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    APR K04 S3 Turbo Kit Installed

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    Figured with the popularity of K04 and similar sized turbos that I'd jump on the bandwagon. So here is my experience...

    First of all my car is a 2.0T black/black Quattro with manual 6spd and 86k miles. Completely up to date on maintenance, service, and burns zero oil. Original owner got the car chipped at 8k miles (APR) and I bought it CPO with 39k miles. Just this past weekend I completed the entire Europaparts Timing Belt Kit (got everything they offered), pulled the car apart myself using the DIY in the Tech B7 forum on this site. Great kit for anyone that is interested.

    Then came across a great deal on an APR K04 S3 kit so I figured why not since I'm already APR Stage 2+ and tearing the car apart for the timing belt. Gave serious thought to doing a motor rebuild but for my needs I decided against it. I'm not going to bother with meth injection and custom tuning. I will say the APR kit is awesome as it has EVERYTHING sealed in bags that you need for the install. Simply swap parts, zero guessing or poor fitting pieces. Even new nuts and bolts were included. Everything is very high quality.

    Install Time: One solid weekend to do the turbo and timing belt (albeit I had to take a break to order a tool I didn't have...) I also had every tool set up (#5 triple square....) and car on ramps Friday night so I was ready to start wrenching Saturday morning.

    Prerequisites: This was my first time tackling these sort of jobs on a car so I spent WEEKS reading everything I could at night for a few hours on this site, vwvortex, quattroworld, etc, and pretty much anything with a K04 that google listed. I have done brakes, and other basic stuff on the car as well as a few engine rebuilds on dirt bikes. Unrelated but several years ago I built a 2005 CRF250R motor over the winter with new 2008 cam, 14:5.1 JE Piston, new valves, springs, exhaust, modified carb that only runs on race gas and it SCREAMS. I'm pretty sure the redline is around 13,200 RPMS which isn't bad for a 4stroke. That's pretty much the extent of my mechanical ability.

    Install Difficultly: 6 you need basic knowledge of how to properly remove stuck bolts, mangled fasteners, stuck hoses, etc WITHOUT damaging anything else. Also have a propane torch on hand. I used this to loosen the bolt heads on the crankshaft pulley to help break the surface bond between the bolt head and pulley. One trick I use when taking something complex apart is to take pictures as I go, use a install guide (I used the Stasis K04 install guide), and for each step put the parts in a bag. Label it starting with #1, next one #2, and so on. When you are ready to complete the process, just start with the highest number and work back. Another tip is to have a silver metallic and black Sharpie on hand to mark ANYTHING on the car so you don't forget what goes where. I like to scribble on the bolt head or number it (and the other side) to aid as a visual cue when I reinstall it. Works well to prevent accidentally mixing up banjo bolts on the oil and coolant lines into the block.

    Advice: GET THE CORRECT TOOLS including a torque wrench and STOP if something doesn't seem right. Take a break, grab a beer, just take your time. I realized after installing the turbo and timing belt while installing the injectors that I didn't have a #5 triple square.... Had to take a break for a few days to wait for the bit to come in so I can finish. Car is just sitting in the garage until then.

    Anyways I took plenty of pictures but pretty green in terms of posting pictures online. How do I add these from my Iphone?

    Driving: Only driven it GENTLY without boosting with the K04 installed with stock injectors and APR 2+ tune. I drove it around the block to make sure there weren't any leaks and all fluids were topped off. I understand this is not advised because now the car is running much leaner (more air, no change in fuel supply). Car was definitely more aggressive sounding and slightly louder at idle.

    I'll be updating this after I put the injectors in, carbon clean, and APR tune after breaking in the turbo.


    QUESTIONS:


    1: What is the most recent APR K04 S3 file and which one should I specify? On other sites everyone seemed to be hyping a K04 S3 V 2.1 file that just came out from APR. Is this available yet? I have to drive an hour to get the car tuned so I'd rather not have to go back and forth multiple times. Also I have a full turbo back exhaust and HPFP (APR), AFE filter and Racetech FMIC. I'll be requesting the Stock/91/93/100 files.

    2: I'm also going to clean the intake while it's apart, any tips? I was thinking about using a Dremel with brush wheel attachment and brake cleaner. Has anyone ever polished the intake manifold (area the carbon builds up) with any success? I did this years ago on a two stroke dirt bike (no porting though) and it made a noticeable difference. The bike felt way crisper even when properly jetted.
    Last edited by carguy138; 08-06-2013 at 06:28 PM.

