Revo tuning for 8.5 S4

[jdelcas1]

Sorry if this is a repost.. Just saw this and wanted to pass it on.. All I have been seeing is APR and GIAC tune in the forum and having some love for Revo since my VW days I always thought they had a decent tuning program.. Here is a link for there info on the new tuning...

http://www.revotechnik.com/type/1066/222/

I'd be curious on its performance numbers to compare..

[droopy1592]

We are running Revo Stage 1 93oct program on one of our shop cars (2011 6spd) and it has no problem pulling away from APR stage 2 cars! Revo has done a great job with there B8 S4 software. The b8.5 software will more than likely follow.
If anyone that is in the Tri State area wants to stop by to take a ride, we would be more than happy to do so! Also we are an authroized Revo dealer and have some great sales on all Revo Software currently!

Cheers

KMD Tuning and Engineering

You're telling me that a stage 1 revo car pulls away from a stage 2 apr car?

[helix139]

Sorry if this is a repost.. Just saw this and wanted to pass it on.. All I have been seeing is APR and GIAC tune in the forum and having some love for Revo since my VW days I always thought they had a decent tuning program.. Here is a link for there info on the new tuning...

http://www.revotechnik.com/type/1066/222/

I'd be curious on its performance numbers to compare..

The reason you don't see more love for Revo is that it is well known on the boards that ther tune messes with the engine safeguards. The run their timing on the very edge of safe and cut back engine knock sensitivity. Their strategy of setting requested boost to sme I obtainable level instead of matching to what the engine can produce at a given IAT and RPM is kind of hack job also.

APR and GIAC are safe in all conditions. Revo is another story.

[jdomasi]

Empirical data proving that notion? Not comparing the code changes to the ECU, but actual longevity and breakdown comparisons?

[richib86]

Empirical data proving that notion? Not comparing the code changes to the ECU, but actual longevity and breakdown comparisons?

the only known blown engines are of revo cars. i havent heard a single case for apr and giac

[jdomasi]

Sounds fair enough. I dont and won't ecu flash until my warranty is up (49k left lol), but like see if stats back up statements

[V8Star]

the only known blown engines are of revo cars. i havent heard a single case for apr and giac

I still haven't seen any links yet to a B8/B8.5 blown engine. Do people make this up?


Running Revo on my B8.5, loving every second of it!!

[helix139]

I still haven't seen any links yet to a B8/B8.5 blown engine. Do people make this up?


Running Revo on my B8.5, loving every second of it!!

NDAs will keep those links from happening. At least one member on this board has had an engine replaced due to a Revo tune.

[richib86]

NDAs will keep those links from happening. At least one member on this board has had an engine replaced due to a Revo tune.

and thats just on this board

[AKPS4]

Is the REVO tune the same as the Stasis V2 tune? I thought they merged or whatever happened. Last year Stasis released the V2 tune partnered with Revo which produced more power than the original V1 tune that stasis had. Im curious if this is the same or different than the tune marketed separately by Revo now.

Is one better than the other? I got the stasis V2 tune last year. No issues yet, however i have yet to get my car anywhere near redline, i dont track the car, dont drag race, and only have fun/spirited driving moments time to time but dont really push the car like everyone else here so im not so worried.

[staticuxo]

Is the REVO tune the same as the Stasis V2 tune? I thought they merged or whatever happened. Last year Stasis released the V2 tune partnered with Revo which produced more power than the original V1 tune that stasis had. Im curious if this is the same or different than the tune marketed separately by Revo now.

Is one better than the other? I got the stasis V2 tune last year. No issues yet, however i have yet to get my car anywhere near redline, i dont track the car, dont drag race, and only have fun/spirited driving moments time to time but dont really push the car like everyone else here so im not so worried.

i got mine last year also.. i think i told you when we were in brooklyn before DoD that my cat had melted. the only 2 other people on this forum who had a cat melt had revo..

luckily i had it covered by warranty, but i'm a bit worried about it happening again.

