Torque converter gonna shit out soon, ko4 TIP guys need help

[hazard860]

so i got the code we all fear yesterday so i rather start prepping now before shit hits the fan, i know there's been a lot of talk about the subject but just wanna know about the latest and greatest t/c i can get. is 517 still the shit, or scotty's t/c? i heard good stuff about the vast t/c but they went bust... so what the cream of the crop when it comes to t/c's? stage 3 ko4 car so it's gotta hold up..

[LINDW4LL]

Why not do a 6 speed swap? Just curious. It's just a matter of time before it happens again.

[hazard860]

true, and that's what i'm debating now, i dont have 3k to dump on a full 6spd swap, but in the end its what will have to happen...if i could get the parts for a grand and labor for a grand or any confiuartion that will match up to 2k then i would do it...

[I RAC3]

have the same issue. i'd love to do the swap, but i don't have that kind of money

[hazard860]

same boat

[LowA4]

I used 517 in both my autos and they are great tc's. You can't go wrong with Scotty though, he's good people and his products are top notch.

[Vinchenzo51]

Try and find a 6mt parts car, with a grenaded engine or something. I picked up mine for $1500 and it had all the parts I needed. You can part the rest of the car out and make most of your money back. All you'd be out is labor.

Good luck in whichever you choose.

[Scotty@Advanced]

I can do a manual swap with rebuilt trans and NEW RS4 clutch for $2900 plus shipping. i can also do the torque converter, I've got a few different setups for those, however I'll warn that there are many issue with the tip trans, the converter is one of them, but tips have not been the most reliable setup for stage III and above power.

[qpdb]

$2900 includes all the 6sp parts?

[sjmelling]

$2900 includes all the 6sp parts?

x2? I would be much more interested at this price point if it was inclusive.

[hodrosS42001]

I have had that code on an off for over a year.. and there are members here that have had that code on and off for years.

No tc will hold full stage 3 power for long anyway..

[Scotty@Advanced]

$2900 includes:

Overhauled Transmission (many gearing options available for $$$)
Resurfaced DMF
Prop shaft (or can include Single piece shaft for $$$)
Front axles
Pedal cluster
RS4 clutch kit (new)
complete shifter assembly without boot, knob or trim
Cast trans mounts (can re-use your auto trans rubber mounts)
4.11 rear diff (or can use 3.89 front diff to match rear for extra $$)
Clutch pedal switches
Engine to trans hardware
New flywheel bolts

All that is needed is shipping ($250) labor, ecm reflashing/recoding and connect the reverse light switch to the factory TCM harness (which I can help with).

If you want a turnkey conversion labor is a flat $1000.00 bucks and will take 3-5 days if you can get the car to my shop.

[Reich]

Sadly there's no build option for a tip.
I have a 3500 dodge with lots of power. Dodge's 48re is a very fragile transmission to begin with, but at least there's tons of parts you can buy and upgrade.
I have the new red clutchs installed in. I've installed my self new billet 2nd gear piston double spring, new billet 4:1 second gear lever, new billet steel input shaft, Goerend triple clutch torque converter and goerend constant pressure valve body. Man that shift and hold strong. Everything you can get for 19fla is stock of fail torque converters from some companys that want to try. I can immagine how an S4 would be fast with that kind of shifting

[DynomiteTT]

2 years on a 517 VB and TC on my allroad, no issues. k04s, vast stage 3 minus tune.

Though if I had to do it over, I would go with a 6spd swap. Only because I'd like to go full stage 3 and I don't trust the Tips with that power.

But for just K04s, my built has been more than adequate.

[CELison]

not having a third pedal robs you of a major part of driving pleasure IMO

[hodrosS42001]

not having a third pedal robs you of a major part of driving pleasure IMO

Not having a third pedal saves you from a majority of the headache associated with driving. Lol

[Scotty@Advanced]

Not having a third pedal saves you from a majority of the headache associated with driving. Lol

But not the associated repair bills of a two pedal car! Tips with stage III or greater are hit or for some people it works, for others it doesn't.

[hodrosS42001]

But not the associated repair bills of a two pedal car! Tips with stage III or greater are hit or for some people it works, for others it doesn't.

