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    DIY:Diagnose and Repair of Loose Wastegate Flapper (P0299)

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    After reading the Ticking While Coasting thread I realized I should recheck my wastegate flapper to see is the wastegate could be adjusted. Here is a little DIY that will allow for an easy diagnosis and repair routes available. I bought my car used and it was just out of warrenty when I bought it, I had APR software loaded in the same week. So I didn't have a baseline to what a new car felt like.

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    Symptoms: Low RPM throttle response sluggish. ticking noise while coasting (wastegate chatter), P0299 code (mine was very intermitted, maybe 4 times a year and usually only with suspect gas).

    Results after fix: Improved throttle response, fewer transmission shifts on hills, 2nd gear starts and slow roll offs (auto) are much improved. Turbo spool improved/back to spec. Overall more torque available.

    Procedure shown is with a HFC installed, stock cat may differ in clearance available. Procedure done while on car ramps.

    First step is to verify the problem with the least amount of disassembly. Remove MAF connector and airbox hoses. Pull airbox straight up and out of the way. This will allow visual inspection of the wastegate actuator rod. You can actually get you hand on it without pulling the airbox if you know where to feel. Rod is highlighted. If rod has any play your wastegate is not seating and you are losing boost. If you are under warranty and no TD1 its time to visit the dealer for a free turbo. If rod has no play and you have P0299 code; likely your N75 valve has failed or you may need a new turbo. Pulling the cat back for a visual inspection would verify if the wastegate is the problem. Shady fix for around 2 dollars.






    Remove front O2 sensor. The rearmost O2 ensure you have enough wire slack to slide the cat about 8 inches back and down. Remove 4 nuts from the cat to turbo flange. On the bottom side of the car remove the main splash guard. remove 2 nuts on the exhaust coupling in behind the resonator. You may want to have 2 spare bolts and nuts as these often need to be cut off or will shear in half, 1/4"x20tpi x1" should work (M8x25mm). I left the HFC attached to the downpipe as those bolts are no fun. Remove the bolt securing the HFC to the transmission (auto). I did the bottom bolt on the bracket so I wouldn't have to fight the one with the spring on it. Sorry no photos of this.
    Alternately- (Credit to Tom_A4) Instead of taking the exhaust apart at the resonator you can simply go to the rear of the car at the muffler and slip the exhaust hanger out of the rubber mount. This allows you to move the whole exhaust system back enough to access the backside of the turbo without worry of breaking the exhaust bolts.

    Below you can see the wastegate. This one is floating on the arm and sits off the exhaust port by about 3/32". The wastegate actuator should have spring tension against it. There is no adjustment available on the actuator rod as there were on previous K03's



    This write-up originally had the flapper temp fixed using Mig wire to shim the flapper. I wanted to see if this was actually causing my problems before I started to actually modify anything. This is why you may see references in following threads. Alex1188 found that Forge makes a replacement actuator, and that the actuator can be removed without pulling off the turbo. I decided to first modify my actuator as the low cost fix, but I may go with Forge in the future as its a quality part and possible power gains. Forge part number is FMACVAG08.

    From the first photo remove the heatshield above the exhaust manifold. It is held in place by 2 M10 triple square bolts and a 6MM allen bolt. Remove the air inlet hose to the turbo (7mm hex bolts or common screwdriver). Next remove 2 5mm bolts from the crankcase breather hose on the turbo inlet. The hose is flexible enough to be moved out of the way and doesn't need to be completely removed. Remove the fabric heatshield from the turbo coolant line (4 snaps). Remove the hose from the N75 valve going to the actuator. Its on the very front of the turbo.



    The coolant line causes most of the issues in changing out the actuator as it limits room to access the screws. It didn't look that easy to remove the line as it has bad access as well. I chose to work with it in place. There are 2 5mm allen bolts that secure the actuator. I used a cut down 5mm allen and a allen bit with a wrench to remove them.




    Remove the e clip from the rod end. Having the cat out of the way makes this much easier.



    Slide the actuate fwd and down to remove from the car.

