Can a 3.0 Supercharger be bolted on to a 3.2?

[Cobra357]

Please just entertain the idea for a moment, I'm curious to know if the supercharger from the 3.0 be bolted on my 3.2. The bolt patterns looks like the same and I'm aware I would need to reprogram my ECU. There is nothing for force induction for the 3.2 motor and please no smartass comment about selling and buying a 3.0 C6. I'm willing to make this my next project if it can work, if you have done this before please inbox me or share it on the page. Thanks inadvance

[OmaHahn]

There's been many posts on this forum mostly in the B8 / A4 section. Answer = NO. The 3.2 motor has too high of compression, forcing air would just blow it up. I have the 3.2 and wish it would work too, but no performance mods for us!!!

[Outaline]

I'm sad to hear this too, in fact my car was just at the shop the other day getting some exterior upgrades and I was talking with the guys if they could make a turbo kit for the 3.2. That particular shop doesn't have the expertise in that but they said I should check out 303Motorsports or BlueWater Performance, as they specialize in Audi and Volkswagen. I don't want to get laughed at though when I walk in there and ask this haha, sucks that there is nothing to make the 3.2 faster.

[z06psi]

The new trend is high compression motors and forced induction controlled with water/methanol or running e85. Seems like a great many are doing it but detonation needs to be controlled precisely.

[Treedancer72]

Is it really that hard, i have put turbo on a few volvos, just need a good company that can help out with comp. Calculations and either change the crank or mod the pistons. Then someone that can tune it right. My workmate has made a turbocharged bmw e30 with a 3l engine. Is Audi really that different? I know its a lot of work but its fun as you go along. Not sure it would be chep but it sure must be doable! :-)

[SinCityA6]

Anything is doable with a deep pocket. Unfortunately, not may people can aford to do a whole redesign, install and testing for this type of conversion.

[Bopster6]

Forgive my ignorance and I maybe totally wrong but wouldn`t this work. May not be supercharger but not bad compromise
http://www.034motorsport.com/turboch...e-p-23350.html

[SinCityA6]

Forgive my ignorance and I maybe totally wrong but wouldn`t this work. May not be supercharger but not bad compromise
http://www.034motorsport.com/turboch...e-p-23350.html

This is for the 3.2 VR6 motor which I believe is very different internally (rods, pistons, cams, cranks etc). Compression is lower to accomidate the forced air system. Now, if you can find a 3.2 VR6 motor from a totaled A3 and can mate it up to the Tiptronic in our cars, this would work. Again, with enough money anything is possible.

[Cobra357]

There's been many posts on this forum mostly in the B8 / A4 section. Answer = NO. The 3.2 motor has too high of compression, forcing air would just blow it up. I have the 3.2 and wish it would work too, but no performance mods for us!!!

Thanks you I appreciate the response, but there have to be something that we can use although its a high compression motor.

[Cobra357]

I'm sad to hear this too, in fact my car was just at the shop the other day getting some exterior upgrades and I was talking with the guys if they could make a turbo kit for the 3.2. That particular shop doesn't have the expertise in that but they said I should check out 303Motorsports or BlueWater Performance, as they specialize in Audi and Volkswagen. I don't want to get laughed at though when I walk in there and ask this haha, sucks that there is nothing to make the 3.2 faster.

Thanks for the heads up, I will look into it. Atlease it's a lead.

[Cobra357]

The new trend is high compression motors and forced induction controlled with water/methanol or running e85. Seems like a great many are doing it but detonation needs to be controlled precisely.

Ok sound like a plan but for now I need to know if the supercharger would work with my motor. I can alway get someone to program it.

[Cobra357]

Is it really that hard, i have put turbo on a few volvos, just need a good company that can help out with comp. Calculations and either change the crank or mod the pistons. Then someone that can tune it right. My workmate has made a turbocharged bmw e30 with a 3l engine. Is Audi really that different? I know its a lot of work but its fun as you go along. Not sure it would be chep but it sure must be doable! :-)

Thanks I figured the same, I've someone to do the computer from JFonz and it would cost about $700 to program it.