[richib86]

Is one better than the other? I got the stasis V2 tune last year. No issues yet, however i have yet to get my car anywhere near redline, i dont track the car, dont drag race, and only have fun/spirited driving moments time to time but dont really push the car like everyone else here so im not so worried.

if you dont keep the car at the edge and drive like you described then your tune will be more than fine

[dawei213]

^ Only when constantly pushed to the edge and redline much will the potential to cause more harm will crop up right? I guess it's as many have mentioned before, due to the desensitizing of sensors and allowing dangerous level of <whatever bad mojo might come up> to rise and not get detected is what can cause the issue?

[Wusty]

Is the REVO tune the same as the Stasis V2 tune? I thought they merged or whatever happened. Last year Stasis released the V2 tune partnered with Revo which produced more power than the original V1 tune that stasis had. Im curious if this is the same or different than the tune marketed separately by Revo now.

Is one better than the other? I got the stasis V2 tune last year. No issues yet, however i have yet to get my car anywhere near redline, i dont track the car, dont drag race, and only have fun/spirited driving moments time to time but dont really push the car like everyone else here so im not so worried.

I've talked to Stasis direct about this, the Revo & Stasis V2 tune are the exact same. The only difference is Stasis being more expensive because of the addition of the Stasis warranty.

[richib86]

I've talked to Stasis direct about this, the Revo & Stasis V2 tune are the exact same. The only difference is Stasis being more expensive because of the addition of the Stasis warranty.

i wish stasis was more active on this board to answer more questions. i heard something different from stasis that its mostly the same tune with a few parameters changed

[Wusty]

i wish stasis was more active on this board to answer more questions. i heard something different from stasis that its mostly the same tune with a few parameters changed

Agreed. I did speak direct with the Stasis Area Manager about a month ago and he confirmed they are identical. Warranty is the only difference.

[Info@EuroCode]

The REVO and STaSIS products are not identical, however they do share similar calibration strategy.


STaSIS programming for the B8.5 is a 50 state USA tune that is optimized for premium unleaded pump fuel in all markets. The REVO product had the ability to be switched (octane dependendent) for 91 octane, 93 octane and 100 octane race gas.

To switch the REVO programming, you must purchase a REVO Select (SPS) hand held OBDII controller. Plug the select plus into the STaSIS branded product and you will not be able to switch the programming.

The STaSIS branded product includes a factory matching 4year 50K warranty.

[AQuattro]

I still haven't seen any links yet to a B8/B8.5 blown engine. Do people make this up?

Besides the rumored engine failures there have been actual reports of melted cats on this forum which all seem to correspond to a Stasis / Revo tune (as far as I know). This is another possible sign of an overly aggressive or just plain poor tune. A melted cat could also lead to engine failure.

[jdomasi]

Not to start a crazy argument here but to say "factory matching warranty" is a little bit of a stretch - there are multiple posts of people getting denied from both Stassis and Audi (gray area). Nonetheless, better than any other warranty offered.

[richib86]

whats a warranty? i havent had one since 04 lol

[AKPS4]

Good stuff. Thanks.

Staticuxo, i remember you telling me about your cat issue... I've been keeping an eye out for the melted cats issue but i think im good, for now. i actually havent been driving too much in the hot weather lately either. that may change when i get the AWE on this weekend!

I agree, i wish Stasis was more involved in the forums but oh well. as long as they cover any issues i guess i could care less.

[westwest888]

The reason you don't see more love for Revo is that it is well known on the boards that ther tune messes with the engine safeguards. The run their timing on the very edge of safe and cut back engine knock sensitivity. Their strategy of setting requested boost to sme I obtainable level instead of matching to what the engine can produce at a given IAT and RPM is kind of hack job also.

APR and GIAC are safe in all conditions. Revo is another story.

This is complete bullshit. I've run my Revo car in 107 degree desert sun, on a racetrack for an entire day, and had zero knocks.

I think based on the 1/4 mile performance numbers that Revo's tune is actually extremely conservative, just as its sister tune Stasis is. This means that if you are a power user like me, you can do 500 4th gear pulls on a racetrack in an afternoon and get very consistent performance. If you want to do 1 super fast pull on the street, there's other tuners that will get you there in 12 seconds flat if you don't mind ruining your clutch.

