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    DIY: How to swap instrument clusters in cars with Immobilizer

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    DISCLAIMER: These are instructions for replacing an instrument cluster in an Audi that uses the Immobilizer security feature. There is a small chance you can do permanent damage to your cluster if proper procedure is not followed, and finally these instructions and info are not intended for any illegal use.

    Tools required:
    Vag Com
    Vag Can+k software with cable
    Phillips screw driver for removing two screws that hold cluster in

    ***Make sure you have a constant 12v power supply throughout the process, this is very important***


    After 7 years of owning my Audi I finally pulled the trigger on a nicely used instrument cluster from a 2003 RS6. After doing a little research I found that it is possible to properly swap the RS6 cluster into my A6 with the proper tools and information even though I have Immo 3.

    After receiving the donor RS6 cluster I took it apart for a general cleaning and inspecting for any obvious electrical damage that would cause an issue down the line.

    Here are both clusters next to each other for comparison, they are physically the same on the outside which makes fitment a breeze.


    Lens taken off for scratch removal and cleaning



    All cleaned up, this cluster came from a 63k mile RS6


    *Now the next important step is to connect the Vag Commander software with supplied OBD2 cable to your car and connect to instrument cluster
    *After connecting to the cluster choose the Read function at the top right of the screen, wait for the program to cycle and write down the 4 digit login number and make sure
    to label it "original pin" on your paper.

    ***NOTE- make sure to write down the current mileage on your cluster so you can properly change it on the new one.***

    *Next with the ignition off you must remove the original cluster from your car and set it aside, connect the new (or used) donor cluster and re connect to vag commander.
    *Follow the same steps as before and pull the 4 digit login number from the donor cluster, write it down and make sure to label it "donor pin".
    *You can now close out the vag commander program until mileage correction which will be the last step in the process.

    ***A word of advice, I purchased a Vag K+Can handheld unit for pin retrival from Ebay and it turned out that it didn't do the trick. I strongly suggest purchasing or borrowing
    Vag Commander software which can be purchased with a cable for $30-$50, well worth it.***


    *Now with the donor cluster installed, open up vag com and
    (copied from RossTech site)

    [Select]
    [17 - Instruments]

    [Login - 11]
    For the following procedure, use the PIN of the "Donor Pin" which you wrote down earlier.
    4-digit PIN
    Enter zero followed by the 4-digit PIN directly in the Login field. For example, if your PIN is 1234, enter 01234.
    [Do it!]

    *Next select

    [Adaptation - 10]
    Enter 050 in "Channel Number".
    [Read]
    For the following procedure, use the "Original PIN" number you wrote down earlier.
    4-digit PIN
    Enter zero followed by the 4-digit PIN directly in the New Value field. For example, if your PIN is 1234, enter 01234.
    [Test]
    The values may change to "32000", this is normal
    [Save]
    [Done, Go Back]
    [Close Controller, Go Back - 06]
    Switch OFF the ignition and let the car sit for ~1 minute, then switch ON the ignition again.
    Verify that the REPLACEMENT (NEW or USED) instrument cluster now shows the VIN/IMMO-ID of the vehicle now.

    *Now you can match your keys (copied from RossTech site)

    Key Matching

    Prerequisites:
    All keys are either new or were adapted to this car (IMMO-ID) before.
    You can match up to 8 keys.
    While adapting each key, make sure to place the other keys away from the ignition lock (reader coil). The passenger seat is an adequate place.
    Battery voltage at least 12.5 V.

    [Select]
    [17 - Instruments]
    [Meas. Blocks - 08]
    Select Block 022.
    [Go!]
    The value in field 3 must be 1. If value is not 1, the key is not capable of being adapted to Immobilizer.
    You can check each key in this manner.


    Select Block 024.
    [Go!]
    Make sure the shown lock times in field 1, 2 and 3 are 0 (each field represents a time in minutes).
    If the lock times are NOT 0:
    Do NOT switch off the ignition!
    Allow the car to sit for AT LEAST the number of minutes that were indicated by the fields 1-3.
    [Done, Go Back]

    [Login - 11]
    4-digit PIN
    Enter zero followed by the 4-digit PIN. For example, if your PIN is 1234, enter 01234.
    [Do it!]

    [Adaptation - 10]
    Enter 21 in "Channel Number".
    [Read]
    The "Stored Value" is the number of keys currently matched.
    Enter a "new value" corresponding to the total number of keys to be matched, including any existing keys.
    Any old keys are automatically being cleared. All keys, including existing keys, must be matched at the same time.
    [Save]
    [Done, Go Back]
    [Close Controller, Go Back - 06]
    Repeat the following steps until all Keys have been matched:
    Switch Ignition OFF and remove Key.
    Insert the next Key and switch Ignition ON.
    The Immobilizer Warning Light will light up for ~2 seconds, wait until it goes out, indicating that the key has been matched.
    Note: The above steps must be completed within 60 seconds after saving the Adaptation!

