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    I figured I'd post this info here for people coming to hawaii and not sure if their car will pass or inform them that that Hawaii does have RECON laws. Add any addtional info on RECON if you've had an experience. This info might be ancient but the basics.

    recon # 733-2542

    the recon fee is $15, exact change! no credit cards

    M-F by APPOINTMENT ONLY

    alignment --you need an alignment printout, dated within 30 days of recon appt. and must be within manufacturers' specs.

    yes, they will test your tint (BE LEGAL 35% +/- 6% )
    tint on windshield--illegal
    SUVs, trucks, vans, can have as dark tint as they want rearward of the driver's and passenger's front side windows, as long as it is NOT opaque

    affidavits for rims and exhaust no longer required

    recon required for rim sized 1-1/2" over stock.

    body kits are not a recon item
    spoilers are not a recon item
    no recon required for EXHAUST ONLY
    battery must be secured
    air intake must be secured
    timing gears must be covered

    the decal plates for safety check stickers and recon stickers are illegal if mounted on or attached to the license plate

    no clear-corner lenses, blue lights, or license plate covers allowed

    Do I need to get recon for a turbo/supercharger?
    No. Whether it comes as a kit or you put it together yourself, you can legally put a turbo/supercharger on your car and DO NOT have to get recon. However if you have to get recon for one of the reasons below, just make a note of the turbo/supercharger.

    Are engine swaps legal, and do I need to get recon for it?
    That depends. Yes engine swaps are legal, but that does not necessessarily mean you have to get recon. If the engine you are swapping in has the same number of cylinders as the one it is replacing, recon is NOT required. It doesn't matter if the engine you are swapping in is turbocharged. For instance, you want to swap a SR20DET into your 240sx. This does not require recon. However, if you want to swap a RB26DETT into your 240sx, you WILL need recon.

    Can I put on rims bigger than 1.5" compared with stock?
    Yes, but you will have to get recon. You can go as big as you want to, but the wheels have to be able to turn and not rub the fenders or wheel well when turned.

    Do I have to get recon for my headers/exhaust/intake?
    No. These are not recon items. And even if you did, any intake/exhaust will likely pass as long as the exhaust isn't too loud (they don't have any DB meters down there, they just listen to it). If your car is fitted with a catalytic converter, you will still need a cat, but you can use an aftermarket high flow type and still not need recon.

    Can body kits/panels/hoods be installed?
    Yes, and you don't need recon. One caveat here though, if your fiberglass/carbon fiber hood does not have provisions for windshield washer nozzels and you don't put them in, you would not pass safety, let alone recon.

    Are coilovers/lowering springs legal?
    That depends. Any time you have suspension work done to your car, you will have to get recon. You will need to have an alignment done within 30 days prior to your recon inspection. Make sure you bring a copy of the alignment sheet with you. Your suspension must be able to be aligned within stock specifications. Your car will also be subjected to a "bounce test" to check for adequate suspension travel. They typically test this at a front corner by pushing down on the bumper. You need to have VISIBLE (not necessarily 2 inches) of suspension travel. If your springs are too stiff, you will likely not pass.

    Are headlight/tail light swaps/conversions legal?
    Yes, as long as it says DOT on them. Simply doing a headlight/tail light swap does not require you to get recon. If you modify the donor headlight, then it is no longer DOT legal. Aftermarket HID's are also legal, though you may need recon for this. They have a light meter to make sure it's not too bright.

    Are clear corner lights legal?
    No. The lights MUST have an orange reflector at the front corners and corresponding red reflectors at the rear. This is a FEDERAL LAW. Simply putting in an orange bulb DOES NOT make it legal. Most of these aftermarket lights do not have DOT on them, and therefore would not pass anyway. If you modify a DOT corner light by taking the orange reflector out, it is NO LONGER DOT legal.

    Can I run nitrous?
    No, and it can't be made legal by going through recon. If you did have to get recon for suspension mods, and they happened to find a nitrous line or bottle, you will fail.

    Can I change my car from front wheel drive to rear wheel drive?
    Yes, but you will need to go through recon as this will require modification of the vehicle's suspension. If you did a hack job with the conversion and the inspector deems your car unsafe, then you won't pass.

    If there's a version of the car with a different drivetrain, can I use it?
    Yes. If the car came from the factory with the option of a manual or automatic transmission, you can swap one for the other without getting recon. You could also do a 4 wheel drive conversion on your 2 wheel drive truck if there was a 4 wheel drive version of your truck from the factory, provided the parts bolt in without requiring custom fabrication. If custom suspension mounts need to be made, or you use aftermarket suspension components, then you need recon.

