B8 APR Stage 2 0-60

[oc cc]

Hey guys, my friend has an Evo X and he borrowed a "Gtech Pro SS" or something like that (I forgot the name). His Evo stock did 0-60 in 4.7 and after a cobb tune he is 4.3 with 330awhp (he logged it through his Cobb access port though). He set up the borrowed Gtech in my car for the run.

Preliminary info:
My only performance mods are EuroCode HFC + Billy Boat Catback exhaust + APR stage 2. I only did one run, traction control completely off, and launch in sport mode from 0 mph. My wheels weigh 26 lbs each.


I did 0-60 in 5.6 seconds. Not sure how accurate this Gtech is (I never heard of it before). He says his cobb is pretty accurate, so I will see if I can plug it into OBDII and get another run with that as well. This estimate seems about right though. A few weeks ago a douche in a brand new Genesis 2.0T was tailing me on the freeway on ramp and pulled next to me. At the time I was stage 1 and he smoked my ass (30-80 he pulled like 3 cars on me). I imagine I will now be neck to neck with a Genesis 2.0T. I think even with all the bolt ons (FMIC, piping, etc) the best I could do is low 5s. The fact of the matter is that the engine is stout, but at almost 4000 lbs the car is way too heavy. This thing will def need a turbo upgrade for sure to be considered "fast". Me and Thomas will be doing some runs on a private road between our Stage 2 (he is Revo), and we will post videos of our results. All the cars that stomp me (G37 for example) he can beat, which has to mean that his tune is a more aggressive.

[Alex1188]

I'm smoke the doors off the new genesis at the track all the time and I'm stage two,I would beat them stage 1 when I had it also... They run high 14s stock quarter mile

[oc cc]

I don't get it, from what I could tell my avant is only 50 lbs heavier than the sedan. My wheels, though not light, are not particularly heavy either. Maybe it is not as accurate?

[oc cc]

Btw when I was stage 1 I still could not beat my friends 2004 G35 sedan (260hp/260tq). We did multiple runs (in Mexico ) and every single fricken time he was a half car ahead of me.

[TCHUN003]

I must be a better driver than you lol. It takes a whole lot of skill to drive these auto trans avants

[ryank382]

i dont understand how the genesis pulled 3 cars on you from 30-80. i did a short 30-65 pull with my friends genesis and i had the lead by just a couple feet until about 55 when he started pulling. after 60 it was no comparison he was killing me, but with a stage 1 genesis should be no problem. maybe its because i have a 6mt sedan? anyways excited to see a comparison with revo

[dracolnyte]

sounds about right for 5.6 0-60. When I did my stage 2 0-62 I got 6.2 and that is without brake launching. I rather trust this piece of equipment than youtube videos frame by frame. even if it is off, at least it is consistent, knowing that our cars are 1.3 seconds slower than a modded evo.

Also when I tested it, I got better times in manual mode by letting it shift by itself, than in sport mode.

[A4 Centaur]

Next time ditch your spare tire and pull the rear seats, passenger seat, sunroof, and don't eat or drink for 24 hours prior to your Mexico gig.

That will put your GVWR closer to the compact car weight you are up against.

[Calbee]

maybe the genesis was tuned..? they make good power lol, better than our cars

[A4 Centaur]

2013 has an "R" Spec version with previous 3.6 Ltr. and now a 4.6 Ltr?

I though it also won 2012 Pikes Peak Hill Climb with a fat Garrett Turbo as well.

The Korean's are kicking but!

(EDIT): http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbob...6th%20in%20GRC

[gunsmoker]

I don't get it, from what I could tell my avant is only 50 lbs heavier than the sedan. My wheels, though not light, are not particularly heavy either. Maybe it is not as accurate?

You wish. The avant is 200lb heavier than the quattro sedan.

[48855]

genesis coupe has 2.0turbo or NA 3.8 the r specs on these are the same. Different interior etc but same power
genesis sedan has 3.8 4.6 NA. R specs are a 5.0 NA

[cory_can]

2013 has an "R" Spec version with previous 3.6 Ltr. and now a 4.6 Ltr?

I though it also won 2012 Pikes Peak Hill Climb with a fat Garrett Turbo as well.

