if you don't immediately deal with it (i.e. return it to the dealer or get that dealer to replace the mech in it immediately before your window of opportunity is over).

In the end, do what you want and believe what you want, but it's not going to change the truth... you'll have a paperweight before long and you'll wish you had listened.

[SwankPeRFection]

Yeah man...thanks....I called my local Audi dealer's service dept and they started by telling me that it's a driving habits thing - I asked him about the mechatronics unit and he said that never goes out - anyway - I gave him the VIN and told him to look hard and see if I have any scheduled service left and this is what he told me:

First of all, he says, you have 33k mile and 45k mile maintenance Free of Charge coming up as part of the car's old warranty...

Secondly, he said "THE PREVIOUS OWNER BOUGHT THE EXTENDED WARRANTY PACKAGE - AND AS FAR AS I KNOW THE WARRANTY IS TRANSFERABLE -he said it might cost me a couple hundred to get it done but the previous owner has to sign it over....So at this point I'm like "BMW will be thrilled to hear this and they will do everything they can to accomodate me..."

So I call BMW salesman and tell him first about the problem - before I say anything about the warranty he says "whatever it is man....we're gonna get it solved..."

So THAT was good to hear...so at this point I tell him I have good news...and I tell him that all we need is the prev owner to sign off yada yada....he pulls up the prev owner's info and the salesman that worked with him said he is local...and was very confident he would have no problems signing over the warranty (said he was a "great guy")

Needless to say...when I told my gf this she nearly creamed herself....(sorry if that was explicit - I looked for a better word and couldn't find one)

Does any of this sound correct? What form do I need to transfer this extended (100k, 6 yr warranty) warranty?

This feels too good to be true.....will the ext warranty cover my issues?

Thanks guys - seriously I'm going to be a lifetime user of this forum - you guys have been great!

Matthew Gibson

http://www.audiusa.com/content/dam/a...n_AUG-2011.pdf

[Nuzhuz]

http://www.audiusa.com/content/dam/a...n_aug-2011.pdf

thanks so much!

[dreaddontdie]

BC we might have a solution to this problem....I might actually get laid tonight! Way to help a brother out!

Needless to say...when I told my gf this she nearly creamed herself....(sorry if that was explicit - I looked for a better word and couldn't find one)

LOL...hilarious.

[Nuzhuz]

LOL...hilarious.

Yeah...I'm pretty hilarious....I just hope she doesn't get on here and read my comments...then I'm DEF not gonna get any action tonight...you know a big part of the reason for getting this car was that she'd be excited for the first few weeks and we'd as a result have what I like to call "new car sex" - but this bucking issue has deprived me of that. I actually made a bet with her last night...NO LIE....she basically said if I get the car fixed....then I get to....well I'll save that one for another time lol!

[gendry]

Maybe the bucking can be helpful in the aforementioned new car sex act?

Yeah...I'm pretty hilarious....I just hope she doesn't get on here and read my comments...then I'm DEF not gonna get any action tonight...you know a big part of the reason for getting this car was that she'd be excited for the first few weeks and we'd as a result have what I like to call "new car sex" - but this bucking issue has deprived me of that. I actually made a bet with her last night...NO LIE....she basically said if I get the car fixed....then I get to....well I'll save that one for another time lol!

[Nuzhuz]

Oh Jesus - now they are saying the warranty may be void because it changed hands through a dealer and wasn't from private individual to private individual

[gendry]

You don't want to be in the middle of a warranty finger pointing contest with an undrivable car requiring a 10k+ repair and every day of discovery/process regarding figuring out the prior warranty is another day for the BMW dealer to leave you hanging. You should be leaving the car with them until its straightened out so you can say you haven't even had the car while it gets taken car of. Really though, the safest bet is to get your money back and find another car. Manuals are nice this time of year ;)

[Nuzhuz]

You don't want to be in the middle of a warranty finger pointing contest with an undrivable car requiring a 10k+ repair and every day of discovery/process regarding figuring out the prior warranty is another day for the BMW dealer to leave you hanging. You should be leaving the car with them until its straightened out so you can say you haven't even had the car while it gets taken car of. Really though, the safest bet is to get your money back and find another car. Manuals are nice this time of year ;)

How do I do that?

So yes,....the extended warranty is not transferrable on a F&*^ing technicality!

My salesman was just like "yeah we are gonna take care of you but technically we don't have to"

To that I said "Well I have a 90 Powertrain warranty - and wouldn't a Trans computer be covered under a powertrain warranty?"

To that he said he would look into it...and he reassured me that he would treat me right on it.

So should I go drop this bastard off in their driveway and lawyer up? Can I even do that?

And then go buy one with a warranty?

[gendry]

Do you have a 90 day warranty or not? Should be written somewhere. Honestly, its probably gonna be difficult and painful, but the "safest" course is to push the dealer hard enough to take this back from you. Your best chance of doing that is to walk in today, ask to see a manager, and hand him the keys and very politely but firmly say their dealer sold you a car with a bad M unit and you know that a reputable dealer like them will take it back and not force you to have to do anything like lawyer up. Be very polite but very firm and ignore all their statements to the fact like "it wasn't this way before it was sold" or "they are under no obligation." Its BS. They may try and do some cheap minor "fix" short of a new M unit and say its fixed and they have no obligation to do anything further. Don't let that fly.