    Are intake manifolds/cams, pistons, etc legal?
    Yes, and you don't need recon. There's no smog testing in Hawaii, so you don't need an affadavit showing that the part is 50 state legal. But be aware that if it says "off road use only" on any of the parts, and the inspector sees it, you will likely not pass recon even if you were trying to get it for something else.

    Do I need an affadavit for all of my modifications?
    No. Affadavits are no longer required.

    Is there a headlight/liscense plate height requirement?
    Yes. Headlights must be at least 22" off the ground to the center of the headlight housings. You must have a front liscense plate which must be at least 12" off the ground.

    Do I have to get a recon inspection every year?
    No. It's a one time only thing UNLESS you mod your car again. If you do, then you need to get another inspection. If you return your car to stock again, you no longer need the recon sticker.

    If a cop pulls me over saying I need to get recon even though I don't have any recon items on my car, what happens?
    If you got pulled over for a non recon item, you can contest the ticket in court and you will win. Kevin says many of the cops don't have a good handle on the recon law themselves. Keep in mind though, if you already have recon and do another mod to your car that requires recon, then you need to get another recon inspection. If the cop nails you on something you just installed, then you're SOL.

    Hopefully this will clear up a lot of the BS that has been floating around. If anyone has any questions about a modification, it is in your best interest to call the recon office (733-2542) and speak to an inspector BEFORE you spend the time and money. As you can see, you can do a lot of mods to your car and not need recon. But if your mod requires it, make sure your mod will be able to pass by reading the thread.

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    about to order some coilovers for my A3 and figured I'd get Recon and be ligit on it, took me a while to find this crap but it definitely narrows it all down.

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    It's worth getting, if you can pass. I've heard it's been easier to get it, lately. Don't have to worry about tickets and you can get a safety from anywhere. Not getting it is just another reason to get hassled by the police.

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    Yup. If you can pass, it will be worth it.

    When you see cops in your rear view mirror, you can be straight chillin.
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    I thought rims can be 2 inches bigger in diameter than factory wheels w/o recon?

    Thanks for the info Rob. I'll sticky this thread to the top.
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    Are clear corner lights legal?
    No. The lights MUST have an orange reflector at the front corners and corresponding red reflectors at the rear. This is a FEDERAL LAW. Simply putting in an orange bulb DOES NOT make it legal. Most of these aftermarket lights do not have DOT on them, and therefore would not pass anyway. If you modify a DOT corner light by taking the orange reflector out, it is NO LONGER DOT legal.

    This right here is not even legal then on brand new cars. Look at the 2014 Mustang stock tail lights.
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    Some cars have the amber/red reflector on the bumpers (or fender for the front) rather than in the headlights/taillights. Once you replace that reflector on the bumper with a clear or smoke cover, the same rule applies.
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    I think their talking about the headlights for the corner lights? cuz I looked at my aftermarket headlights and there's no orange on it. And my factory one's were accidentally tossed :( damn I really need recon for my A4, don't think that'll ever happen.

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    They are, but some cars don't have amber reflectors in the headlights as OEM. Example, MK4 GTIs. They have the amber reflectors on their bumpers.

    Once you swap those out to clear or smoke, that would be considered not legal as well.
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    Recon is just a money maker for the city. I think its all a bunch of BS. No other state has such a thing. I'm still waiting for us to elect a gov who'll have the balls to just kick recon to the curb.


    tint on windshield--illegal? I here conflicting stories on this one. Haven't been able to get a solid confirmation on this one yet. Hope to here something on this one soon since I'll be retinting my whole car soon including my front windshield.
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    Recon will never go away. :(
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    Sadly that is so true B. :( I should run for gov lol. I would do it.

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    @kurt. I have tint on the windshield. Its that air blue type tint, which apparently is legal. You can't even tell its there, but it claims to block 99% UV.
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    The original intent of Recon was to certify reconstructed vehicles as safe to operate on the road. Somewhere along the line they just started using it to go after modified cars for things that should be covered in a normal safety check.
    I mean seriously, a "bounce test" to check suspension? A 200 lb dude pushing down on a fender/bumper is supposed to accurately indicate the performance of a system built to handle the forces generated by thousands of pounds of car moving at speed?

    And is it still impossible to get a copy of the actual guidelines for Recon? The only documentation I ever found was a PDF of the 1986 guidelines from the Hawaii Administrative Rules.

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    @ Roger - thanks man I'll keep that in mind when I go in for my tint job.

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    @kurt. I have tint on the windshield. Its that air blue type tint, which apparently is legal. You can't even tell its there, but it claims to block 99% UV.
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    My front windshield is tinted too.
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    Does anyone know of a good spot for Safety check to go to once I get back home? I havent had to do one since I was 16 and that was 13 years ago.

    My A6 is shipping in two weeks. I will be back on the island August 19th.
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    Just to comment on a few items...

