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    Clutch pedal pad extension DIY

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    There have been a couple of threads on here about the clutch's long travel, and that for some people like me, it makes for uncomfortable seating positions. you find a good spot for your left foot to be good, and the right foot (mine is more on the top of the foot/shin area) gets sore from constant flexing. You either wish you could move the gas and brake pedals back by an inch or two, or shorten the clutch pedal's travel (and accompanying engagement/friction point by an inch or so. And then there's the 3rd alternative: create a thicker/taller clutch pedal pad. The latter seemed to be the only real solution, so i made one myself.

    Version 1 was a "quick and dirty" concept model. it worked very well, but was always intended to be temporary until i could think of a better design. After all, making something out of wood for this car just seemed... ghetto. But here is what it looks like:

    The bottom sheet metal attaches to the bare pedal by folding the tabs around. The pedal pad attaches to the top sheet metal.



    you can see that there's a curvature there, that made carving the piece of wood tricky. Took a couple shots. i drilled holes in both the metal and wood, then nailed everything together with carpet nails (only thing i could find small enough that had any strength to it along with a big enough head to latch on to the metal). i did this from both ends



    so the new one i took a similar approach with the sheet metal, but instead of wood, i used self latching standoffs along with screw/nuts. here's the finished product on the car. The black tape is e-tape, just on there as a protective barrier since the metal is sharp, and i don't want to destroy my dress shoes if i accidentally brush against it. Plus it covers the shiny metal from normal view.




    Forgot to take pictures during most of the actual work, so this will be somewhat bare of in-process pics. What you'll need:

    • a pair of good work gloves that can stand up to sharp sheet metal
    • 1 piece of at least 1'x1' sheet metal. i used this 28 gauge from HD as anything thicker would have been really hard to work with. But if you have a good metal cutting band saw or something, it may be better to get a thicker gauge ($11). also, aluminum seemed too flimsy, so i'd stay away from that.
    • Metal cutting sheers or saw
    • 11 Self clinching blind standoffs. Preferably 1" tall, but when i bought them, all i could find was .5" ones so my procedure ended up being more difficult. I purchased these on ebay. in case the link is dead when reading this, this is what they look like

      and are "0.212X0.5000(L)/ #6-32 Blind Clinching". i highly recommend getting ones that are hex head, not round, as round ones will make it more difficult to tighten everything up. ($15 shipped)
    • 11 pan head screws and nuts to fit the standoffs. In my case, they were #6-32, 1" in tall ($2.36 at HD)
    • either 22 #8 washers, or 11 #8 (for the standoffs) and 11 #6 (for the screws) ($1.16 at HD)
    • small 9/32 open ended wrench
    • Double sided tape
    • 1/4 hex socket for the standoffs (if you get different standoffs, you'll needs one to fit yours)
    • drill
    • pliers and/or vice or something to be able to bend the initial tabs for the bottom sheet metal piece


    i started by cutting out a piece of sheet metal for the top layer. I drilled 4 rows of holes. 3 rows of 3, and a fourth (bottom) row of 2, total of 11. This pic shows the first hole in the bottom row.


    Now, there is no real good way to measure the size of this top piece, especially since it needs to be curved, so what i did was take a piece of paper and put it over the bare pedal, then fold down the edges around it. Then i traced the folds with marker and cut out the what became my template. i then took the template, placed it over the bare sheet metal, traced around the edges with a marker, and that's where i cut.

    Then i cut out the bottom piece. Foir this, basically, i placed the template on the bare sheet metal and marked off about 1 cm beyond the edges and cut there. Then made 3 slits, somewhat equally spaced down the vertical sides, so as to allow the piece to be bent into a curved form. Then cut out the edges at the top and bottom for the tabs that will bend around the top and bottom of the bare pedal.


    next, after all 11 holes were drilled into top piece, i put the #6 screws into the holes one by one (along with a washer), where the screw was going from top to bottom, and secured them from the bottom with a nut. You can use nylon locking nuts, or i just used regular nuts and some loctite. For tightening the nuts, it was helpful to use the small 9/32" open ended wrench while holding the screws in place with a screw driver. You want the nuts tight.

    So, the next step is to bend the top piece into the curved form of the pedal pad. You should have this off the car by now, and you can line up the top sheet metal along the pad to get an idea of how much curvature you want to put. crease the sheet a bit if needed in order for it to retain its shape. This step i don't have a pic of. But it's important to do this BEFORE drilling any holes in the bottom piece. Why? because if you mark and drill the holes while both pieces are flat, they will NOT line up once you bend them. I learned this the hard way.

    Now you will take the bottom sheet metal piece, and bend it the same way. Once you do that, you'll need to mark the holes for each screw. Place the top portion on top of the bottom portion where you'll want to secure it (see bottom of post for additional positioning tip). hold it in place as well as you can, and mark the hole locations on the bottom piece with a marker. Then drill the holes in the bottom piece. You'll want to use a drill bit that's barely bigger than the standoffs. you don't want too much wiggle room.