    I chose to modify my actuator. I figured if I messed up at least there is now a viable replacement option. I also thought by staying stock spring rate I may have less adjustments to do later to prevent overboosting. Best of all its easy. I cut the actuator rod about an inch past where the bracket ends. Secure the rod with a vice or vicegrips to prevent possible internal wastegate damage from the shaft spinning while threading. I then removed 1/4" of rod length. I threaded both ends 1/4"-20tpi. Recoupled the rod using a thread union from Lowes. I would have preferred the infinite adjustment of a turnbuckle setup vs using a union but I down have a left handed die.
    Photo should say "Rod was cut and 1/4" removed."


    Because its a union fitting and not a turnbuckle you have to turn the rod end in 1 full turn increments to adjust the length. I put actuator end into the flapper arm and then looked at the actuator mounting holes. I adjusted the end 1 full turn at a time until the mount holes required me to slightly pull on the actuator to put the bolts in. Before I installed the bolts slide the actuator to the rear and install the e clip on the flapper arm. Install the 2 actuator bolts. Alternately you could bolt the actuator down first. Then spin the rod end until its just won't go into the actuator arm. Using an air compressor set to 10 psi pressurize the actuator (the rod will extend) and install the e clip. I like to air cycle it a few times to make sure the exhaust flapper is seating. The stock actuator should start movement at 4psi and be fully open at 10psi. You can also tinker here if you wish and adjust the rod shorter and increase spring preload. Doing this you should really do data logs of requested and actual boost. I don't have a vagcom cable, so I kept a conservative setting of the wastegate just closing with very little preload.





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    Last edited by van462; 07-22-2017 at 07:36 AM. Reason: Revamped writeup due a better fix. Also added inputs from other users
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    Did your car ever stall in 1st gear b/c of this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by van462 View Post
    Besides I hoping it will withstand the heat. If not I'll try something else. I didn't want to try tack welding without knowing if this was going to even help or not.
    Mig wire that size has a melting point of 2800 degrees F or so, and average exhaust temps for turbo car is around 1600 degree F. You could see spikes of up to 1900 in ehaust temps but actually anything hotter than that and your destroying your turbo....
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    This is awesome. I felt bad that I couldn't add more to my thread due to my lack of technical experience, so I'm happy someone could go more in depth into finding an affordable solution. Well done! Now the stealerships are gonna have to find another way to rob us all blind haha
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    Well hell, Cleatus!

    Awesome though man. I'm still in the process of getting my shit taken care of. I am still under warranty so I'm trying to get the dealer to correct this obviously then....but it's a lot more difficult than you think haha. After being told by the shop foreman in a ride-along that this ticking noise is normal, the odds of getting them to just go in and check the wastegate flapper without following "proper diagnostic protocol" is slim to none. I honestly might have to wait until it actually fails for them to look at this shit :-(
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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander1010 View Post
    Did your car ever stall in 1st gear b/c of this?
    No stalling for me. Really just the annoying rattle when coasting. Didn't notice it much when I lived on the east coast due to it being fairly flat terrain. Now where I'm at it was more noticeable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mtr24 View Post
    This is awesome. I felt bad that I couldn't add more to my thread due to my lack of technical experience, so I'm happy someone could go more in depth into finding an affordable solution. Well done! Now the stealerships are gonna have to find another way to rob us all blind haha
    Thanks for getting me to actually look there for the noise. I debated pulling the turbo off and adding an adjustment to the actuator rod. But I saw an easy out and took it.

    Its doubtful a dealership will go looking for a problem without a CEL, from the gap mine had, I really wonder how much it would take to even get a fault to consistently occur. With just a noise complaint they will likely fall back on the "within parameters" excuse. From what I saw I would have a hard time seeing this part go into failure mode to where there is no wastegate flapper. Now if somehow the wastegate received 100 psi vs 10.....
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    DIY:Diagnose and Repair of Loose Wastegate Flapper (P0299)

