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    Established Member Two Rings mobile S4's Avatar
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    Driving a Porsche outside Las Vegas and how it compares to S4

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    Stuck inside in Boston so thought I would post some pics, vids, and thoughts on the 2013 Porsche Boxster I rented in Vegas.

    I flew into Vegas last weekend for a work conference, and didn't want to waste a Sunday gambling like I usually do, so I thought I'd rent a cool car and explore outside of Vegas. It was a last minute thing, so there weren't many cool cars available without renting from some shady supercar place (still might do this soon). It was also 4pm on a Sunday so didn’t have much time to get the car and see the desert while it was still light out.

    Love German cars so picked Boxster over convertable Camero SS. Maybe I should have gone with the Camero - maybe I’ll do this next time. I wish it was the Boxster S, but no luck. Had an awesome time though, pretty fun car to drive coming from a long line of sedans, and never having driven a mid engined car before. Car is really well balanced. As you can see below I went to Red Rock National Canyon, which has a 12 mile scenic drive with a number of really nice twists and turns. Pretty low speed limit of 35mph, but I kept it in 2nd gear most of the time to listen to the exhaust, which sounds pretty good. Even at 35-40mph I was yanking the thing around some pretty tight corners in the park and it felt amazing. Sounded great in 2nd gear as well - I didn't turn on the radio the entire time I was in the car.

    Pretty different cars the Boxster and S4, but worth comparing nonetheless. I already mentioned handling which was very planted, but one thing that disappointed me was the acceleration. It is the base model, but even so it was pretty slow. It didn't have the urgency that I feel in the S4, and given it is naturally aspirated you had to really crank it up to get any real sense of acceleration. No surprise for some of you, but this came as a little bit of a shock to me when I was passing cars on the two lane road back to Vegas...

    I did love the car, but shifter (non) paddles, whatever the hell their called, suck royally. In the pic below you can see them. They are maddening for someone coming from the S4’s DSG. For the 5 hours I drove the car - more than a couple times I downshifted when I meant to upshift. A stupid design I think. Regardless of which side of the steering wheel you used - pulling towards you downshifts, pushing away upshifts. As an owner I'm sure one would get used to it, but even so I couldn't see a way to comfortably position my hands and still upshift easily.

    That said, the transmission was also one of the highlights of the car. In my DSG S4, if I shift from first to second below 2500rpm or so, in manual mode, the car stutters a little, above that it's solid. In the Porsche no matter what gear or speed, shifts were lightening quick and without fuss. The DSG is quick, the Boxster is even faster. And the transmission just felt bulletproof. Will attribute this to the rental car “I don’t really give a shit” scenario, but it was still great. Another plus was a huge dedicated gear indicator screen helped a lot - S4 needs this bad.

    On to the pics and movies.

    Wheel with stupid shifters


    Acceleration from standstill - topping out in 2nd gear


    Driving by Red Rocks...


    The Road ahead
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    Looks like fun. If you don't mind me asking, who rents these and how much?
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    It was Hertz. Walked around to the other agencies in the Vegas airport car rental center and they had the best cars. It was $330 for the day - kind of a lot, but a last minute idea. Next time I'll price out a supercar or better porsche and spend more time in the car.

    Hertz did have a Ferrari California for $1500/day...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose201 View Post
    Looks like fun. If you don't mind me asking, who rents these and how much?
    was going to ask the same, who did you rent this from? I know some of the big guys rent luxury cars but have never seen a porsche!

    The PDK is lightyears ahead of the DSG transmission.
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    Can't see the videos or pics at work, but I rented a base Cayman last year and felt pretty much the same as you: great handling but coming from an S4 you'll be disappointed in the power delivery, not that it's a fair comparison (NA vs. SC). Another thing I didn't really like was the interior layout of the Cayman, but that's greatly improved in 2013. I wouldn't trade the S4 with a Boxster/Cayman but I'd love to have one as a 2nd car. It'll be a really nice upgrade from the MR2.

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    I test drove a Cayman S MT late last year, and even with the S, I felt the S4's acceleration to be superior.

    Also took out a Carrera 4S PDK. Acceleration brought a tear to my eye. Wasn't as tight around corners because the rear engine doesn't inspire as much confidence the Cayman's mid-engine layout. But the AWD and traction control kept it from leaving the road.