    Ok, now you take the self clinching standoffs, insert them from under the bottom sheet metal along with a washer (if you use standoffs that have a larger lipped base, washers aren't necessary IMO, but the ones i used were kind of small so i put washers to be extra safe), and screw them into the screws. The ones i got were a 1/4" hex, so i used a socket to tighten them up. This step is kind of annoying because as you're working the bottom sheet metal keeps want to ride up, so you have to keep making sure it stays down against the bottom of the stand offs. if you let it ride up into the screws' area, getting the standoffs back through the holes is hard, and annoying. You'll see what i'm talking about.

    anyway, once you do that, the pad extension is fairly complete. you'll notice though that if you jiggle the thing around, the washers on the bottom piece jiggle around too. and yes, they make noise when pressing the clutch if you install the thing as is (i tried it). So i used some 3M double sided tape, placed it between the standoffs covering the washers so as to hold them in place. While i was at it, it took a couple strips of the double sided tape and put it onto the bare clutch pedal to add some extra stability so it doesn't move around.

    Next step was to put the pedal pad on top of the top piece of metal. This proved to be difficult. You'll probably need to cut part of the left pad wall an inch or so down because it's in the way. The arrows in the below pic are showing where i cut it, and how it sits on top of the bottom sheet metal.


    Also, If you're having trouble getting the pad on, just make sure you didn't make the top sheet metal piece to big.


    Next, you'll want to bend the top tab of the bottom sheet metal piece. not just at 90 degrees, but into a U like it is in this pic


    once you do that, to install the whole assembly, fit that top U shaped tab over the top part of the bare pedal, then fold the bottom tab and secure the bottom portion of the assembly. Then just fold all the side tabs, add any e-tape as you wish, and you're done!

    a couple of extra tips:
    - after cutting the sheet metal, use a file to smoothen out the edges a bit. everywhere.

    - when determining where exactly the top sheet metal portion will fit in respect to the bottom portion, i recommend having it somewhat lower biased. in the image below, you see the top portion (pad) on the left sits lower than the top portion (pad) on the right. (The yellow lines are essentially 90 degrees from the bottom sheet metal.) if you have it totally centered over the bottom piece, the pad ends up sticking up higher, as opposed to just closer to you, which makes you have to have your foot higher, and to me, is not as comfortable. I noticed this problem with the first model, which is why in the second version i placed it lower.



    anyway, hopefully this will help some people out. and if others come up with better alternatives, please share!
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    Nice writeup. Reading through this just makes me think, there has to be a better way. Why cant they just make all the pedals adjustable from factory? Annoys me too that heel toeing can only be comfortably performed if you are hitting the brakes pretty hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatalBert View Post
    Nice writeup. Reading through this just makes me think, there has to be a better way. Why cant they just make all the pedals adjustable from factory? Annoys me too that heel toeing can only be comfortably performed if you are hitting the brakes pretty hard.
    i hear ya, man. i asked my dealer about it, and he checked around, and was told basically doing something like this (making a pedal extension) was the only way to go. you can make a steering wheel move up, down, in and out, but pedals can't? shouldn't be that tough.
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    Aren't you only changing the position of the pad, not the throw length?

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    Quote Originally Posted by achilleas101 View Post
    i hear ya, man. i asked my dealer about it, and he checked around, and was told basically doing something like this (making a pedal extension) was the only way to go. you can make a steering wheel move up, down, in and out, but pedals can't? shouldn't be that tough.
    Funny you say that. A lot of the "higher end" domestics and even the trucks have adjustable pedals, but didn't
    have telescoping steering wheels until as of late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apexit1 View Post
    Aren't you only changing the position of the pad, not the throw length?
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    Quote Originally Posted by apexit1 View Post
    Aren't you only changing the position of the pad, not the throw length?
    I think the point was to shorten the distance from the seat when fully extended so that the seat can be moved back a little and he wont have to cramp his other leg as much to hit the gas/brake.

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    Wow - nice work. Doesn't look "safe" to me though... I'm sure it's secure but if you had a serious accident and that was discovered could there be issue with liability?
    I'm 5'7 and have absolutely no issue with clutch position. Is it the taller people here who are having issues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrFunk View Post
    Wow - nice work. Doesn't look "safe" to me though... I'm sure it's secure but if you had a serious accident and that was discovered could there be issue with liability?
    I'm 5'7 and have absolutely no issue with clutch position. Is it the taller people here who are having issues?
    I think we've gotten used to it. But everyone can unanimously agree that the travel after disengagement could be shortened. I think a pedal stop would be our best bet, not sure we have the ability to cleanly install one under there though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatalBert View Post
    I think the point was to shorten the distance from the seat when fully extended so that the seat can be moved back a little and he wont have to cramp his other leg as much to hit the gas/brake.
    correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFunk View Post
    Wow - nice work. Doesn't look "safe" to me though... I'm sure it's secure but if you had a serious accident and that was discovered could there be issue with liability?
    I'm 5'7 and have absolutely no issue with clutch position. Is it the taller people here who are having issues?
    I don't see how it could possibly be argued that it would create fault in an accident. a brake pedal, maybe, because if it falls off, it can affect your ability to brake and avoid the accident. but the clutch?