I've run all 3 of the REVO programs - 91, 93, and 100 - and honestly I don't really notice any perceptible difference between them. Tuning the car seems to only really have an affect from 5200 RPM to redline.

The only fact that an objective person reading the board must agree with is that either your tune puts down the fastest time, or maximizes engine and drivetrain safety. You can't have both, they are direct, proportional tradeoffs. If you put down an 11.5, fast AND not safe. If you put down a 12.9, safe AND not fast.

[richib86]

i cant wait for your motor to pop...

[westwest888]

i cant wait for your motor to pop...

Me neither. I've got my 911 S all priced out.

[S4charged]

This is complete bullshit. I've run my Revo car in 107 degree desert sun, on a racetrack for an entire day, and had zero knocks.

I think based on the 1/4 mile performance numbers that Revo's tune is actually extremely conservative, just as its sister tune Stasis is. This means that if you are a power user like me, you can do 500 4th gear pulls on a racetrack in an afternoon and get very consistent performance. If you want to do 1 super fast pull on the street, there's other tuners that will get you there in 12 seconds flat if you don't mind ruining your clutch.

I've run all 3 of the REVO programs - 91, 93, and 100 - and honestly I don't really notice any perceptible difference between them. Tuning the car seems to only really have an affect from 5200 RPM to redline.

The only fact that an objective person reading the board must agree with is that either your tune puts down the fastest time, or maximizes engine and drivetrain safety.[/B] You can't have both, they are direct, proportional tradeoffs. If you put down an 11.5, fast AND not safe. If you put down a 12.9, safe AND not fast.

Or maybe you suck at 1/4 racing. Your times are horrible, almost as if your stock.

[westwest888]

Or maybe you suck at 1/4 racing. Your times are horrible, almost as if your stock.

Maybe I suck at 1/4 racing. Maybe the S4 sucks at 1/4 racing. I think if you asked 100 people at the drag strip 99 would say the S4 sucks. It doesn't exactly draw a crowd. It feels kind of like going to NY Fashion Week in Levi 501 jeans and a t shirt with a stain on it - you simply don't belong there. You will impress the teenagers running used Mustangs and Subarus with 90k miles on them.

You've got to really know what your goal is when tuning. If you're trying to be a 1/4 mile hero, I don't think this platform is going to cut it. If you're getting a little bored of your car and you think it will keep you from buying something faster like an RS5, this should do the trick.

[helix139]

This is complete bullshit. I've run my Revo car in 107 degree desert sun, on a racetrack for an entire day, and had zero knocks.

I think based on the 1/4 mile performance numbers that Revo's tune is actually extremely conservative, just as its sister tune Stasis is. This means that if you are a power user like me, you can do 500 4th gear pulls on a racetrack in an afternoon and get very consistent performance. If you want to do 1 super fast pull on the street, there's other tuners that will get you there in 12 seconds flat if you don't mind ruining your clutch.

I've run all 3 of the REVO programs - 91, 93, and 100 - and honestly I don't really notice any perceptible difference between them. Tuning the car seems to only really have an affect from 5200 RPM to redline.

The only fact that an objective person reading the board must agree with is that either your tune puts down the fastest time, or maximizes engine and drivetrain safety. You can't have both, they are direct, proportional tradeoffs. If you put down an 11.5, fast AND not safe. If you put down a 12.9, safe AND not fast.

There is more than enough evidence through logs, etc. to back up what I'm saying. Oh, and your 1/4 mi times mean absolute shit, as was proven in the threads where you posted them and graced us all with your superior expertise as a software engineer .

BTW, APR S2 and GIAC S2 are both faster and safer than Revo because THEY DON'T ALTER THE FACTORY ENGINE PROTECTION from knock, overboost, etc.

So in summary, which part of the following are bullshit? Please, show logs if you disagree.

a) Revo alters factory knock sensitivity. APR and GIAC do not.
b) Revo sets requested boost to unobtainable levels in a hackjob quick and dirty effort to obtain maximum boost. APR and GIAC do not.
c) Revo runs more advanced timing than APR or GIAC and does so with altered factory knock sensitivity mentioned in a).