The Korean's are kicking but!

The car that competed in Pikes peak has nothing to do with a street Genesis expect that is "used to" be a 3.6.

"Will anything remain of the stock Genesis after RMR is done? The lighting elements and the window cutouts. That’s it."

You wish. The avant is 200lb heavier than the quattro sedan.

The Avant is 45kg (99lbs) heavier than the same spec'd sedan.

[dscline]

The fact of the matter is that the engine is stout, but at almost 4000 lbs the car is way too heavy. This thing will def need a turbo upgrade for sure to be considered "fast".

I think we'd have a hard time getting the A4 to compete with lighter cars in 0-60. Sure, you can make the car fast with a bigger turbo, but along with a bigger turbo comes more lag, which hurts you off the line. While it's just a spreadsheet simulation, this graph estimates APR's 100 oct Stg 2 acceleration to their 100 oct K04 V2 tune (dashed is Stg2):



And I forgot to add in driver weight when I ran that, which would favor Stg 2 slightly more. Granted, a spreadsheet simulation may not be completely accurate, but that spreadsheet does take into account weight, traction, power band, shift points, and drag, so you can at least see the effects of the various variables. A bigger turbo will make you fly once you get going. The problem is in a 0-60 run the initial time hit it takes to spool sticks with you for the entire run, so even once you're making more power you have to use some of that to play catch-up. There's just not enough time in 0-60. After that is another story.

We do have the AWD advantage, so traction generally isn't an issue. But 4000lbs is a lot of weight to get off the line.

[A4 Centaur]

The car that competed in Pikes peak has nothing to do with a street Genesis expect that is "used to" be a 3.6.

"Will anything remain of the stock Genesis after RMR is done? The lighting elements and the window cutouts. That’s it."




The Avant is 45kg (99lbs) heavier than the same spec'd sedan.

No kidding. Most vehicles competing in the PPHC aren't stock. I didn't see your car there last year. Audi Club hosted a great 2 day event. His car didn't look too stock in person either. However, he was running a Garrett GTX Turbo and stickers all over his car:

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/08/17/r...ill-climb-run/

(EDIT):http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbob...6th%20in%20GRC

[cory_can]

I didn't see your car there last year.

What is that suppose to mean?

"I though it also won 2012 Pikes Peak Hill Climb with a fat Garrett Turbo as well."

You were talking as if "it" (a 3.8L R Spec) won Pike Peak with just a turbo slapped on it.

[oc cc]

Is there anyway to put in a proper launch control in this thing? The new GTX turbos spool relatively quickly, and with LC I bet it would be quick off the line. I spoke with an Evo guru last night, his best friend owns a shop and he made a supercharger kit for his RS4. The Evo guy said the K03 can be modified to make a little more power, and he does custom tunes. Maybe I can squeeze some more power out of it for relatively cheap $$$$

[gunsmoker]

The Avant is 45kg (99lbs) heavier than the same spec'd sedan.

Where did you see that? I remember when they had it on audiusa it was 200lb difference. You can see that also on cars.com:
http://www.cars.com/audi/a4/2012/spe...=USC20AUC017A0

3616lb vs 3814lb

I remember someone on AZ weighed the manual sedan at around 3500lb.

[cory_can]

^ it was in the 2009 model booklet.

Tiptronic Quattro premium sedan - 1685kg

Tiptronic Quattro premium Avant - 1730kg

[gunsmoker]

^1730kg is exactly 3814lb. The 2013 manual is listed as 3616lb, the tip is 3685, and the multitronic is listed as 3509lb.
Bottom line is, the avant is about 198lb heavier than the manual sedan and 129lb heavier than the tip sedan.

[cory_can]

^1730kg is exactly 3814lb. The 2013 manual is listed as 3616lb, the tip is 3685, and the multitronic is listed as 3509lb.
Bottom line is, the avant is about 198lb heavier than the manual sedan and 129lb heavier than the tip sedan.

You're comparing my 09 figures for the Avant with the '13 figures for the sedan.

If you want to use 2013 figures how about an apple to apples comparison (from audi.co.uk) with the same equipment spec...