[Cobra357]

This is for the 3.2 VR6 motor which I believe is very different internally (rods, pistons, cams, cranks etc). Compression is lower to accomidate the forced air system. Now, if you can find a 3.2 VR6 motor from a totaled A3 and can mate it up to the Tiptronic in our cars, this would work. Again, with enough money anything is possible.

I agree the 3.2 VR6 is a beast of a motor and has a few internals different from our 3.2. @ SINCITYA6 it would be sweet to put boast on this motor but I'm playing it safe thats why I would rather the supercharger over the turbo.

[SinCityA6]

I agree the 3.2 VR6 is a beast of a motor and has a few internals different from our 3.2. @ SINCITYA6 it would be sweet to put boast on this motor but I'm playing it safe thats why I would rather the supercharger over the turbo.

Well, if I am not mistaken,the 3.0t and be 3.2 are basically the same block (internal component differences resulting in the lower displacement) so THEORETICALLY, the intake manifold and supercharger from the 3.0t should bolt up. Getting it to work without grenading the motor is another story. If you do it, you would be the pioneer.

[IanCH]

Isnt the 3.2 VR6 a transverse mounted motor in most applications? engine mounting would be a challenge

[SinCityA6]

Isnt the 3.2 VR6 a transverse mounted motor in most applications? engine mounting would be a challenge

That could be. Does the A3 use the Quattro all wheel drive system of the Halladex (sp) system like the TT?

[Cobra357]

Well, if I am not mistaken,the 3.0t and be 3.2 are basically the same block (internal component differences resulting in the lower displacement) so THEORETICALLY, the intake manifold and supercharger from the 3.0t should bolt up. Getting it to work without grenading the motor is another story. If you do it, you would be the pioneer.

Thats my point the block looks like it's the same, after the computer is program I think it might work. There's a first time for everything so I will start looking into parts for everything. Thanks for the vote of confidence.

[Cobra357]

That could be. Does the A3 use the Quattro all wheel drive system of the Halladex (sp) system like the TT?

Yes it use the Quattro system but it's a 3.2 VR6 set up

[OmaHahn]

Thats my point the block looks like it's the same, after the computer is program I think it might work. There's a first time for everything so I will start looking into parts for everything. Thanks for the vote of confidence.

Please keep us posted and this thread going! Would love to see what you find out or come up with! 3.2T (supercharged) for the win!!!

[OmaHahn]

Just an FYI in case anyone was interested - I reached out to that company regarding the Turbo Kit for the 3.2 and here's the response:

Sorry to say the VR6 3.2 motor is completely different. It's a transverse style setup, and between the piston is 15 degrees. The A4 V6 is closer to the 2.7t s4 motor, but it has the fsi setup which makes it pretty hard to work with. There really isn't any tuning for those V6 motors.

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Jeremy Thurston
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[Cobra357]

Please keep us posted and this thread going! Would love to see what you find out or come up with! 3.2T (supercharged) for the win!!!

I will, just waiting to hear from a mechanic to confirm what I think. I figured more or less at Waterfest some knowledgeable should be there from Audi to pick their brain on the topic at hand before I start spending money.

[SlickMachine]

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[SpongeM]

Cobra do you have a back up car? (in preparation for the downtime you will have.)

In my opnion you can do so much more with your money; as you wont recoop any of it if you sell the car; you can sell your car and add money to get a 2009+ A6 that already has a supercharger, then buy a chip and add pulley. You will still spend less money than this new project (add a supercharger to the 3.2)

Check the B6 A4 forum about the 3.0 supercharger and how lack luster it turned out to be. It added power yes; but you will still get beaten by many stock cars.

Again that's my two cents.

