600 hp S6 tuned by ABT

[722maa]

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11307256...n-the-s6-avant

[sciblades]

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11307256...n-the-s6-avant

Bigger turbos on our cars will make easy power
But at 2500 a turbo seems pricey to me
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[Vinchenzo51]

Bigger turbos on our cars will make easy power
But at 2500 a turbo seems pricey to me
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Still beats 12k for a supercharger for an RS4 that'll end up making less power. Can't wait to see the aftermarket world dive into this platform.

[OmaHahn]

I know 0-100 km/h is like 0-62 mph but for 600 Horses and all that Torque I would expect faster times. How does the stock B8/S4 with a 333 HP V6 engine do 0-60 in 4.4? I guess apples to apples it would be 0-62, so would that be like 4.5 seconds then. I would think double the HP and torque would get a car more than a half second. I doubt the S6 weighs that much more than the S4 too. But still a very nice car and I can't imagine what that V8 exhaust sounds like! I'll take it!

[ecpChris]

I weighed my s6 @ 4452 lbs with me in it (I'm 210lbs). I believe the s4 is around 3700 lbs

[IanCH]

I know 0-100 km/h is like 0-62 mph but for 600 Horses and all that Torque I would expect faster times. How does the stock B8/S4 with a 333 HP V6 engine do 0-60 in 4.4? I guess apples to apples it would be 0-62, so would that be like 4.5 seconds then. I would think double the HP and torque would get a car more than a half second. I doubt the S6 weighs that much more than the S4 too. But still a very nice car and I can't imagine what that V8 exhaust sounds like! I'll take it!

I don't think you understand diminishing returns...

[LJH]

I have a feeling we will start to see some huge numbers as the tuning for the new motor gets developed.

As far a performance number go you can only get 0-100kph so fast (just look at some of the hypercars these days) but if you look at the 0-200kph this is where you see a BIG difference. A quick google search shows the B8 S4 at 17.5 where as the AS6-R is 12.9.....that is a drastic difference.

Cheers,
Jim

[S7_UAE]

Now thats what i like to see, bigger turbos, cams, intakes
.. whatever the market has.. i come from a world of muscle cars where a built engine and a 4.0L supercharger is considered stock in our streets.. lol...

2500 for this kit is fair enough. Although am not sur about the 0-60, even though its an Avant but could that be late turbo spool?

[AudiA4_20T]

Bigger turbos on our cars will make easy power
But at 2500 a turbo seems pricey to me
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not when you're the first game in town

[sciblades]

Now thats what i like to see, bigger turbos, cams, intakes
.. whatever the market has.. i come from a world of muscle cars where a built engine and a 4.0L supercharger is considered stock in our streets.. lol...

2500 for this kit is fair enough. Although am not sur about the 0-60, even though its an Avant but could that be late turbo spool?

It is 5k for just the turbos, that is before you modify the coolant system to make the turbos work and then a different intake to work with those turbos and then tuning, really with parts and labor not a chance you are getting out for under 15k

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[722maa]

Guys guys... This tune costs 16k euros.

[OEMplus.com]

BIG MONEY AND BIG POWER!

Joe@OEMplus

[sciblades]

Guys guys... This tune costs 16k euros.

So you will take 3?

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[722maa]

So you will take 3?

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Zero thank you.

That's an awful lot of money for something that could be done with way less money.

But remember how we were scared to tune this car cause the s-tronic "couldn't handle more than 550nm torque " lol good old days.
I personally prefer the S6/S7 over the rs variants cause of the gearbox.

[S7_UAE]

Now its complicated, some ppl say the s6/s7 trans can handle +800 and now some are saying it handles 550? And 15k is hell lot for just 600 BHP and not AWHP... lol

And speaking about cooling for turbos, the stock intercoolers are capable of cooling the induction of even a big bigger turbo. Hell the cls63 can swap turbos ans still maintain same cooling system, same thing goes for the f10 M5. As i know few guys that did it over here.

[722maa]

Now its complicated, some ppl say the s6/s7 trans can handle +800 and now some are saying it handles 550? And 15k is hell lot for just 600 BHP and not AWHP... lol

And speaking about cooling for turbos, the stock intercoolers are capable of cooling the induction of even a big bigger turbo. Hell the cls63 can swap turbos ans still maintain same cooling system, same thing goes for the f10 M5. As i know few guys that did it over here.

Bro, you and I should team up since we are from the same place, and work on something groundbreaking for this 4.0tt ( LOL )
But seriously, 16k EUROS is too much, APR with a tune only managed 560hp and it only costs $1500.

I guess we just have to wait and see what the chef comes up with..

[S7_UAE]

Bro, you and I should team up since we are from the same place, and work on something groundbreaking for this 4.0tt ( LOL )
But seriously, 16k EUROS is too much, APR with a tune only managed 560hp and it only costs $1500.