"Unladen Weight" (no driver).
2013 2.0 TFSI Quattro S-tronic Saloon = 1570kg
2013 2.0 TFSI Quattro S-tronic Avant = 1610kg
2013 2.0 TFSI Quattro S-tronic AllRoad = 1650kg

"Bottom line".....according to these numbers the Avant body adds 40kg or ~88lbs and the Allroad "package" adds another 40kg on top of the Avant.

Also, according to the audi.co.uk specs the manual is 30kg lighter than the S-Tronic. I'm not sure the weight difference between the S-Tronic and Tiptronic.

[oc cc]

You're comparing my 09 figures for the Avant with the '13 figures for the sedan.

If you want to use 2013 figures how about an apple to apples comparison (from audi.co.uk) with the same equipment spec...

"Unladen Weight" (no driver).
2013 2.0 TFSI Quattro S-tronic Saloon = 1570kg
2013 2.0 TFSI Quattro S-tronic Avant = 1610kg
2013 2.0 TFSI Quattro S-tronic AllRoad = 1650kg

"Bottom line".....according to these numbers the Avant body adds 40kg or ~88lbs and the Allroad "package" adds another 40kg on top of the Avant.

Also, according to the audi.co.uk specs the manual is 30kg lighter than the S-Tronic. I'm not sure the weight difference between the S-Tronic and Tiptronic.

It's funny how you have more journalistic integrity to be as accurate as possible than the entire US media lol

[dracolnyte]

You're comparing my 09 figures for the Avant with the '13 figures for the sedan.

If you want to use 2013 figures how about an apple to apples comparison (from audi.co.uk) with the same equipment spec...

"Unladen Weight" (no driver).
2013 2.0 TFSI Quattro S-tronic Saloon = 1570kg
2013 2.0 TFSI Quattro S-tronic Avant = 1610kg
2013 2.0 TFSI Quattro S-tronic AllRoad = 1650kg

"Bottom line".....according to these numbers the Avant body adds 40kg or ~88lbs and the Allroad "package" adds another 40kg on top of the Avant.

Also, according to the audi.co.uk specs the manual is 30kg lighter than the S-Tronic. I'm not sure the weight difference between the S-Tronic and Tiptronic.

appreciate this clarification for all of us

[gunsmoker]

You're comparing my 09 figures for the Avant with the '13 figures for the sedan.

I did better than that. Don't underestimate me ;)
I took the available figures for 2012 from cars.com. They had three - avant which matched your 2009 figure after converting it to lb, a quattro sedan that matched the audiusa.com figure for the 2013 manual sedan, and a fronttrak sedan that matched the audiusa.com figure for 2013 for the fronttrak. This tells me audiusa either never updated the figures over the years or they are quoting the same numbers for 2013 as in previous years.
I wouldn't compare with the UK figures because those are lighter due to the different European regulations.

[cory_can]

We can probably dispute the available data indefinitely but I'm sure we can agree that the Avant weighs greater than 50lbs more and much less than 200lbs. compared to a similarly spec'd sedan. I've always used ~100lbs.

[oc cc]

I don't get how Stasis advertises 0-60 in 5.3 seconds with just their tune. Someone please explain THAT to me.

[PaperishPlastic]

I don't get how Stasis advertises 0-60 in 5.3 seconds with just their tune. Someone please explain THAT to me.

Easy, Manual sedan and a driver that's not a douche.

[gunsmoker]

I don't get how Stasis advertises 0-60 in 5.3 seconds with just their tune. Someone please explain THAT to me.

Why not if "Car and Driver" could get 5.6s form the stock tiptronic sedan and Miles Maroney could do less than 5s with his stage 2. See his video. Either something is not right with your whip or you could work on your brake-launching skills. I haven't measured my 6MT but it feels like a very low fiver when it's at its best. I'm going to do a video when the weather gets better around here to prove myself right or wrong and record also the exhaust when I'm at it.

[TEXAS-AVANT]

Hey guys, my friend has an Evo X and he borrowed a "Gtech Pro SS" or something like that (I forgot the name). His Evo stock did 0-60 in 4.7 and after a cobb tune he is 4.3 with 330awhp (he logged it through his Cobb access port though). He set up the borrowed Gtech in my car for the run.