[richib86]

There is more than enough evidence through logs, etc. to back up what I'm saying. Oh, and your 1/4 mi times mean absolute shit, as was proven in the threads where you posted them and graced us all with your superior expertise as a software engineer .

BTW, APR S2 and GIAC S2 are both faster and safer than Revo because THEY DON'T ALTER THE FACTORY ENGINE PROTECTION from knock, overboost, etc.

So in summary, which part of the following are bullshit? Please, show logs if you disagree.

a) Revo alters factory knock sensitivity. APR and GIAC do not.
b) Revo sets requested boost to unobtainable levels in a hackjob quick and dirty effort to obtain maximum boost. APR and GIAC do not.
c) Revo runs more advanced timing than APR or GIAC and does so with altered factory knock sensitivity mentioned in a).

dont waste your time, my 4 year old nephew has more common sense

[Jones2012s4]

Ughhhhh

Same shit again guys?

I need to go back to the tuner crowd. You guys are depressing.

LoL

Come to Canada and smoke a few of our trees. Maybe everyone will chill the fuck out and let people do what they want. Offer a humble opinion and some educated criticism and let it be.

To each their own.

[richib86]

i enjoy the trees in nyc

[staticuxo]

Ughhhhh

Same shit again guys?

I need to go back to the tuner crowd. You guys are depressing.

LoL

Come to Canada and smoke a few of our trees. Maybe everyone will chill the fuck out and let people do what they want. Offer a humble opinion and some educated criticism and let it be.

To each their own.

this.

i enjoy the trees in nyc

and this

[S4charged]

The trees are tremendous in California

[PaperishPlastic]

california has so much tree, you cant walk down to the corner market without getting high from the burning trees in the atmosphere.

[Nighthawk]

I think pgr had some issues with melted cats a while back and he was APR stg II...

[AQuattro]

I've run my Revo car in 107 degree desert sun, on a racetrack for an entire day, and had zero knocks.
.

Link to logs?

I think based on the 1/4 mile performance numbers that Revo's tune is actually extremely conservative, just as its sister tune Stasis is. .

Revo tuned cars have some of the faster (fastest?) Stage 1 1/4 mile times and Vbox times.

The only fact that an objective person reading the board must agree with is that either your tune puts down the fastest time, or maximizes engine and drivetrain safety. You can't have both, they are direct, proportional tradeoffs. If you put down an 11.5, fast AND not safe. If you put down a 12.9, safe AND not fast.

This is assuming the tuner knows what they're doing. There's a lot of ways you could create a tune that is slow and unsafe. On the other hand a knowledgeable tuner could create a tune that is faster and safer.

[well_armed]

You've got to really know what your goal is when tuning. If you're trying to be a 1/4 mile hero, I don't think this platform is going to cut it. If you're getting a little bored of your car and you think it will keep you from buying something faster like an RS5, this should do the trick.

"Ring ring. Hello, Revo? Yes, I would like to talk about my tuning goals with you. I am not interested in 1/4 mile times, but merely more power for the high horsepower road tracks in my area. What do you mean acceleration tests like the 1/4 mile are indicative of the tunes performance for any discipline? Blasphemy!"

Next thing you know Revo is going to come out with a program loader just for you West, these are going to be the options:

- High Horsepower Circuit Tracks
- Low Horsepower Circuit Tracks
- 1/4 Mile Acceleration
- Stock

[Jones2012s4]

Thanks goodness I got rid of those stinking tree hugging cats back in may.

Eurocode headers FTW

[jdelcas1]

I just love how this thread escalated..

[Info@EuroCode]

To bring this back to topic, we have REVO, STaSIS and APR Tuned 2013MY cars available for comparison if there are any SoCal customers interested. My personal car (2013 S5) is APR Stage II+ with our headers and everything else we make. Test rides are free and if you can drive a manual transmission I'll let you take it for a spin. We also have a 2013 S4 with APR Stage II+ with our headers and everything else we make.

Both APR and REVO stand behind their product and offer a unconditional 30 day money back satisfaction guarantee. APR is the only product that we have available at the moment that can be post flashed on site. Programming takes about 30 minutes and there is NO installation charge.

[thedollardoctor]

Oh geez, west is at it again.......