[Cobra357]

Aaah sorry for the late response but to get a new C6 is taking on another head ache. SpongeM you make sense on what you're saying but I can get a used supercharger for about $900, compare to spend a few thousand for another ride. Lately I've done a lot maintenance on my car so it's kinda hard to walk away now. I made a few custom setup to my A6 that spending that money again going to hurt. Also to answer another question I do have a back up ride, but just wanted a little more power out of my motor.

[Klum00]

Cobra do you have a back up car? (in preparation for the downtime you will have.)

In my opnion you can do so much more with your money; as you wont recoop any of it if you sell the car; you can sell your car and add money to get a 2009+ A6 that already has a supercharger, then buy a chip and add pulley. You will still spend less money than this new project (add a supercharger to the 3.2)

Check the B6 A4 forum about the 3.0 supercharger and how lack luster it turned out to be. It added power yes; but you will still get beaten by many stock cars.

Again that's my two cents.

We have a winner! I promise you, the overall cost to make it safe and reliable will be more than just getting a 3.0

[MichaelBrown86]

My apologies in advance for reviving an old thread, but I thought this would be a fun mental exercise.


I use to own a B7 A4 2.0T long ago (2008), and now (2018), I own a B8 S4 3.0 Supercharged (I refuse to call it a 3.0T...stupid Germans)

That being said... Back then, I always found myself wondering why no one made a supercharger/turbocharger kit for the 3.2 V6 FSI

Today, I wonder why no one has slapped a B8 S4 Supercharger on the 3.2's.


Many of you bring up issues with the 3.2 V6 FSI's high compression, but not necessarily whether the SC will actually fit.

I think the compression issue is the easiest to solve: In the Honda/Toyota/Nissan communities, many enthusiasts have found a way around high-compression by simply installing a thicker head-gasket so that they can turbocharge their engines without worry.


Has anyone actually test fitted the B8 S4 supercharger on the B7 A4 V6? I think with the compression issue solved, we may have a cheap upgrade for the A4 V6 crowd (I've seen used/rebuilt oem SC's from B8 S4's sell for easily under $1,000)


Food for thought.

[B. Rock]

At this point, with the price of 3.0T sedans - it'd be easy enough to sell the 3.2 car and buy a 3.0T car for about the price of the work described, possibly less. I'd take a factory setup any day over cobbled together parts, even if OEM.

Also - compression dropping headgaskets are very common in the 5 cyl Audi world, where they've got a disease and the only prescription is MORE TURBO!

[swoboda84]

Hi Michael Brown, this what you describe does not make any sense. Because the difference between these two engines is too big for this upgrade. The easiest way, you take your short block and build new engine, with another con rods, and pistons with your needed compression ratio.

this is mine 2.9 tfsi compretion ratio 9,5



But my engine is simple, nothing special.

Please take a look on this



Yeah, pay attention germans aren't stupid.

[95blkmax]

I personally think the BKH engine is plenty strong as long as you stay on top of it. It's a beatiful machine and if you take care if its shortcomings (timing tensioner/ guides and it's known oil and coolant leak spots) it will run forever. It's no Toyota engine of course, it's very sensitive as most modern German engines are. But as long as you give her what she wants, she'll be good to you. Like a wife, lolol.

With that said, I think that from a physical standpoint, this engine can take boost (within reason of course, and assuming you already did a compression and a leakdown test to check its health). The limiting factor for the C6 chassis is tuning and at some point, the transmission (I suspect the 6HP19A having a lower threshold than the 8HP in the C6.5s, but that's just an assumption based on feedback from modded C6.5'ers).