    ***If you're having issues, watch the video it helps***


    *At this point you are ready to correct the mileage on the newly installed cluster. Vag commander made this process a breeze.
    *Re connect the Vag Commander cable and start up the program again.
    ***Go into the Instrument Cluster section and hit "read", once the info pops up you MUST save to file because if you brick your cluster there is no way to get it back and
    will need this file to recover the cluster or you'll find yourself using that cluster as an ornament in your living room. Again, this step is very very important***

    *Go into the Instrument Cluster section and click on the odometer (in this case Kilometer) box.
    *Enter the mileage from your original cluster, but converted to Kilometers. To convert MPH->KPH you take your mileage and multiply it by 1.6, for example if your car has
    100,000 miles you would multiply 100000 x 1.6 which equals 160,000 kilometers.


    *Press Change and wait 15-20 seconds.
    *You have now completed the process, but you'll notice the mileage on the cluster still hasn't changed.
    *To get the mileage updated you must either disconnect the battery or the cluster for at least 30 seconds, once you do this everything should be up to date.

    Here's a quick video test.


    Edit: I forgot to mention, if your swapping an RS6 cluster into a V6 Audi you'll want to go into the coding section and change the 8 to a 6, this way the tach can read proper RPM's.
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    So for those w/out immo, same process?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1illA6 View Post
    So for those w/out immo, same process?
    If your car doesn't have immo you can swap pretty much any cluster into it.
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    Sorry if this is off topic, but, since North American B5s didn't have immobilizers you can just swap straight in? What about changing mileages in the cluster? Same process? It was my understanding that it was impossible to change the mileages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fR3ZNO View Post
    Sorry if this is off topic, but, since North American B5s didn't have immobilizers you can just swap straight in? What about changing mileages in the cluster? Same process? It was my understanding that it was impossible to change the mileages.
    Again, cluster swaps on non immo cars are plug and play for the most part. Mileage can be changed with vag commander pretty easily, nothing is impossible.
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    hmm good to know. I have full vagcom along with a HEX-CAN cable so I guess ill have to give it a shot then
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    Quote Originally Posted by fR3ZNO View Post
    hmm good to know. I have full vagcom along with a HEX-CAN cable so I guess ill have to give it a shot then
    VagCom won't change mileage, you'll need Vag Commander to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fR3ZNO View Post
    Sorry if this is off topic, but, since North American B5s didn't have immobilizers you can just swap straight in? What about changing mileages in the cluster? Same process? It was my understanding that it was impossible to change the mileages.
    B5 and C5 clusters ...are a little different. you could theoretically swap them around but depending on cluster version, chassis options, etc many things may not function. The first thing would be the lighting- headlight switch with dimming on dash in the C5, it's on a left of steerign column on the B5, cluster dimming is done via the cluster-stalk I think. A variety of pins/ connections could be different between the two also.
    Non-immo clusters can't be installed in Immo equipped cars (w/o ECU work)- the ECU in the Immo equipped chassis will "look" for the valid key/ cluster relationship to start the car. An "Immo defeated" cluster is changed to always deliver a valid start without the Immo actually working.
    For Immo3 clusters to enable mileage change- you CAN do it with the SKC and VCDS if the cluster has less than 50miles/80km (I think). Otherwise it needs to be in "mode3" or virgin mode.
    I wasn't aware that Vag commander would actually change the mileage- the tools that I know of that accomplished it did it pretty much exclusively with the SKC. But, I had only tried on VW's and Rb4 / A4 clusters and it always failed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rollerton View Post
    B5 and C5 clusters ...are a little different. you could theoretically swap them around but depending on cluster version, chassis options, etc many things may not function. The first thing would be the lighting- headlight switch with dimming on dash in the C5, it's on a left of steerign column on the B5, cluster dimming is done via the cluster-stalk I think. A variety of pins/ connections could be different between the two also.
    Non-immo clusters can't be installed in Immo equipped cars (w/o ECU work)- the ECU in the Immo equipped chassis will "look" for the valid key/ cluster relationship to start the car. An "Immo defeated" cluster is changed to always deliver a valid start without the Immo actually working.
    For Immo3 clusters to enable mileage change- you CAN do it with the SKC and VCDS if the cluster has less than 50miles/80km (I think). Otherwise it needs to be in "mode3" or virgin mode.
    I wasn't aware that Vag commander would actually change the mileage- the tools that I know of that accomplished it did it pretty much exclusively with the SKC. But, I had only tried on VW's and Rb4 / A4 clusters and it always failed.
    I was also skeptical about a $30 chinese program and cable being able to change mileage as well, but it proved me wrong. The RS6 cluster had around 63k miles on it and I changed it to my current 87k without any issues.

