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    Red face B8.5 A4 allroad project: s-line concept

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    I love Avants...as do many, if not most on this forum. In the last 5 years, I had a blast with two audi hatch-wagens:
    1) A 2008 A3 3.2q (mini-avant!) that I modded heavily and tracked the heck out of:








    2) A C5 allroad 2.7T 6MT with some mild goodies:







    APR Stage-I tune made this car stupidly fast - especially on 100 octane!


    I wanted a combo of the two in my next car; nimbleness of the A3 (which the C5 didn't have), and utility of the original allroad. Additionally, I wanted modern infotainment and decent mileage since I have a separate track car. Absolute power is not a huge priority here, so no K04 or Stage II+ tunes.

    My first choice was to find an 2012 A4 Avant w/ the titanium and s-line packages. I found a few around the country (Seattle and Chicago), but the sellers wanted $45k for cars with $20k+ miles and not-CPO. As cool as the cars are, not worth it to me. A few months later, I started noticing some great looking allroads showing up via google search for "lowered B8 allroads." I now come to find that two of those cars were Alex (from Europrice) and Erwheezy (both active 'zine users). Though their cars look absolutely perfect, I wanted to take a slightly different approach: OEM+ with this question answered: what would it look like if Audi made an S-line B8.5 allroad? I still wanted to be able to drive on rough fireroads and through fresh deepish snow, but wanted to make the car sit with a more aggressive stance while still having comfort and ground clearance.

    My initial plan was to special order a 2014 allroad Prestige in Glacier white on black sport seat/wheel and color matched trim. Magically,
    I found a great 8k mile CPO car at an east-bay Audi dealer for about $10k below MSRP.
    The only thing it had that I wasn't stoked on were the 19" wheels. Here is a virgin pic:



    First mods: Remove front plate. 20% tint on sides/10% in back hatch window. 3M venture shield clear bra. Install 19" Hartmann G5 et45 wheels w/ H&R DRA Spacers: 25mm fr/30mm rear. Effective offsets: et15 rear, et 20 front. Tires: 255/4019 Khumo Ecsta LE Sport (summer)



    Second mod: APR/Carbino intake. I'm not happy w/ the fitment and gaps, even with the metal add-on TSB fix:



    3rd group of mods: oem ring decals, H&R springs in allroad spec (1.4" drop F&R). H9 fog-bulbs in ion-yellow.








    The slanted stance was unexpected, as it wasn't noticeable w/ stock suspension. I am double checking w/ H&R to ensure this is correct. I kind of like it since when the car is loaded up for Tahoe w/ some buds, it'll still ride okay. If anything, I think it can go down 1/3" or so in back.





    Next up:
    1) APR Hi-flow cat and downpipe
    2) hole-less, plate-less grill
    3) LED turn signals bulbs in front
    4) Exhaust (either Milltek or AWE)
    5) Water-meth and or FMIC or BOTH!!! I'm going to avoid software for now. APR doesn't have a tune for this car yet anyway (new aluminum intake manifold is hint that this car has new Siemens ECU software APR has not had a chance to work with yet).
    6) Alu-look S5 mirror housings.

    Let me know your thoughts on this "widebody" A4
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    Looks great, wheels aren't my flavor, but hey all in all, well done!!!
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    B8.5 A4 allroad project: s-line concept

    I like it a lot, including the height. I have your car's twin and I envision a similar drop soon. Currently running 17mm spacers to bring the stock 19's out flush-- a huge improvement in stance I think.

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    B8.5 A4 allroad project: s-line concept

    Quote Originally Posted by SleeperCar View Post
    Looks great, wheels aren't my flavor, but hey all in all, well done!!!
    Thanks! These Lambo looking wheels will eventually become my "winter" set. I want some 19x9.5 or 19x10s soon with 275-85 rubber....

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    B8.5 A4 allroad project: s-line concept

    Quote Originally Posted by Aldo View Post
    I like it a lot, including the height. I have your car's twin and I envision a similar drop soon. Currently running 17mm spacers to bring the stock 19's out flush-- a huge improvement in stance I think.
    I am really digging the H&R springs - OEM ride and still plenty of travel. I'm not hitting the bump stops at all even over hard high speed rolling bumps.

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    i say lose the badges in the rear and keep just the rings.
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    B8.5 A4 allroad project: s-line concept

    Added about 15hp with some APR/Audi decals. Think support vehicle and you get my concept:








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    Great looking All-Road/ Avant. I am not understanding "support vehicle" for bike races? or broken down Audi's? The S-Line Concept is that what "S" means?

    Not hating, just think cleaner would be a bigger statement. The stickers up front are incongruous IMO. Otherwise, the car looks great! You might try the RS4 Avant rear deck spoiler, it looks great on some other AR we have seen here.