Preliminary info:
My only performance mods are EuroCode HFC + Billy Boat Catback exhaust + APR stage 2. I only did one run, traction control completely off, and launch in sport mode from 0 mph. My wheels weigh 26 lbs each.


I did 0-60 in 5.6 seconds. Not sure how accurate this Gtech is (I never heard of it before). He says his cobb is pretty accurate, so I will see if I can plug it into OBDII and get another run with that as well. This estimate seems about right though. A few weeks ago a douche in a brand new Genesis 2.0T was tailing me on the freeway on ramp and pulled next to me. At the time I was stage 1 and he smoked my ass (30-80 he pulled like 3 cars on me). I imagine I will now be neck to neck with a Genesis 2.0T. I think even with all the bolt ons (FMIC, piping, etc) the best I could do is low 5s. The fact of the matter is that the engine is stout, but at almost 4000 lbs the car is way too heavy. This thing will def need a turbo upgrade for sure to be considered "fast". Me and Thomas will be doing some runs on a private road between our Stage 2 (he is Revo), and we will post videos of our results. All the cars that stomp me (G37 for example) he can beat, which has to mean that his tune is a more aggressive.

Sounds accurate. With K04 you will reduce this time the 5s in the Avant and high 4s in sedan MT.
Proabable the Genesis 2.0T was tuned, there are a lot of them tuned on the streets...

[zosicck]

Boys boys boys!!!..... Don't play with those other imports.... That's why I have a zo6 for a weekend driver to hunt down those imports that try to pick on my audi......0 to 60, 3.4....., high 10s quarter mile....

[Fburg A4]

Where the heck do people just start racing on the road? Is there a special bumper sticker to let othets know you want to race or what?

[zosicck]

Where the heck do people just start racing on the road? Is there a special bumper sticker to let othets know you want to race or what?

For some reason or another, once you start having rims and lowering ur car, it automatically turns into , "look at me, I'm a racer".... When I first got my A4 in stock form, nobody wanted to race me..... Now with it being lowered with rims, all the import fanboys want a piece of the action....... Strange , but true.....

[A4 Centaur]

Like the joker driving the Z06 last year in Denver, guess he thought I had an RS4 Avant?

[TCHUN003]

For some reason or another, once you start having rims and lowering ur car, it automatically turns into , "look at me, I'm a racer".... When I first got my A4 in stock form, nobody wanted to race me..... Now with it being lowered with rims, all the import fanboys want a piece of the action....... Strange , but true.....

True story. I need a z06 in my life. BTW I just took the NCLEX this morning and passed! I'm so excited Dennis

[Fburg A4]

Haha ok. I always wondered how it worked

[zosicck]

True story. I need a z06 in my life. BTW I just took the NCLEX this morning and passed! I'm so excited Dennis

Dude, Thomas!!! Congrats man!!!! All that fucking hard work at school gonna pay off !! Hit me up if you need a reference !... Damn, you got the results already??? The same day?? When I first took at 13 years ago, I had to wait two weeks in the mail!!! Congrats again!!

[dame drizzo]

True story. I need a z06 in my life. BTW I just took the NCLEX this morning and passed! I'm so excited Dennis

As soon as i got my roof vinyled black on my 2010 b8 everybody and their mother wanted to race me... but i shamed all of them =]

[Frinkferta]

You going to head up to Nor Cal for work?

True story. I need a z06 in my life. BTW I just took the NCLEX this morning and passed! I'm so excited Dennis

[TCHUN003]

As soon as i got my roof vinyled black on my 2010 b8 everybody and their mother wanted to race me... but i shamed all of them =]

You made us B8 A4 guys look good. I bet ppl wouldn't mess with A4's in your area after trying to pull on your stealth BT

You going to head up to Nor Cal for work?

I have a job offering 3 minutes from my house, but after I get experience and get my NP in 2-3 years, I definitely plan on it!

[ryank382]

Anybody feel kinda slower or just the same after stage 2? I just got the apr HFC+DP and went apr stage 2 and I don't really feel faster. 3rd and 5th specifically feel a tiny bit more sluggish. Maybe its just smoother and doesn't feel faster but really is? Or it has to break in maybe?