You just need to know your limitations with a tiptronic. If you want 400hp at the wheels through an auto you shouldnt buy a tip s4 in the first place. Buy a mercedes instead.

[Scotty@Advanced]

If you want 400hp at the wheels through an auto you shouldnt buy a tip s4 in the first place. Buy a mercedes instead.

I'd have to agree with you there. But RWD.. Meh..

[hodrosS42001]

I'd have to agree with you there. But RWD.. Meh..

That's the thing. Here I go on a rant..

I bought my car with the impression it was stock.. thinking I wanted a sporty awd sedan. And that's exactly what it is.. I am obviously not stock and I am around 300awhp.. and I know I have to be happy with that and can't push anymore. Even though power is addictive and all. A good friend of my gf's family owns a w211 e55.. with modified pulley's for the super charger and a re-tune and meth. He's never been dyno'd but has 10.9s-11.2s 1/4 drag slips... and he drives it every day to work as his DD... it has nearly 180k miles on it and he's never had any issue with it.. ever. Only routine maintenance.

If you wanted some reliable "super automatic" car putting down a ton of hp.. you can't beat those Mercedes transmissions they are monsters.. but like you said RWD...

Up here in the North East we haven't gotten much snow this year, but we have had 2-3 ice storms in NJ... normally a condition that scares the hell out of you to drive. Even the other night I drove home about 45 minutes down 287 in the snow/ice storm we had.. and I saw atleast 4 cars spun out and multiple others on the side of the road stopped with emergency vehicles and in my S4.. I almost couldn't tell I wasn't on the dry..or a light rain... traction was unbelievable. There's something superspecial about Audi's and their Quattro systems.. that can't be described unless you drive one.. would I have wanted to drive that e55 in those conditions?

The fact is with every car and every platform there's limitations.. you just have to know them.

Edit: I do agree though, you're pricing for a swap seems very fair and a good deal for those who want to do such a swap.

[CELison]

Not having a third pedal saves you from a majority of the headache associated with driving. Lol

the major headache associated with driving is not having a third pedal. Basicly Mila said you can do her the old fashion way buy you said nah, ill throw this condom on

[hazard860]

fuck it, i'll just drive the tip to the ground and gather parts for a 6spd swap.

[hazard860]

whats the final drive for tip rear diff? can use a tip rear diff due to size?

$2900 includes:

Overhauled Transmission (many gearing options available for $$$)
Resurfaced DMF
Prop shaft (or can include Single piece shaft for $$$)
Front axles
Pedal cluster
RS4 clutch kit (new)
complete shifter assembly without boot, knob or trim
Cast trans mounts (can re-use your auto trans rubber mounts)
4.11 rear diff (or can use 3.89 front diff to match rear for extra $$)
Clutch pedal switches
Engine to trans hardware
New flywheel bolts

All that is needed is shipping ($250) labor, ecm reflashing/recoding and connect the reverse light switch to the factory TCM harness (which I can help with).

If you want a turnkey conversion labor is a flat $1000.00 bucks and will take 3-5 days if you can get the car to my shop.

[Scotty@Advanced]

whats the final drive for tip rear diff? can use a tip rear diff due to size?

Tip rear diffs are 3.89
6mt is 4.11

I can put a 3.89 final drive into a 6mt for higher gearing.

[ratherb1]

$2900 includes:

Overhauled Transmission (many gearing options available for $$$)
Resurfaced DMF
Prop shaft (or can include Single piece shaft for $$$)
Front axles
Pedal cluster
RS4 clutch kit (new)
complete shifter assembly without boot, knob or trim
Cast trans mounts (can re-use your auto trans rubber mounts)
4.11 rear diff (or can use 3.89 front diff to match rear for extra $$)
Clutch pedal switches
Engine to trans hardware
New flywheel bolts

All that is needed is shipping ($250) labor, ecm reflashing/recoding and connect the reverse light switch to the factory TCM harness (which I can help with).

If you want a turnkey conversion labor is a flat $1000.00 bucks and will take 3-5 days if you can get the car to my shop.

I wish you had a shop up in the north east somewhere......i don't thnk there is anyone as knoledgable as you in the north east, Atleast about our trannies ....labor charge isn't bad either

[hazard860]

so the rear diff body for a tip is different, yet you can just swap the diff over to a 6spd body ready diff, i was hoping i could just leave the tip rear diff in..but i bet everyone would be doing that if it worked...