I think if you hand the keys to them and REFUSE to take them back, your statement about lawyering up will seem more threatening. What man hands his S4 keys back to the dealer and leaves? The man who is hiring a !@#$ a lawyer. Just know that the dealer may try and deny the return in what is really a game of chicken.

p.s. I have a 6MT and not familiar with DSGs. My advice is assuming Swank's statements about your M unit are correct.

[SwankPeRFection]

From the tone of the OP, it sounds to me like he might be a bit young and foolish when it comes to things like this. My biggest fear is that the dealers are going to fuck him over and stick him with the car. This is why I keep saying he needs to take it back immediately and not keep holding onto it. The more you keep it in your possession the more you show them that you don't want to give it back to them. Sales guys are just that... they'll tell you anything to get you to not return it. List to what we're trying to tell you. Something isn't right with the car and I'm pretty sure it's your mech unit based on everything you've said, it can't be anything else. Despite how badly you want to keep the car, you need to take it back and request either your money back or your money/trade back and the deal void as far as your concerned. They sold you a defective vehicle and one who's repair bill is about 10k to fix. This is not something you want to deal with... trust me. Find another 2010 or 2011 S4 that's already had this issue fixed and that's CPO'd (buy from an Audi dealer not from another brand or used car lot). That's the only way you're going to maintain any kind of warranty if it's pre certified or whatnot. If all you can afford is an 2010 or 2011 S4 because of the cost, then I'd suggest finding one that's build in late 2011 or save enough to find a 2012 that can be CPO'd by an Audi dealer and sold to you. It's much better peace of mind to have when you're spending this much money. A non-CPO Audi if buying used is like Russian Roulette.

[KMPRSSD]

Yeah...I'm pretty hilarious....I just hope she doesn't get on here and read my comments...then I'm DEF not gonna get any action tonight...you know a big part of the reason for getting this car was that she'd be excited for the first few weeks and we'd as a result have what I like to call "new car sex" - but this bucking issue has deprived me of that. I actually made a bet with her last night...NO LIE....she basically said if I get the car fixed....then I get to....well I'll save that one for another time lol!

Ass play???????


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[KMPRSSD]

Do you have a 90 day warranty or not? Should be written somewhere. Honestly, its probably gonna be difficult and painful, but the "safest" course is to push the dealer hard enough to take this back from you. Your best chance of doing that is to walk in today, ask to see a manager, and hand him the keys and very politely but firmly say their dealer sold you a car with a bad M unit and you know that a reputable dealer like them will take it back and not force you to have to do anything like lawyer up. Be very polite but very firm and ignore all their statements to the fact like "it wasn't this way before it was sold" or "they are under no obligation." Its BS. They may try and do some cheap minor "fix" short of a new M unit and say its fixed and they have no obligation to do anything further. Don't let that fly.

I think if you hand the keys to them and REFUSE to take them back, your statement about lawyering up will seem more threatening. What man hands his S4 keys back to the dealer and leaves? The man who is hiring a !@#$ a lawyer. Just know that the dealer may try and deny the return in what is really a game of chicken.

p.s. I have a 6MT and not familiar with DSGs. My advice is assuming Swank's statements about your M unit are correct.

^^^^^ THIS!!!!!!




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[Sukks2bu]

It's not new and it's not normal. Your problem (if you have it) and the OP's problem is what I said it is. It's a well known fact that dealership will try and get out of having to replace the mech unit so that Audi doesn't have to foot the bill for it and extend your issue just long enough to get out of warranty. A video has been posted with the problem, people all over this forum have reported similar issues with 2010 and early 2011 (heck, even some sporadic reports of newer year DSGs have been seen) and they all ended up with mech replacements and/or complete transmission replacement because of the damage the bad mech did because the owner didn't immediately deal with the issue. This is where my haste is coming from. You just spend 40k on a car that has a very good chance that will cost you 8-15k our of pocket to fix your trans if you don't immediately deal with it (i.e. return it to the dealer or get that dealer to replace the mech in it immediately before your window of opportunity is over).

In the end, do what you want and believe what you want, but it's not going to change the truth... you'll have a paperweight before long and you'll wish you had listened.

I understand that it is a well known fact that these cars had mech issues. I Knew about it before I even bought the car. Most of the time, my car shifts very smooth, and only when I come to a stop do I feel like the car is downshifting early, And only after driving for a while have I felt the occasional clunk when the car shifts gears. not at all like the video.
The problem I'm having is, I don't think I can just walk into a dealership and say" fix this shit "without a shred of proof it's happening. Unless there a recall or a tsb specific to the mech issue, all I can do is collect info and try to recreate the problem so I can show the dealer it's happening, and I'm not just here cause some guy on a forum told me my cars going to be a paper weight if I dot get it fixed now. So if anyone knows of the tsb for this, a link will be much appreciated.

My car is under warranty.