    Yea mine got pretty bad after a few months the point where I had a like a pound or 2 of boost. So the dealer would have been happy to replace my turbo for 4k. I even made a game out of trying to drive the 7 miles to and from work without the CEL coming back, I rarely won haha. On my way to the shop to have it looked at it finally gave out completely and it was like driving a NA 2.0. Almost died trying to beat an 18 wheeler when merging only to find out I had no turbo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by van462 View Post
    If rod has fore and aft play your wastegate is not seating and you are losing boost.
    So i actually just got this code today after replacing the intake manifold which was also broken ( seems like one thing after another lately lol) and i checked the waste gate rod and im kinda of confused on this statement...Do you mean play as in it can move side to side like pushing it closer to the motor, or like moving the rod in parallel with its self? mine has a small amount of play moving it closer to the motor and back toward the fender. think this could be my culprit as well?...im assuming it shouldnt have any play at all...
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    After I shimmed it I had no movement. Before it moved parallel with the engine. Mine was around 1/8 to 1/4 inch movement. Was the code present prior to intake maint. Do you have good idle. Follow the boost hose from the intake manifold to where it couples to the plastic sound box. The charge pressure sensor is there. It may have gotten disconnected when doing the intake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by van462 View Post
    After I shimmed it I had no movement. Before it moved parallel with the engine. Mine was around 1/8 to 1/4 inch movement. Was the code present prior to intake maint. Do you have good idle. Follow the boost hose from the intake manifold to where it couples to the plastic sound box. The charge pressure sensor is there. It may have gotten disconnected when doing the intake.
    I have CTS Intercooler Kit, never removed the plumbing that way, and the sensor is still connected, maybe oily idk if that would affect it. But yes i have good idle i can build boost up to 15 psi no problem but i know it should be much higher than that at stage 2. If i dont floor it and easy into (auto trans) it ill spike 19psi but i quickly tappers off. The only thing i can think of is maybe my intercooler hoses came loose some were, the MAP sensor is messed up, or bad gas maybe?? Im honestly lost lol
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    Revamped post by modifying the stock actuator. Also details on how to replace the actuator. Thanks Alex1188 for you help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by van462 View Post
    Revamped post by modifying the stock actuator. Also details on how to replace the actuator. Thanks Alex1188 for you help.
    Ya man glad i could help, ill post some pics of Forges Actuator in this thread for everyone some time this weekend, i actually was messing with the preload on mine today. to bad i didnt get on here earlier haha, but hows that modification working out for you??
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    It's only been a day, but having the torque back is great. ECU will likely have to relearn. I cleared adaptations using APR. I may add some preload as well.

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    Just wanted to add something to this thread for you all to watch out for seeing how it has now happened to me and may not be the only one...

    I recently installed forge actuator as some of you know to fix this p0299 issue, well yes the forge unit is great and will fix it IF your case isnt like mine and its actually the actuator that has gone bad by loosing its spring tension or flap disk becoming loose.

    In my case yes my actuator was bad and the disk was loose but after having the forge unit on for a while and messing around with preload, this solution has become less of a solution and have discovered something else to add to the list of causes for this p0299 code.

    There is a bushing on the shaft that the actuator connects to that runs through the exhaust manifold into the inside, the bushing will wear out and cause the shaft to become loose and leak and bind. or even allow the wastegate disk or door to not cover the hole any more.

    Here are some vids that i have found that is the same problem...

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    i bought a new wastegate actuator from ebay, kinugawa, from taiwan, company is from california. I figured id give it a try. its adjustable and i can chamge spring rates. I havent had any issues yet. It's only $135. Well worth it. Glad to see you got the wategate out without pulling turbo. I just pulled mine.

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    Quick question: To test the problem you write " If rod has fore and aft play your wastegate is not seating and you are losing boost. "
    Can you elaborate on this further please. Would it be loose or you need some force to move the wastegate?

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    The actuator spring applies quite a bit of clamping pressure. It shouldn't wiggle at all. Where its located I don't think it's possible to even move it with your fingers if its not worn.
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    So how do I check if I have a problem? If I don't have a code.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SDF1 View Post
    So how do I check if I have a problem? If I don't have a code.
    Vag com, run log of block 115 to check actual boost versus specified, you can also log duty cycle of the n75 valve(forget what block) to see if you have a 100% duty cycle or close.
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    Just do a visual inspection. Follow step 1 in the first post. You can actually check the actuator rod for play without any disassembly. If it moves, go complain to a dealer first and complain about the rattle when decelerating and power lose. They may cover a new turbo. I originally found mine when putting on a HFC and noticed it loose.
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    UPDATE!:

    So after having the Forge Actuator for about 3 months now, and playing with preload, and different spring rates, i just couldnt find that perfect OEM replacement spec on the Forge Actuator, the green spring in the Forge Actuator would be perfect for someone who has no tune and is completely stock as far a PSI wise, great for that. As far as having any tune, the green spring is to soft and wont allow any psi higher than 16-17 unless its really preloaded which will affect low end boost contoll and cause spiking. The next spring up is the Yellow spring, this spring would be great for a tune, as it allows that 20-24 psi of boost but wont allow any boost controll bellow 10Psi, so for anyone who has an off the shelf tune like APR, UNI, REVO ect, this spring is going to cause boost spikes and timing pull in low boost applications.