Tip rear diffs are 3.89
6mt is 4.11

I can put a 3.89 final drive into a 6mt for higher gearing.

[fluevog]

Not having a third pedal saves you from a majority of the headache associated with driving. Lol

A C5 RS6 wheel with paddle shifters with my Stage 3 tip is pretty fun in daily North East traffic.

awhp is only around 315hp for now to ensure the new rebuilt tip w/ 517 TC can handle the power. Seems to run fine. I may have EPL increase another 40 to 50 hp this spring. Anything over 350 awhp would be rolling the dice reliability wise with a tip.

[xalents23]

A C5 RS6 wheel with paddle shifters with my Stage 3 tip is pretty fun in daily North East traffic.

awhp is only around 315hp for now to ensure the new rebuilt tip w/ 517 TC can handle the power. Seems to run fine. I may have EPL increase another 40 to 50 hp this spring. Anything over 350 awhp would be rolling the dice reliability wise with a tip.

Nice setup, you give me hope in going stage 3 on my tiptronic S4. How much torque are you putting down?

[LINDW4LL]

A C5 RS6 wheel with paddle shifters with my Stage 3 tip is pretty fun in daily North East traffic.

awhp is only around 315hp for now to ensure the new rebuilt tip w/ 517 TC can handle the power. Seems to run fine. I may have EPL increase another 40 to 50 hp this spring. Anything over 350 awhp would be rolling the dice reliability wise with a tip.

I thought RS6s put down ~340awhp stock?

[hazard860]

my car is 200 miles shy of 180k, so im not sure if the tip will hold a lot of power...

[GunSupplier]

I thought RS6s put down ~340awhp stock?

....it's not an RS6. He installed an RS6 steering wheel in his S4.

[fluevog]

How much torque are you putting down?

345 tq

[Scotty@Advanced]

so the rear diff body for a tip is different, yet you can just swap the diff over to a 6spd body ready diff, i was hoping i could just leave the tip rear diff in..but i bet everyone would be doing that if it worked...

No the housings are the same.. The ring and pinon gears are different.

[csosnowski]

C5 RS6 has 5HP24 correct? If they are dead set on keeping automatic, have any tip guys ever looked into swapping that?

[GunSupplier]

C5 RS6 has 5HP24 correct? If they are dead set on keeping automatic, have any tip guys ever looked into swapping that?

Yeah, it has the 5HP24. I've thought about that possibility, but from what I remember, the bell-housing on the -24 is larger than the -19, which would make the swap difficult. I still would love to see someone try it.

Another "issue" is that the 5HP24 isn't exactly super stout either and it sometimes failed even on stock RS6s, but I guess so has the 5HP19 with all of the torque converter issues.

[Scotty@Advanced]

C5 RS6 has 5HP24 correct? If they are dead set on keeping automatic, have any tip guys ever looked into swapping that?

The RS6 5hp24 uses a different bell housing, torque converter and starter than the standard 5hp24's. the V8 5hp24's are also much larger meaning hammer mods to the tunnel, custom axles, shorter prop shaft, and a modified flex plate/torque converter. Also the electronics to run the 5hp24 is different than the 5hp19.. So you'd have to reprogram the 5HP19 computer to the proper 5hp24 solenoid activations or do some major re-wiring.

It can be done but it will be a project amongst itself. Also the 5hp24 transmissions are less than reliable as well.

[hodrosS42001]

Scotty is there any trans we know of that could be made to fit? German/american with adapter plates and such? My father used to talk about guys swapping trans in old american cars all the time with adapter plates.. any of the newer audi trans maybe? They seem to hold up much better

[hazard860]

[Scotty@Advanced]

Scotty is there any trans we know of that could be made to fit? German/american with adapter plates and such? My father used to talk about guys swapping trans in old american cars all the time with adapter plates.. any of the newer audi trans maybe? They seem to hold up much better

For RWD only you have alot of choices, however the AWD layout of the S4 dictates a very compact AWD transmission. The only layout i can think of that is similar is the Bentley/Phaeton setups, but those are just ZF 6 speeds, but at the cost hose run I'd just look at buying another car.