I guess we just have to wait and see what the chef comes up with..

Hahah, yes we should bro.. and i vote for swapping in a GT500 motor in.. cuz with less than 4k we should be doing +700 on the wheel..

[LJH]

Guys guys... This tune costs 16k euros.

MTM....say no more.

Once there are more of these cars out there more folks will start to tinker with them and the prices will come down though I am sure it will never be a cheap motor to tune. Just look what happened with the 2.7l motor.

Cheers,
Jim

[TheChef]

Wanted to add my thoughts...Take it for what its worth, but I think a proper tune, exhaust and airbox will net 600 crank. A tune is getting the 4.0T to 560. AWE is showing 25HP on Exhuast/Downpipes and no one really has an air box to mate to it. I personally would like to see 600...if that happens or not on a Dyno in Texas in Aug will remain to be seen, however...I think its more than doable, especially with the exhaust design we are looking at on my car. I really am not looking to change Turbos and everything else on the car...especially for 600HP. We will see ;)

[S7_UAE]

Wanted to add my thoughts...Take it for what its worth, but I think a proper tune, exhaust and airbox will net 600 crank. A tune is getting the 4.0T to 560. AWE is showing 25HP on Exhuast/Downpipes and no one really has an air box to mate to it. I personally would like to see 600...if that happens or not on a Dyno in Texas in Aug will remain to be seen, however...I think its more than doable, especially with the exhaust design we are looking at on my car. I really am not looking to change Turbos and everything else on the car...especially for 600HP. We will see ;)

Still waiting over here for any update regarding the Exhaust system that's being made. August is just around the corner so please make it Early august and not Late August.

[TheChef]

Like anything "new" its taking some time and things change daily. What originally was to be ordering the piping in "pieces" to be welded on site is turing into, take the jig, make a T304 Stainless version and send off to an aerospace company to be laser scanned and made there. Currently, the stainless version is being made to be sent out, which then needs to be scanned, made and returned. Obviously it wont be next week. I want to make sure its done right - not quickly - when its all said and done I think later Aug looks like a better bet.

[sciblades]

Wanted to add my thoughts...Take it for what its worth, but I think a proper tune, exhaust and airbox will net 600 crank. A tune is getting the 4.0T to 560. AWE is showing 25HP on Exhuast/Downpipes and no one really has an air box to mate to it. I personally would like to see 600...if that happens or not on a Dyno in Texas in Aug will remain to be seen, however...I think its more than doable, especially with the exhaust design we are looking at on my car. I really am not looking to change Turbos and everything else on the car...especially for 600HP. We will see ;)

I think with an intake exhaust and down pipes you will be able to have around 530ish whp I made 483whp on the last dyno (dyno pack). Our exhausts are not made poorly but the downpipes have a lot of flow restrictions.

I really don't think any one is going to do the turbo swaps because the lack of support if they do the swap, most companies won't put in r&d because of lack of interest but the s8 turbos make great power, the s8 engine (I know it is different and no transmission limiters) has done 11.2 in Europe with just a tune

From a personal opinion stand point I was going to do the s8 turbo swap bit after being at stage 1 I am most likely going to stay put once I go full stage II, the power from stage two will be plenty. That is to say if I get a great deal on turbos due to finding a crashed s8 I wouldn't rule it out but our cars make great power before turbo swaps and we are really just scraping the surface of the power these engines can make.




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[sciblades]

Like anything "new" its taking some time and things change daily. What originally was to be ordering the piping in "pieces" to be welded on site is turing into, take the jig, make a T304 Stainless version and send off to an aerospace company to be laser scanned and made there. Currently, the stainless version is being made to be sent out, which then needs to be scanned, made and returned. Obviously it wont be next week. I want to make sure its done right - not quickly - when its all said and done I think later Aug looks like a better bet.

Glad to see you are doing it right, good things take time.

Excited to see how this turns out!

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[OmaHahn]

I don't think you understand diminishing returns...

diminishing returns
pl n Economics
1. (Economics) progressively smaller rises in output resulting from the increased application of a variable input, such as labour, to a fixed quantity, as of capital or land

2. (Economics) the increase in the average cost of production that may arise beyond a certain point as a result of increasing the overall scale of production

Guess I'm still at a loss?? What's this have to do with the post?

[Pip]

diminishing returns
pl n Economics
1. (Economics) progressively smaller rises in output resulting from the increased application of a variable input, such as labour, to a fixed quantity, as of capital or land

2. (Economics) the increase in the average cost of production that may arise beyond a certain point as a result of increasing the overall scale of production

Guess I'm still at a loss?? What's this have to do with the post?

Higher horsepower does not linearly translate into lower 0-60 times ... due to drag at those speeds ...
It needs a lot more HP to bring down 4.0s to 3.5s than 4.5s to 4.0s