    So further more i decided to give Van462 Actuator mod a try, hell for less than 2$ at lowes or home depot and little time, this is the BEST solution to the problem of the p0299 and underboost conditions related to loose wastegate flapper. I just installed this today and by tighting it up about a little more than 1/8" im with in .100bar or requested boost along the whole rpm band, i think if i tighten it up just a little more it would be PERFECT and back to how it should be working...

    So in summery if your only stage 1 or 2 go with the solution Van462 had came up with, otherwise if your stock, you could buy Forges Actuator and put the green spring in. Hope this helps everyone!!

    PS: I know Member (2010b8a4apr2) had boughten a different replacement Actuator made by Kinugawa and has reported success with, but i would be very interested in seeing some VagCom Logs along with it
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    Were you able to do it with the cat still on, or did you slide it back?
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    Quote Originally Posted by van462 View Post
    Were you able to do it with the cat still on, or did you slide it back?
    Removed only the air box and heat wrap on the oil line, ive pretty much got it down to a system cuz of soooo much logging and playing with the Forge Actuator haha!!

    Oh and that part to join the two rods together is a Coupling Nut, i know you said Threaded Union, which is pretty much the same thing only a threaded union doesnt go all the way through, but props to you man on doing it that way, it is by far the best fix for this problem unless you want something shinny that you can barely see. lol
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    Heck I would like to see some vagcom logs too.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2010b8a4apr2 View Post
    Heck I would like to see some vagcom logs too.....
    Dont know if your being sarcastic and and saying you would like to see mine from all of this and calling me out on this...
    or you would actually like to see your own car logged.....
    but sure, ill post some of both spring rates with forge's and the modded actuator, im a firm believer in pics(logs in this case) or i didnt happen...
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    Not being sarcastic I would really like to see my logs. I kept the stock spring

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    Alright so today i did some logging on my way to work in mid afternoon with the modified stock actuator and this is what it looked like....





    Not to bad since it was within 1 psi of boost throughout the whole rev range...

    I then tightened the actuator one half turn and logged boost on the way home at 8pm, so granted the air was cooler and probably slightly more dense but not enough that should have made a difference....




    Again Run Two...



    Keep in mind i live in colorado, which is why i have low boost request in the high RPM's and the goofy jump in the middle could have been cause by my car being an TIP and its hard to run a full boost run in 3rd without it downshifting, but overall you guys get the pic... ill see if i can dig up the older logs of the broken stock actuator which was boosting only a peak of 14 and trailing to 7-8PSI by 5500RPMS. Yes this diy may not be a perfect fix but hey its pretty darn close!! Also for guys who dont know a P0299 Code will only create a CEL with a 4psi difference for a long duration, but doesnt mean it wont be a pending DTC. Vag Com is the only way to solve the mystery P0299 code...

    Im not giving up on this problem until it is 100% fixed, dont worry ive got you guys covered, ill find a long term solution that is inexpensive and doesnt require to replace the turbo...
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    Just to clarify the "fore and aft play" am I supposed to be able to move the shaft at all. The end of the shaft going to the turbo has almost no play but the other end I can move around a bit. I definitely have all the signs of this issue but want to clarify here before I take the car back to the dealership.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wabbit23 View Post
    Just to clarify the "fore and aft play" am I supposed to be able to move the shaft at all. The end of the shaft going to the turbo has almost no play but the other end I can move around a bit. I definitely have all the signs of this issue but want to clarify here before I take the car back to the dealership.