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    Awesome cant wait to do this! Where do you get the vag commander if you say the eBay ones don't work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Racin2redline View Post
    Awesome cant wait to do this! Where do you get the vag commander if you say the eBay ones don't work?
    What didn't work for me was the handheld unit like this


    Vag Commander on the other hand is software that you install on your computer and connect through the OBD2 like you would VagCom, and that software looks like this
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    Very nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by A62TURBO View Post
    What didn't work for me was the handheld unit like this
    That's the EXACT same unit that bricked my A4 / Rb4 cluster several years ago. I stopped by a shop that has said they could read the SKC because they had "all the tools you need". The guy Plugged it in and hit "read" or something, and about 2 seconds later the cluster went "click!" and shut off, I cycled the key and the cluster was wrecked.
    ONLY time in my whole life I have ever let someone else touch my car and it cost them $1k for a new cluster from the dealer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rollerton View Post
    That's the EXACT same unit that bricked my A4 / Rb4 cluster several years ago. I stopped by a shop that has said they could read the SKC because they had "all the tools you need". The guy Plugged it in and hit "read" or something, and about 2 seconds later the cluster went "click!" and shut off, I cycled the key and the cluster was wrecked.
    ONLY time in my whole life I have ever let someone else touch my car and it cost them $1k for a new cluster from the dealer.
    That sux, hopefully I can return this one and get my money back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rollerton View Post
    B5 and C5 clusters ...are a little different. you could theoretically swap them around but depending on cluster version, chassis options, etc many things may not function. The first thing would be the lighting- headlight switch with dimming on dash in the C5, it's on a left of steerign column on the B5, cluster dimming is done via the cluster-stalk I think. A variety of pins/ connections could be different between the two also.
    Non-immo clusters can't be installed in Immo equipped cars (w/o ECU work)- the ECU in the Immo equipped chassis will "look" for the valid key/ cluster relationship to start the car. An "Immo defeated" cluster is changed to always deliver a valid start without the Immo actually working.
    For Immo3 clusters to enable mileage change- you CAN do it with the SKC and VCDS if the cluster has less than 50miles/80km (I think). Otherwise it needs to be in "mode3" or virgin mode.
    I wasn't aware that Vag commander would actually change the mileage- the tools that I know of that accomplished it did it pretty much exclusively with the SKC. But, I had only tried on VW's and Rb4 / A4 clusters and it always failed.
    I was asking about B5 to B5 swaps. Like an S4 cluster into an A4. My biggest concern would be being able to correct the mileage on the swapped cluster. Do you know how to put the cluster into "virgin mode"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fR3ZNO View Post
    I was asking about B5 to B5 swaps. Like an S4 cluster into an A4. My biggest concern would be being able to correct the mileage on the swapped cluster. Do you know how to put the cluster into "virgin mode"?
    B5 to B5 is fine, mileage can be corrected easily with vag commander. There is no need for "virgin mode".
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    Quote Originally Posted by A4edwin View Post
    Respect for keeping your mileage Greg.
    lol even if I wanted to make it lower I would have an issue with my next inspection.
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    Is any of this needed if the Immobilizer is defeated in the ECU?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveKen View Post
    Is any of this needed if the Immobilizer is defeated in the ECU?
    In defeated do you mean disabled? I'm pretty sure once you disable it in the ECU any cluster will work. I thought about disabling it too but didn't want to take any chances with theft.
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    Awesome write up. 455 miles till empty? I know that number changes as you drive but I don't think I have ever seen mine that high after a fill up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveKen View Post
    Is any of this needed if the Immobilizer is defeated in the ECU?
    No, but you'll have a flashing KEY icon on the dash that gets quite old. The car will run though.

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    It's also worth noting I've posted all the software on nefmoto, and that it works with the VCDS interface. There really is no reason to buy anything to do this

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddillenger View Post
    It's also worth noting I've posted all the software on nefmoto, and that it works with the VCDS interface. There really is no reason to buy anything to do this
    I wish I knew this earlier lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by ddillenger View Post
    It's also worth noting I've posted all the software on nefmoto, and that it works with the VCDS interface. There really is no reason to buy anything to do this
    So there's no need to buy the vag commander thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fR3ZNO View Post
    So there's no need to buy the vag commander thing?
    Not if you have an FTDI based cable (all real VCDS are FTDI, many clones as well).