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    Veteran Member Four Rings vce1232000's Avatar
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    Congrats on choosing the KO4.I have the same set up.Great around town and hold its own on the highway.

    Most DY's use a pick and brake cleaner for the carbon cleaning.Just make sure that both valves are closed when scraping and pieces don't fall into combustion chamber.A shop vac and air hose to blow would be great.

    The only problem that I had with car since the tune and upgrade is that Ive been experiencing some fuel cut offs above 4k with WOT.The tune shop has to figure that one out.

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    I just want to suggest the synapse DV. im a new k04 user myself and recently installed it on my s3 k04 car, much smoother more responsive boost, and peak boost of 24ish psi. Youll love the car when its all saidand done, its such a life/car changer. Youll enjoy it even more then b4!

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    Congrats on your the KO4 as well! I just found a slightly used APR KO4 kit and will be installing it this Fall. I wanted to clean my intake before install as well so I would love to see what you end up doing. Pictures please :)

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    Has anyone tried the awe-tuning DV? They say it's good for 750hp.

    http://www.awe-tuning.com/awe-tuning...verter-valve-2
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    Veteran Member Four Rings groundround's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiro1745 View Post
    Has anyone tried the awe-tuning DV? They say it's good for 750hp.

    http://www.awe-tuning.com/awe-tuning...verter-valve-2
    Yes that was the fort dv I had on my car never had any issues with it stg 1 all the way to stg 2+ for a bunch of miles. I am also apr s3 k04 and have been running the newest rev stock do and it is holding up very well.

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    I really like the S3 K04; pretty perfect DD setup in my opinion.
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    Updates?

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    The triple square bit I needed came in this evening. Got the intake manifold lose but something doesn't seem right as it won't come out easily. total of 7 t-30 bolts; 5 on top, 2 bolts and 2 M6 (turned out to be a 10mm) nuts on bottom are all that hold it on right? Everything else (fuel pump off, n80 off, pcv off, all hoses and fittings disconnected.

    Called it for the night and will finish up installing the injectors and cleaning the intake tomorrow. I'll update after.

    Can't wait to drive this thing!

    EDIT: How do I post pictures and which APR tune should I ask for? Is it K04 V 2.1? I would assume the only option for tunes would be for stock down-pipe vs test-pipe file, correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carguy138 View Post
    The triple square bit I needed came in this evening. Got the intake manifold lose but something doesn't seem right as it won't come out easily. total of 7 t-30 bolts; 5 on top, 2 bolts and 2 M6 (turned out to be a 10mm) nuts on bottom are all that hold it on right? Everything else (fuel pump off, n80 off, pcv off, all hoses and fittings disconnected.

    Called it for the night and will finish up installing the injectors and cleaning the intake tomorrow. I'll update after.

    Can't wait to drive this thing!

    EDIT: How do I post pictures and which APR tune should I ask for? Is it K04 V 2.1? I would assume the only option for tunes would be for stock down-pipe vs test-pipe file, correct?
    Not sure about tune as i am highly anti- APR tunes, but pictures you need to set up a photobuck/flicker/etc external picture hosting sight and put the image address in the box of the pictures posting thing( the square icon on the tool bar that looks like it has a tree on it with dots in all 4 corners.... Yes I'm very tech savy and know every technical term for computer operation!)
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    Senior Member Three Rings
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    APR K04 S3 Turbo Kit Installed

    here is the turbo as it came from APR.

    APR K04 S3 turbo

    bumper off and just about to start the timing belt

    timing belt cover off

    all new timing components installed

    last shot with the k03

    turbo out

    k03 turbo

    k04 installed!

    radiator in place

    FMIC back in place

    here is how it sits now. Want to make sure intercooler hoses don't pop off

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    APR K04 S3 Turbo Kit Installed

    Intake manifold is off. Oddly enough the injectors on cylinders 2 and 4 came out with the intake manifold

    cylinder 1

    cylinder 2

    cylinder 3

    Picture of cylinder 4 looks like crap and is all blurry. Tonight I will be cleaning and polishing the intake as well as installing the new injectors.

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    This APR kit is pure beauty. No guessing just pure plug and play one stop shop

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    Update: installed the injectors last night, got everything put together and realized I forgot to put in the flat pieces of metal (air flow straighteners?) back in.... Have to take off the manifold again and reinstall them this weekend.

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    APR K04 S3 Turbo Kit Installed

    Here are a few pictures of the cleaned valves.