    Great work so far!
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    B8.5 A4 allroad project: s-line concept

    Also installed APR HFC and downpipe. Waiting on AWE Allroad spec downpipe back exhaust. I'm not digging the sound. Reminds me of the GM "iron duke" 2.5liter 8v pushrod four banger of the 80s and 90s around 3k rpm under 3/4 load. Removal of a rather large stock downpipe resonator is likely the cause and even though the APR has a resonator, I don't think it's happy w/ the OEM exhausts system. I'm hoping the completion of the exhaust system makes this a non-issue.



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    Sorry on the APR Troy. I wasn't happy with it either, which is why I'm AWE all the way from the HFC back (which is an EC HFC by the way).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander1010 View Post
    Sorry on the APR Troy. I wasn't happy with it either, which is why I'm AWE all the way from the HFC back (which is an EC HFC by the way).
    What's the difference between the HFC/Downpipe section on AWE vs APR? Does the AWE downpipe have a resonator?

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    Quote Originally Posted by A4 Centaur View Post
    Great looking All-Road/ Avant. I am not understanding "support vehicle" for bike races? or broken down Audi's? The S-Line Concept is that what "S" means?

    Not hating, just think cleaner would be a bigger statement. The stickers up front are incongruous IMO. Otherwise, the car looks great! You might try the RS4 Avant rear deck spoiler, it looks great on some other AR we have seen here.

    Great work so far!
    Thanks for the comments. I'm still messing around w/ how the decals will all lay out. I was thinking "support vehicle" as in race support for bikes/cars etc...
    I love the asymmetrical aspect of the front end. In fact, it may be my favorite part. To each their own, right? My A3 3.2 was totally clean and I want to go a different direction on this car. I may even wrap it in 80's Ur-quattro colours. Who knows. Clean might end up winning!!!

    It's my daily and won't modded in an effort to make it the fastest or best handling. Just having fun w/ the bland canvas.
    Your black beauty is awesome! I was hunting for a 2011 or 2012 Prestige/Sline/TiPkg and their was one I missed out on by minutes and one where the guy was asking way too much $45k w/25k miles in Chicago. It's so hard for me not to black out all of the metal trim on my new avant but I'm trying to embrace some of the allroadness.

    The "S" on my A3 and Allroad's plate is my last initial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TroySico View Post
    What's the difference between the HFC/Downpipe section on AWE vs APR? Does the AWE downpipe have a resonator?
    AWE has a resonator too, but it has a better sound and a lower profile under the car. It is also a bolt fit to the Stock or EC HFC, rather than a sleeve fit like APR. Ultimately I just wasn't happy with the APR sound of the Catback, but I'm not 100% sure how much the downpipe added to that. But now with AWE all the way back I am happy.

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    I think it is looking great Tony! The "Quattro" on the tail of your A3 would also look good on the new scheme IMHO.

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    Can you update on how the H&R springs are working with the stock suspension?

    I'm so torn-- between trying to find 2012 OEM S-line suspension or try to lower w/ H&R springs (stock shocks) to get rid of the 4x4 look. I thought about coils, but even the KW 1 looks to lower more than we'd like.

    Thanks!

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    B8.5 A4 allroad project: s-line concept

    Quote Originally Posted by schmedz View Post
    Can you update on how the H&R springs are working with the stock suspension?

    I'm so torn-- between trying to find 2012 OEM S-line suspension or try to lower w/ H&R springs (stock shocks) to get rid of the 4x4 look. I thought about coils, but even the KW 1 looks to lower more than we'd like.

    Thanks!
    I'm loving the H&R springs, even with the stock shocks. Keep in mind I'm not tracking this car. Had a full load with dudes and bikes without issue !!

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    Ready for winter with some Nokian WR-G3 tires in 255/40-19, and new AWE cat back exhaust. No drone and it's helped with the nasty APR downpipe sound...









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    Any sound clip, sir!?

    Car looking lovely!

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    I will have an exhaust sound clip shortly. I've had no time to edit video. Though not intended to be a car I track, I actually took it out to an Audi Club Event at Leguna Seca... She held her own and I was impressed with the new 8sp auto and how she runs on E85!!! Though nothing compared to my A3 or current Z4M Coupe track car, I had a blast! New Vogtland Coilovers were just ordered from @achtuning to improve the ride and add adjustability. I will also be adding the OEM mid pipe silencer back in to refine the exhaust tone a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldo View Post
    I like it a lot, including the height. I have your car's twin and I envision a similar drop soon. Currently running 17mm spacers to bring the stock 19's out flush-- a huge improvement in stance I think.
    I'm selling the H&R allroad spec springs. I went with coilovers to get lower. Make you a killer deal! $200 plus shipping. I'm in Oakland, CA.