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    Okay cool!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fR3ZNO View Post
    Okay cool!
    I dunno where in CNY you are, I'm near cooperstown if you need a hand

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    DIY: How to swap instrument clusters in cars with Immobilizer

    So basically you can use vag commander 1.4 ???? (original version ) which is usually the Chinese version on eBay, for at least this platform. If assume it won't work on newer cars hence the reason they update it. I went on there actual website and they claim the eBay versions don't work ( clearly they do) I'm just trying to figure out what version we need

    The real vag commander current version is 15.0 but that is also 100x the price literally
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    Quote Originally Posted by ddillenger View Post
    I dunno where in CNY you are, I'm near cooperstown if you need a hand
    Thanks! I'm in Utica. A cluster swap is more of an idea for a future mod. Only because part of the rev counter likes to flicker on and off at times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ddillenger View Post
    Not if you have an FTDI based cable (all real VCDS are FTDI, many clones as well).
    Vag commander doesn't work through my KII- USB Ross Tech cable...it DOES work through the hex-can cable though. I bought a cheap ebay 'vag com' Kkl cable to run it.
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    Bringing this back almost a year later.

    Right now, I'm trying to sync a new key to the immobilizer on my B5.5 Passat. Process is similar as this DIY, most important thing is that I need to use Vag Commander to find the SKC Login so I can do the rest of the process through VCDS.

    Does Vag Commander run on XP only? Tried running a few copies I found on a torrent and it wouldn't do anything. I was running it on a windows 7 machine.

    Otherwise, I also found the software ddillinger posted on Nefmoto. Still need to try using them. Probably will still require XP.
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    I'm pretty sure you need XP, wow I can't believe I did this almost a year ago.
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    I used "VAG EEPROM Programmer" on mine, works fine in Windows 7.

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    Time flies, doesn't it? I guess I'll have to load a virtual machine onto my laptop, but I think I have one laying around that has XP on it still.

    The EEPROM programmer, was this free? Where'd you get it?
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    I'm actually not sure if it's paid software or not, I never actually looked... So I'm not going to post a link just in case, but it shouldn't be hard to find with a google search.
    I just came across it while looking for win7 compatible VAG programs.

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    Okay, I just tried to get the software to work on XP Laptop, and got frustrated; called it a night. Anywho, does anyone have any pointers on installing VAG Commander 1.4, 2.5, 3.6? I first tried using the Ross Tech cable in "dumb mode" and installing the drivers for it using VCDS. Tried it with Vag Commander 1.4, 2.5 and 3.6. Didn't work, then I tried using the drivers that I found in the version 1.4 drivers folder. Still didn't work. OP, I think you used the CD to install, so that maybe why I'm having trouble.

    ddillinger, any help on installing the software that was posted on NefMoto? I feel super special for asking this kind of question, but I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.
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    What problem did you have specifically? And which program / software combo are you trying to run? The success of this seems to vary widely based on the many versions of the software and cables people are using. If your Ross Tech cable is a KII-USB then vag-commaner usually wont run through it. It should run through their hex-can in dumb mode.

    Also, I don't know if the rs6 cluster is Immo2 or what, because..in my experience you can't change the mileage on any Immo3 cluster after it logs more than 50 miles. Haven't tried in so long that maybe I've forgotten? Or maybe some version of Vag-commander lets you do it somehow. VW (Bosch?) clusters you could, but not Audi /Magnetti Marelli.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rollerton View Post
    What problem did you have specifically? And which program / software combo are you trying to run? The success of this seems to vary widely based on the many versions of the software and cables people are using. If your Ross Tech cable is a KII-USB then vag-commaner usually wont run through it. It should run through their hex-can in dumb mode.

    Also, I don't know if the rs6 cluster is Immo2 or what, because..in my experience you can't change the mileage on any Immo3 cluster after it logs more than 50 miles. Haven't tried in so long that maybe I've forgotten? Or maybe some version of Vag-commander lets you do it somehow. VW (Bosch?) clusters you could, but not Audi /Magnetti Marelli.
    I tried using the HEX-CAN RossTech Cable in "dumb" mode. I was unsure which drivers to use so I tried each program with both the drivers included in the VAG Can 1.4 folder and the ones that get installed with VCDS.

    When I tried using VAG Commander 1.4, I could open and close a diagnostic channel, but nothing would happen and I couldn't click on any other boxes.

    With VAG Commander, 2.5 and 3.6, when I opened the program I would get a notification that "Device Not Found" and then the program would close.

    Like I said, I tried above with both drivers. Installed VCDS drivers, tried it, uninstalled, and then installed the VAG Commander drivers.

    I think the Passat cluster I am trying to access is Immo II since it is a 2002.

    I did all this on an old Dell Laptop with XP.
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