    I thought tint tolerance was +/-7%.
    Legal windshield tint is available now. Someone mentioned air blue but there are a few others. It's basically 80% light transmission but 99% UV blocked.
    Bounce test is retarded. I couldn't even bounce the OEM suspension on my car. Forget about aftermarket.
    Do they still measure the license plate heights? I know that was something that used to be done. 12" min to the front license plate (I think it was center of the license plate). That was also retarded because some cars in stock form couldn't pass that.

    Regarding the other question about clear corners - Yes they are illegal. As others have mentioned, you must have an orange reflector in the front and red in the back. I doesn't necessarily have to be in the headlight so some cars that come with totally clear headlights pass because they have reflector in the bumpers. My car has clear headlights and an orange reflector in the bumper. I replaced the orange reflector with a painted reflector but it goes pretty much unnoticed during safety checks.
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    They don't measure license plate height anymore.
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    Safety check stations could care less about amber reflectors in the headlights, just as long as the blinker bulb flashes amber.
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    The problem with red in the rear tail lights. is that things like the new Lexus RX tail lights are clear all the way in the rear and use LED bulbs that are red, no reflectors or any of the housing is red or amber for turn signals etc. So what do they say about stuff like that?
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    ^^The amber or red reflectors do not have to be in the light housing. It can be on the bumper as well.

    I guess they dont check license plate measurments anymore, but the inspector measured my license plate. i did it about mid last year. Dodo heads must've changed it since then.
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    yea im not looking forward to dealing with it. i kept my oem headlights just for inspection then my ecodes are going back in. also had an alignment done after my coilover and adjustable control arm install last month. stupid i have to get another one prior to recon.

    my car wouldnt pass the bounce test with stock sport suspension definetely isnt gonna pass with coilovers
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    from what I found out is as long as the headlights are DOT stamped then they will pass RECON, just looked at my aftermarket one's on my A4 and it has a DOT stamp ;) however I also had another pair of LED aftermarket one's from the yellow S4 and they were'nt DOT stamped, So if you plan on going aftermarket make sure that their DOT approved before buying ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swift1 View Post
    from what I found out is as long as the headlights are DOT stamped then they will pass RECON, just looked at my aftermarket one's on my A4 and it has a DOT stamp ;) however I also had another pair of LED aftermarket one's from the yellow S4 and they were'nt DOT stamped, So if you plan on going aftermarket make sure that their DOT approved before buying ;)
    so then my euro ecodes might pass. but i dont think they stamp theres dot though

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    ya mine just says DOT also not a stamp, my bad ;)

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    Can we pass recon with air suspension? :-P
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoostBeeyatch View Post
    Can we pass recon with air suspension? :-P
    Air suspension in general is not illegal but you still have to meet all the suspension related requirements like alignment, travel, etc.
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    passed recon today after the 2nd visit.

    1st visit failed for tint and inadequate tire clearance.

    took tint off and returned got a different inspector and passed with the car at the same ride height as when i failed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jubei4769 View Post
    passed recon today after the 2nd visit.

    1st visit failed for tint and inadequate tire clearance.

    took tint off and returned got a different inspector and passed with the car at the same ride height as when i failed.
    Lol

    Who did your inspection? Was it a skinny Japanese guy? That guy did mine and he was super cool.
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    it was a guy named dwayne who did it today

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    can't believe you passed with your drop, crazy but stoked I bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swift1 View Post
    can't believe you passed with your drop, crazy but stoked I bet.
    first guy wanted me to raise the rear said i was rubbing but said nothing about the front and of course tint was at 27% so it had to come off. had tint removed and thought about raising the rear but didnt. just made a new appt with different guy and he looked at and had me bounce the rear to see if it rubbed and it didnt, just like io told the 1st guy and now im halfway legal.

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    I have still yet to get my freakin recon as soon as my car gets out from repairs. Had my appt changed from last week friday to now in mid March. Thats how bad the wait time is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A4Grocerygetter View Post
    I have still yet to get my freakin recon as soon as my car gets out from repairs. Had my appt changed from last week friday to now in mid March. Thats how bad the wait time is.
    I made my appt in october and i didnt get an appt till jan 3rd

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    Really? I made my appt at the end of november and got it on jan 6th. Damn a lot of ppl must be getting recon now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse S. View Post
    Really? I made my appt at the end of november and got it on jan 6th. Damn a lot of ppl must be getting recon now.
    I made an appointment in Dec and got one for Jan 24 but canceled it. Made another appointment on Jan 24th for Mar21st
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    Where do they bounce test from? My rear can bounce but front doesnt have much travel...im hearing various items about if its tested or not etc etc...bounce test is fuckin retarded.

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