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    These OEM gems are going on next week!


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    Looking good...

    Waiting on my tires (265/35/19) to go on my BBS CH-R's (19x9.5) I just picked up. Also debating on H&R springs with the stock shocks or S-line suspension (if I can find one and bite the bullet on the price).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TroySico View Post


    These OEM gems are going on next week!
    Gems indeed!

    BTW, are you bringing this baby out to Legends of the Autobahn?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TroySico View Post


    These OEM gems are going on next week!


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    Quote Originally Posted by QUA77RO View Post
    Gems indeed!

    BTW, are you bringing this baby out to Legends of the Autobahn?
    I am coming with either this car or the Mcoupe.


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    Crappy pic of the new Vogtland A4 avant coilovers installed. MUCH better ride than just the H&R springs for spirited driving. Reminds me of s-line damping in my A3. This is to say, stiff and a tad more brittle.

    Full report next week on 20" RS7 forged wheel install.



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    Quote Originally Posted by TroySico View Post
    I will have an exhaust sound clip shortly. I've had no time to edit video. Though not intended to be a car I track, I actually took it out to an Audi Club Event at Leguna Seca... She held her own and I was impressed with the new 8sp auto and how she runs on E85!!! Though nothing compared to my A3 or current Z4M Coupe track car, I had a blast! New Vogtland Coilovers were just ordered from @achtuning to improve the ride and add adjustability. I will also be adding the OEM mid pipe silencer back in to refine the exhaust tone a bit.
    Car looks great man.im curious tho does it say e85 on ur fuel door? Or u just have the metal intake manifold and decided to run e85?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Boosted_b8.5 View Post
    Car looks great man.im curious tho does it say e85 on ur fuel door? Or u just have the metal intake manifold and decided to run e85?

    It has both the alloy intake plenum and an E85 note on the fuel door!!!


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    Here's a shot your de-allroaded AR next to my Avant at lunch before Laguna Seca. Looking good!
    Really show the difference between Ibis and Glacier...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 13allroad View Post
    How are the vogtlands going? Debating between solo v. ST v. vogtlands
    Vogtlands are nice... Love them. I just tooled around wine country with four passengers and no one complained about the ride. It reminds me of oem sline tuning. Great value.

    I've heard and seen that STs are too low in back. I'd avoid Solo... Aren't they the eBay brand made in Taiwan?


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    Some updated photos from some summer events. She placed first in it's class at Monterey Car weeks "Legends of the Autobahn"


















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    Quote Originally Posted by TroySico View Post


    These OEM gems are going on next week!
    That is a very nice wheel. Can you please post the width and offset? Dare I ask what they cost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TroySico View Post
    Some updated photos from some summer events. She placed first in it's class at Monterey Car weeks "Legends of the Autobahn"


















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    This is one of the best looking allroads I've ever seen... ps where did you get those "lambo style" wheels? I want them so badly for my Allroad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllroadCorbin View Post
    This is one of the best looking allroads I've ever seen... ps where did you get those "lambo style" wheels? I want them so badly for my Allroad!
    The Lamborghini style wheels are Hartmann G5s. 19x8. Et45 so they require spacers.

    They will be for sale soon! IM me if interested....


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    Quote Originally Posted by BrewDude View Post
    Also debating on H&R springs with the stock shocks or S-line suspension (if I can find one and bite the bullet on the price).
    Hey BrewDude, did you ever decide on H&R vs S-line suspension for your ride? I've just picked up my first ever allroad (so excited!) and am weighing the lowering options. I recall hearing good things about a straightforward S-line avant spring swap. Would love your thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohtwo View Post
    Hey BrewDude, did you ever decide on H&R vs S-line suspension for your ride? I've just picked up my first ever allroad (so excited!) and am weighing the lowering options. I recall hearing good things about a straightforward S-line avant spring swap. Would love your thoughts.
    I went with a 2012 S-Line avant suspension as my first lowering option and had zero complaints. Truthfully I could've stayed with it and been very happy, not to mention saved a bundle of cash. It looks great on the allroad in my opinion. It won't "slam" the allroad so if you're looking for that go with a different option. Obviously, going the S-Line route won't give you the ability to customize the ride height like coilovers will.

    The S-Line suspension is a direct bolt on swap. At least for a 2012 S-Line to a 2013 allroad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TroySico View Post
    Vogtlands are nice... Love them. I just tooled around wine country with four passengers and no one complained about the ride. It reminds me of oem sline tuning. Great value.

    I've heard and seen that STs are too low in back. I'd avoid Solo... Aren't they the eBay brand made in Taiwan?




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