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    Veteran Member Three Rings John4378's Avatar
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    Fault Code P0171

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    My car popped a CEL the other day and the code was P0171 - Bank 1 Lean.

    I searched the forums and didn't come up with a resolution to exactly what I'm experiencing....

    The CEL came on last week, and I got it read. After getting it read, I cleared it with APR software. The CEL stayed off for 3-4 days and then returned. My independent mechanic (very, very good with VW/Audi/Porsche vehicles) said it is most likely a leak somewhere, but won't know until he can look at it. The car seems to run fine, but I have to keep clearing the CEL every 3-4 days.

    I won't be able to get it into his shop for another week. So, my questions for the community are:

    1. Has anyone experienced this exact problem?
    2. If so, what was the problem?

    Thank you in advance.
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    Check your intake manifold, the tumbler flaps are a common failure area and can cause vacuum leaks.
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    quick Google search brought up this:

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    What does that mean?

    Basically this means that an oxygen sensor in bank 1 has detected a lean condition (too much oxygen in the exhaust). On V6/V8/V10 engines, Bank 1 is the side of the engine that has cylinder #1. The P0171 is one of the more common trouble codes.

    This code is triggered by the first downstream (front) O2 sensor. The sensor provides a reading of the air:fuel ratio leaving the engine's cylinders, and the vehicles powertrain/engine control module (PCM/ECM) uses that reading and adjusts to keep the engine running at that optimum ratio of 14.7:1. If something is not right and the PCM cannot maintain the 14.7:1 ratio, but rather there is too much air, it triggers this code.

    You'll want to also read our article on short and long term fuel trims to help understand the operation of the engine. Note: This DTC is very similar to P0174, and in fact your vehicle may show both codes at the same time.
    Symptoms

    You will more than likely not notice any drivability problems, although there may be symptoms such as:

    a lack of power
    detonation (spark knock)
    rough idle
    hesitation/surge on acceleration.

    Causes

    A code P0171 may mean that one or more of the following has happened:

    The MAF (Mass Air Flow) Sensor is dirty or faulty
    Note: The use of "oiled" air filters may cause the MAF to become dirty if the filter is over-oiled. There is also an issue with some vehicles where the MAF sensors leak the silicone potting material used to protect the circuitry.
    There could be a vacuum leak downstream of the MAF sensor
    Possible cracked vacuum or PCV line/connection
    Faulty or stuck open PCV valve
    Failed or faulty oxygen sensor (bank 1, sensor 1)
    Sticking/plugged or failed fuel injector
    Low fuel pressure (possible plugged/dirty fuel filter!)
    Exhaust leak between engine and first oxygen sensor

    Possible Solutions

    A lot of times, cleaning the MAF sensor and finding/fixing vacuum leaks fix the problem. If you're on a tight budget, start there, but that may not be the fix for certain. So, possible solutions include:

    Clean the MAF sensor. Consult your service manual for it's location if you need help. I find it's best to take it off and spray it with electronics cleaner or brake cleaner. Make sure you are careful not to damage the MAF sensor, and make sure it's dry before reinstalling
    Inspect all vacuum and PCV hoses, replace/repair as required
    Inspect all hoses and connections in the air intake system
    Inspect and/or test the intake manifold gaskets for leakage
    Check for a dirty fuel filter and proper fuel pressure
    Ideally you'll want to monitor short and long term fuel trims using an advanced scan tool
    If you have access, you may want to run a smoke test
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    Thanks rippin'. I am thinking it is a vacuum leak of some sort but am wondering why the CEL clears for 3-4 days, then comes back. It seems to me that it should come back relatively quickly.

    I know it is not the intake manifold because I already had that replaced at 17k miles and the car hesitated like bucking bronco at idle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John4378 View Post
    Thanks rippin'. I am thinking it is a vacuum leak of some sort but am wondering why the CEL clears for 3-4 days, then comes back. It seems to me that it should come back relatively quickly.

    I know it is not the intake manifold because I already had that replaced at 17k miles and the car hesitated like bucking bronco at idle.
    FWIW, when my intake manifold blow the second time, I did not have the bucking bronco effect.

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