And this is something that pisses me off about this car. I really do love it, and I wish I could do engine stuff to it. But A- No one makes a cookie-cutter tune for those that just want to do bolt-ons (as if we had bolt-on, HA! ), and B- I've yet to find an end-user tuner that has our car in their list of software compatibles (such as EFILive or HPTuners). I get upset about it because, like myself, there's a few people on here with enough experience to do custom turbo setups and do the tuning ourselves. But with no realistic way to properly tune it, we're kinda stuck. I've contemplated doing indirect tuning with piggybacks like Greddy eManage or hell, even an Apexi VAFC2 (oh yea... I took it back to the mid-2000s kids! Nelly had just broken out with Country Grammar ). But without having direct control of ignition timing, you don't really have much of a margin of safety with our 12.5:1 compression. You can fix that with E85 (but no software to tune with...). You can also bandaid it with water/ meth injection. But again, that's a bandaid that should never be tuned in conjunction with (you tune it on boost by itself, and reap the added power and safety from the water/ meth). The day the injection's pump/ relay/ switch fail and you go into boost, your rods will ram through the block. One COULD go full standalone (a Haltech Elite 550 starts at $850). But then there's the issue of if the car will run at all with a standalone in place of the ECU... since the immobilizer, cache module, and various other modules in the car all work in conjunction with a functioning ECU. I'm sure there are ways to make that work, but it's certainly passed my paygrade.

Anyone here have experience with standalones on cars with CANBUS? I honestly think this would be the only option left for C6 owners if the rest of the modules can be kept happy. Wire up a standalone, add one (or 2, one for each bank) wideband o2 sensor, and tune it yourself. Once you can tune the car, the boost is the easy part (if you have the experience of course, lol).

[95blkmax]

Yeah, pay attention germans aren't stupid.

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[Kevin1]

The 3.2 is an anemic engine. Don’t bother trying to make it something it will never be. Save your money and buy a 3.0t.

[MichaelBrown86]

At this point, with the price of 3.0T sedans - it'd be easy enough to sell the 3.2 car and buy a 3.0T car for about the price of the work described, possibly less. I'd take a factory setup any day over cobbled together parts, even if OEM

Hi Michael Brown, this what you describe does not make any sense. Because the difference between these two engines is too big for this upgrade. The easiest way, you take your short block and build new engine, with another con rods, and pistons with your needed compression ratio.

The 3.2 is an anemic engine. Don’t bother trying to make it something it will never be. Save your money and buy a 3.0t.

This isn't really a question of if it makes sense, or would be cost efficient. I'm asking if it's actually, physically, mechanically, possible.

[Kevin1]

This isn't really a question of if it makes sense, or would be cost efficient. I'm asking if it's actually, physically, mechanically, possible.

No

[JPJ2007]

It's just too easy to get a 3.0 and do a pulley and tune....

[SlickMachine]

The 3.2 is an anemic engine. Don’t bother trying to make it something it will never be. Save your money and buy a 3.0t.

I can vouch for that.

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[cal3thousand]

This isn't really a question of if it makes sense, or would be cost efficient. I'm asking if it's actually, physically, mechanically, possible.

With enough money anything is possible.

Stroke the motor and get the compression right and you can boost it. But that's what Audi already did to the 3.2 to get to the 3.0t. Of course they also upgraded the head to match.

Order of ease to get a boosted A6:

A) Sell 3.2, buy 3.0t
B) motor swap (plus ALL the other crap that would need to be swapped)
C) Do what Audi did and reinvent the 3.0t

You could skip all this crap with a 50 shot of nitrous

[JoshPlumeri]

I’ll let everyone know I’m finishing up making adaptor plates

[skemes]

Adaptor plates to fit the supercharger onto the 3.2 engine?

[JoshPlumeri]

Well, if I am not mistaken,the 3.0t and be 3.2 are basically the same block (internal component differences resulting in the lower displacement) so THEORETICALLY, the intake manifold and supercharger from the 3.0t should bolt up. Getting it to work without grenading the motor is another story. If you do it, you would be the pioneer.

I'm doing this as we speak, adaptor plates needed to be made

[JPJ2007]

In for progress if you're going forward with it. With the miles I have I wouldn't mind chancing my motor. I was going to go 4.2 when my 3.2 blows up but not sure yet.