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    Should have no play at all and be completely tight, most likely its the starting stages of the wastegate actuator going bad, in which case if your under warranty audi should replace the whole turbo
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    My car has recently started making a bit of a fluttering sound when I accelerate and immediately let off the throttle. The RPM's also drop very rapidly in the mid to lower range between 2k and 4k RPMs when this is happening. Could this be my issue? No rattling sound as described when coasting just this strange sound. Regardless I brought this issue up with the dealer and the service manager rode along and also noticed the sound and immediately said it was prob a turbo issue (which I agree with), so maybe I will be lucky and they will replace it without too much fight. Think it might be a bit more sluggish than normal on acceleration as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SejRamkas View Post
    My car has recently started making a bit of a fluttering sound when I accelerate and immediately let off the throttle. The RPM's also drop very rapidly in the mid to lower range between 2k and 4k RPMs when this is happening. Could this be my issue? No rattling sound as described when coasting just this strange sound. Regardless I brought this issue up with the dealer and the service manager rode along and also noticed the sound and immediately said it was prob a turbo issue (which I agree with), so maybe I will be lucky and they will replace it without too much fight. Think it might be a bit more sluggish than normal on acceleration as well.
    Could be wastegate flutter, hard to say because a Diverter valve can flutter too. but if your saying its sluggish i would bet that its a beginning stage of the wastegate actuator going bad.
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    Just to clarify on the fluttering sound. Does it only flutter once you let off the gas or while on throttle?

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    My winding down/grinding sound is mainly heard when I'm sitting in my garage in park. I rev the motor to anything above 2k and Ill get that when the RPM's decelerate. Plus I have the ridiculous amount of lag and lack of power. Ugh!!! I've only had this car for 2 weeks and I'm already dealing with all of these problems. Thankfully its CPO'd but the dealership looked at it already, even heard the sound and nothing. They said the sound was perfectly normal. :/


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    Quote Originally Posted by wabbit23 View Post
    My winding down/grinding sound is mainly heard when I'm sitting in my garage in park. I rev the motor to anything above 2k and Ill get that when the RPM's decelerate. Plus I have the ridiculous amount of lag and lack of power. Ugh!!! I've only had this car for 2 weeks and I'm already dealing with all of these problems. Thankfully its CPO'd but the dealership looked at it already, even heard the sound and nothing. They said the sound was perfectly normal. :/


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    Did you manage to fix the problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by van462 View Post
    Just to clarify on the fluttering sound. Does it only flutter once you let off the gas or while on throttle?
    Sound only comes when I let off the throttle after punching it a bit and causing the RPMs to go up about 2k. Mostly happens between the 2K to 3.5K range. I have never noticed it before. I have also never driven a car with a turbo so I am not very familiar with the different sounds they will make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deacon_cs View Post
    Did you manage to fix the problem?
    The cars at the dealership for the second time. I changed the plugs out to see if it did anything and am about to order R8 coil packs as well since I still have a slightly bouncy idle.

    This car is at 57k and according to the service records the last time the plugs were changed out was at 41k. This is what they all looked like when I pulled them out-


    The dealer is insisting that everything seems fine as far as the turbo goes but by the looks of the old plugs at about 16k of wear there seems to be a bigger problem. The new plugs made a decent difference on the idle and I definitely got some torque back but the grinding/winding down sound is still present when I rev the engine. They're looking into the sound today but they said the car drove fine and they had 4 guys look it over and drive it.
    I'm starting to consider this car might end up as perfect candidate for some lemon law action with the amount of issues its had in the two weeks of ownership.




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    I'm also considering the valves might be gunked up badly considering how bad my plugs looked.


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    wabbit23 do you have any oil consumption issues. That a lot of deposit on the plug. The only thing that i know of that usually gives a grinding sound that matches engine speed is a worn timing chain tensioner. It may be letting the chain hit the cover. That could also cause a flaky idle.

    SemRamkas- your sound may be normal. When you let off the throttle the diverter valve is deenergized. Pressure from the intake tract overrides the spring in the dv and the air dumps back in before the turbo and decreasing the pressure to atmosphere pressure. Some people can hear it others can't. Usually the valve just opens until the air pressure can no longer override the spring and it closes. The piston style valves that the B8 uses don't break like the older B7 style did. If the DV fails it will usually fail in a way that it doesn't energize and seal boost pressure.
    The PCV can cause a shrill sound when not in boost if it is going bad. It sounds a lot like a dry bearing spinning.
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    Thanks. Ill have the dealer check out the tensioner as well. They decided the turbo was the culprit for the grinding sound so they decided to replace it. I should be getting the car back tomorrow afternoon so Ill post an update on how the new turbo effects the drivability.


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