    Agree on the PDK's superiority to the DSG. Porsches in general are just very (very) well engineered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theKB View Post
    was going to ask the same, who did you rent this from? I know some of the big guys rent luxury cars but have never seen a porsche!

    The PDK is lightyears ahead of the DSG transmission.


    I drove a 911 S with PDK a couple of weeks ago... in manual mode the shifts are marginally quicker on PDK and you have a real sport mode with sport chrono in auto mode.... apart from this, I see no difference between DSG and PDK.

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    Hertz seems to have really awesome rental cars...I rented a convertible corvette when I visited SF last month for about $220 for the day. They also had a number of Porsche's on hand, including a Panemera and Cayenne, and also had an R8!
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    I always have good experience with Hertz for rental cars but never tried the Porsche. I think I should try it next time I am going on business trip, the rent for this kinda car would be on my tab though.

    Many rental car companies provide very shitty cars, not that their service is any better. I found Hertz is great at both.
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    drive a real porsche aka 911 gt3/turbo and you'll be blown away by how amazing these cars are

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    Wife got a base boxster while her Cayenne S was in service, I left it off for her.

    First 60 minutes driving: I am in love. looks and handles like a Ferrari.
    Next 90 minutes: This thing is kinda slow, missed a redlight I would have made by a mile in the S4. plus can''t step on the gas without attracting the attention of every cop for 5 miles.
    Morning commute: CRAP where is the cupholder? does it even have one? What kind of crap stereo is this? This car is T-I-N-Y

    Verdict: At the track or parked an unqualified win, as a Daily Driver avoid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itzjonjon69 View Post
    drive a real porsche aka 911 gt3/turbo and you'll be blown away by how amazing these cars are
    GT3 owner here. I can vouch for this^^. The GT3 is just incredible around the track. The perfect balance of power. However, the S4 had something the GT3 didnt. That was torque. In the S4 when you launched it you could feel the acceleration. The GT3 is quick but you just dont feel that kick in acceleration when rolling of the line.
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    Ahhhh......Porsche.

    I just drove a Panamera S for a week. Weird looking at first, but it grew on me. Having driven the Turbo and Turbo S, the regular S was nowhere near as fast but was still plenty fast. GTS is somewhere in between. If you must have a 4 door with room for 4 and AWD, the 4S is a better choice all around than an S4 as far as comfort, handling, exclusivity and whatnot (but for a higher price of course). The regular Panamera was ok as well, but I probably would go with an S4 before that one.

    As far as DD in concerned if you need some room or have kids, a Boxster or Cayman will not work for most and it seems hard to justify the price of those loaded vs. a semi-stripped 911 or a used and loaded 911.

    911 (of almost any flavor - 911 up to GT3/Turbo) works no matter what, as it is simply is one of the finest driving, handling and most engaging cars to drive that has ever been built. However, when I need a 911-like driving experience, I drive my wife's M3. It is simply incredible and surprisingly satisfying on an all-around basis:

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    The Cayenne S I drive every day is a fantastic DD, actually faster than you would really need on the street (not sure what I would actually do with a Cayenne Turbo/Turbo S), with AWD and all the room as well. It does not drive like an SUV (but gets awful gas mileage), can tow a huge boat and in Sport mode handles and performs as well as many higher end "sport" sedans and coupes.

    YMMV.

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    Of course the s4 is going to be faster, especially tuned... But when u get a boxster you need to get the s for sure... The base boxster is weak as you mentioned. Not a replacement to the s4 but for sure a wonderful addition. Also, the boxster must be had in a 6mt... Especially the base model...

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    Driving a Porsche outside Las Vegas and how it compares to S4

    I had an 09 Cayman S and loved it. It was faster than my S4. Way more fun all around. Wouldn't have gotten rid of it but Porsche wouldn't fix the horrendous brake squeal it had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adamkb26 View Post
    I had an 09 Cayman S and loved it. It was faster than my S4. Way more fun all around. Wouldn't have gotten rid of it but Porsche wouldn't fix the horrendous brake squeal it had.
    Looks like we are two peas in a pod. I also had a Cayman S before my S4. I miss it a lot, in fact im planning on getting into another cayman in a year or so. To me it was the perfect daily!
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    Palm Springs airport has mostly luxury cars. 3 series, 5 series, Z4 and the usual suspects. But then they also had a new 991, Corvettes, and a lot of other high end sports cars.

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