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    Nice job bro , i was definetly looking into this kit hopefully everything is cool once you get it all together

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    Senior Member Three Rings
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    Quote Originally Posted by teckk View Post
    Nice job bro , i was definetly looking into this kit hopefully everything is cool once you get it all together
    Thanks. So far I'm just driving it on the stage 2+ tune and it runs perfectly although I have been driving it very easy. Getting the K04 V2.2 fully loaded software in a few hours, I'll report back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carguy138 View Post
    Thanks. So far I'm just driving it on the stage 2+ tune and it runs perfectly although I have been driving it very easy. Getting the K04 V2.2 fully loaded software in a few hours, I'll report back.
    Report back asap bro

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    UPDATE?

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    carguy138, please report back to the forum lol

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    Senior Member Three Rings
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    Quote Originally Posted by pat_do View Post
    carguy138, please report back to the forum lol
    Got the K04 fully loaded ECU yesterday, reset all adaptations and have put about 50 miles on it. ZERO problems and the power is GREAT. I'd describe it as a bit stronger low end than a maxed out K03 BUT that hit isn't just like a spasm; it doesn't stop till 6000 rpms. It's very impressive and I feel like APR underestimated the power. 60mph comes damn quick in 2nd and 80 feels equally as fast in 3rd. Under normal driving it just feels very smooth and gives the car the impression that it's lighter the way it accelerates. The car is much faster now and has an entirely new personality. It's marginally louder, deeper, and gurgles at idle. I am very impressed and completely satisfied. Feels a bit faster than a stock 335xi and actually having top end makes the car way more fun to drive.

    I gave rides to two people that have ridden in it many times at stage 2+. Didn't say a word other than that I just replaced the timing belt. Both were very surprised and asked what the heck I did to the car. Sounded deeper, more substantial, and much faster. For two non car people to make the same observations really says says something.

    I'll have some free time tomorrow to write a longer review but so far I am very pleased. Props to APR!

    PS: Coming from someone who used to race motocross and rode a Yamaha FZ1 for a while, this car is not slow anymore and faster than 98% of cars on the road. When it comes to STOCK cars I wouldn't mess with new V8 mustangs/camaros, vettes, 911's, and the usual big engine expensive German cars (i.e. M5, SL500, RS6, etc.) but pretty much everything else you normally see on the road is fair game in typical USA driving (accelerating on an on ramp, accelerating away from a toll booth, merging, etc.) Autobahn is a different story for obvious reasons.

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    Veteran Member Four Rings vce1232000's Avatar
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    kudo's to yaa.Yes I agree about the muscle car theory..But love to break the hearts of those toyota corolla type s owners...They actual think the S is for sport....lol...Also smoking those honda civic Si's with my avant KO4 out.They cant believe they caught it by a station wagon.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by vce1232000 View Post
    kudo's to yaa.Yes I agree about the muscle car theory..But love to break the hearts of those toyota corolla type s owners...They actual think the S is for sport....lol...Also smoking those honda civic Si's with my avant KO4 out.They cant believe they caught it by a station wagon.....
    Lmao i love a good jdm , euro race your get to hear their cars scream for dear life hoping the driver lets off the gas pedal as you casually cruise away from them

    But as far as your engine setup what kind of clutch and supporting mods are you currently running ?

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    V2.2 software? What is that?

    I have the same s3 k04 and running the apr flash I would not mind checking out the difference between the 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teckk View Post
    Lmao i love a good jdm , euro race your get to hear their cars scream for dear life hoping the driver lets off the gas pedal as you casually cruise away from them

    But as far as your engine setup what kind of clutch and supporting mods are you currently running ?
    Stock 2.0T with a APR KO4,S3 injectors,KO4 tune,APR hpfp,APR test pipe,AWE fmic,On a Tip Transmission...Thinking about doing the new exteme KO4 tune that APR has out.

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    Veteran Member Four Rings groundround's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by vce1232000 View Post
    Stock 2.0T with a APR KO4,S3 injectors,KO4 tune,APR hpfp,APR test pipe,AWE fmic,On a Tip Transmission...Thinking about doing the new exteme KO4 tune that APR has out.

    What does this cost? I have the same supporting mods listed above minus tip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by groundround View Post
    What does this cost? I have the same supporting mods listed above minus tip.
    Used KO4 700.00
    New S3 inj 500.00
    usd tst pipe 100.00
    usd AWE int 500.00
    APR tune upgrd 200.00
    APR hpfp new 800.00

    total 2800.00

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