    as for height, I'm 5' 9.5"... so dunno.. although, i only extended it by 1" so maybe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by achilleas101 View Post
    I don't see how it could possibly be argued that it would create fault in an accident. a brake pedal, maybe, because if it falls off, it can affect your ability to brake and avoid the accident. but the clutch?
    Well - yes and no - it's debatable which is the issue. That thing comes loose and gets lodged under the brake pedal in an emergency could be argued... if you crashed and there was a fatality and they really investigate the accident in great detail and notice the pedal was modified it could be a very slippery slope. I know what you're saying about the clutch not really being a pedal needed in a panic situation however, remember all the law suits with Toyota due to their floor mats not fitting correctly and causing throttles to be depressed? Food for thought is all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrFunk View Post
    Well - yes and no - it's debatable which is the issue. That thing comes loose and gets lodged under the brake pedal in an emergency could be argued... if you crashed and there was a fatality and they really investigate the accident in great detail and notice the pedal was modified it could be a very slippery slope. I know what you're saying about the clutch not really being a pedal needed in a panic situation however, remember all the law suits with Toyota due to their floor mats not fitting correctly and causing throttles to be depressed? Food for thought is all...
    fair enough...
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    How bout some double sided velcro tape and stick a hockey puck or block of rubber to the carpet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SASKCHAUCH View Post
    How bout some double sided velcro tape and stick a hockey puck or block of rubber to the carpet.
    that doesn't help move the friction/engagement point up. you don't have to push the pedal all the way down to hit the friction point. and i never push it down that far regardless.

    visualize this: if you move the seat too far back, your left foot can't push the pedal far enough to get to the friction point right? the friction point is a couple inches before the pedal gets all the way to the floor. Adding a stop to the back of the pedal to keep it from going those last couple inches doesn't help you there. adding a pad to the pedal allows you to push the pedal far enough to hit the friction point from the further seat position. the travel beyond the friction point to the floor is irrelevant, at least for the problem i'm trying to solve.

    it's as if they designed the layout where the person it was designed around had a left leg longer than his right leg, but us normal, proportional people need a little booster for the left leg.
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    Hi guys, I just found this thread now, as I am having exactly the same issue with my S5. A comfortable driving position is impossible to find without having to push the clutch all the way with my toe extended. I bought a set of aftermarket boy-racer pedal pads to try and rig up something like you, and just found this thread. If you're still around on the forums - how did this work out for you? Is it more comfortable? Are you really able to move the seat back a little? Does the pad move around on the pedal at all? Is it noticeable how much further the clutch pedal sticks out beyond the brake? I get what an annoyance that is between gas / brake but since the left foot only pays attention to the clutch pedal I wasn't sure it would matter.

    Thanks for any feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darel View Post
    Hi guys, I just found this thread now, as I am having exactly the same issue with my S5. A comfortable driving position is impossible to find without having to push the clutch all the way with my toe extended. I bought a set of aftermarket boy-racer pedal pads to try and rig up something like you, and just found this thread. If you're still around on the forums - how did this work out for you? Is it more comfortable? Are you really able to move the seat back a little? Does the pad move around on the pedal at all? Is it noticeable how much further the clutch pedal sticks out beyond the brake? I get what an annoyance that is between gas / brake but since the left foot only pays attention to the clutch pedal I wasn't sure it would matter.

    Thanks for any feedback.

    Darel
    I had the same issue till I realized my steering wheel telescoped. The po had it all the way out and it needed a good shove to move in. I had to have the seat back prior. if i moved it in to feel comfortable with the clutch i was right up against the wheel.
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    For me, the steering wheel is fine, it's more the relationship between the clutch and the gas/brake. It's like, if the clutch is comfortable, my right knee is bent way too much and I'm trying to work the gas/brake with my ankle. If the gas/brake is OK, I'm stretching out with my toe to bury the clutch.

    I found this on eBay, wondering if it can be adapted but at $50 for a cheapass little piece of plastic I'm not really keen on experimenting:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mustang-Clu...-/132781158014

    There's also a complete 3-pedal assembly on eBay for a not-unreasonable price. I might pick that up and see if I can modify the pedal itself (possibly moving the hole for the actuating rod so I get more travel for a shorter throw) but then I have my original if I mess something up. And I can always sell off the gas pedal / position sensor, or keep it for a spare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darel View Post
    Hi guys, I just found this thread now, as I am having exactly the same issue with my S5. A comfortable driving position is impossible to find without having to push the clutch all the way with my toe extended. I bought a set of aftermarket boy-racer pedal pads to try and rig up something like you, and just found this thread. If you're still around on the forums - how did this work out for you? Is it more comfortable? Are you really able to move the seat back a little? Does the pad move around on the pedal at all? Is it noticeable how much further the clutch pedal sticks out beyond the brake? I get what an annoyance that is between gas / brake but since the left foot only pays attention to the clutch pedal I wasn't sure it would matter.

    Thanks for any feedback.

    Darel
    dang, didn't see this reply 2 years ago. :)

    Just re-found this thread as I was looking for it to show the buyer of car what I did. But for anyone wondering, after 8 years, it's held up nicely.
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