Front Parking Distance Control Retrofit for Facelift 2013 B8.5

[audibmi]

Front Parking Distance Control Retrofit for B8.5 Facelift didn't work with my central electric module version, but I got rear graphical display activated without connecting front sensors.


As you may be aware, the parking module is controlled by the central electric module for facelift B8.5 now. There is no longer a separate parking module located in the trunk. This is a good thing because you don't have to run cables to the trunk for front sensor retrofit. The central elect module is located under the steering wheel.

This is an update to my first thread here:
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...-facelift-b8-5

First of all, a big thank you to DavidB8 who assisted me with this retrofit project. David provided custom oem+ quality harnesses, wiring diagrams and parts, while I changed coding, and plugged and unplugged parts by trial and error to test if the north american central electric module 8K0 907 063 DJ was capable of activating front sensors.

Bad news is our version is not capable; it accepts all the coding without error, but it does not appear to recognize the presence of front sensors. You will likely need 8K0 907 063 DL to work according to the audi tech I spoke to while I was in Ingolstadt a few months ago. I also know that version AJ is also capable as this is used in my friends north american 2013 RS5 which has front pdc.

All is not lost, however. We found out that if just the center console button and speaker was connected, graphical display can be enabled! I now have the ability to toggle the rear camera on/off with the parking button anytime, as well as getting the graphical display for the rear sensors.

Graphical display only (note soft key is bottom left instead of bottom right on pre-facelift):


Graphical display with rear camera (mmi won't take screenshot of video image, hence crappy resolution):




Coding required via VCDS is as follows:

Under central elect module 9, byte 35, check bit 2, front parking aid installed




Under back up camera module 6C, enable optical parking system by adding the value 2




I had ordered a set of harnesses from kufatec just a day before David contacted me so I've posted this extra set in the classifieds. I had originally planned to retrofit two cars, but due to the additional cost of the new module required, I'm only retrofitting one.

I have assembled every part required except for the updated central electric module (quoted 218.50 euros at the audi zentrum inglostadt dealer, so may be cheaper to get from germany than sourcing here). The problem is the ingolstadt dealer will not ship. http://www.audizine.com/classifieds/...?product=84874

Here's what all the parts look like laid out:

• Four front sensors, complete with oem sensor holders with double side tape and rubber o-ring bumper gaskets (two sensors go in bumper while two go in the grill, both of which have holes marked inside already)
• Front sensor harness
• Center Console Button (Parking, ESP off, Rear Blinds). You could use the rear blinds button as a mute switch for a radar detector if you don't have rear blinds like I do.
• Central Electric Harness (to connect front sensor harness, speaker and center console button to central elect module)
• Front Speaker

[Sergeilion]

Good day.
Can you help me to understand if it is possible to activate graphical display for a4 b8 FL (2012 m.y.) with only rear sensors installed?

We managed to activate it on a4 b8 (2010 m.y.) in block 10, and everything works fine. But on FL there is no block 10...
Is it possible to activate it on FL somewhere else, and if it possible - how?

Thanks for any help!
Sergey.

[skeelo]

No way to enable the graphical display without doing some kind of install? I'm wondering if the VCDS coding will work on its own without the center console button and speaker connected...

[audibmi]

No way to enable the graphical display without doing some kind of install? I'm wondering if the VCDS coding will work on its own without the center console button and speaker connected...

not that i am aware of. i was only able to get graphical display when these two components were connected. i still have a spare central electric harness to connect the speaker and parking button to the central elect module if anyone needs it.

[kdub]

Makes wonder what the central elect module is looking at when the switch and speaker is connected to enable this function. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but perhaps it's just a matter of jumpering some pins and using a resistor to mimic the impedance of the speaker. Are there any wiring diagrams available for this harness?

[JonS4]

Isn't there a DIY somewhere for front parking sensor install on the B8s? It's not on David's site (http://www.audienthusiasts.com/About.html) but I've seen this referenced somewhere.

[s4vroom]

Tried to see if I could add the graphical overlay to the MMI without having to do the front sensor retrofit. I know David and OP (AudiBMI) have done a ton of work on this, but I wanted to try for myself.

I got a fault code with "central elect module 9, byte 35, check bit 2, front parking aid installed" checked - wiring short, so I unchecked it (and cleared fault without it returning). Then I tried "back up camera module 6C, enable optical parking system by adding the value 2" and the code was accepted --> the options for graphics become available, but are grayed out in the MMI, and the back-up camera does not come on when reversing. So, I put back the original values. That's when I got my second fault code --> Backup up camera system not calibrated. Looks like Ross-Tech provides insight how to re-calibrate, but I guess I need to do this...http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ra-Calibration. Camera seems to be fuzzy, but I did take car for a spin and tried reverse a few times and guide lines and rear sensors all work fine. Guess I'll ask for this to be checked at my first service (and play dumb )

Just a word of caution to those that like to play around. Since it already has this fault that won't clear, I'm gonna still try different settings just to see if this is still capable (fool me once MMI, you can't fool me twice!).

[lapisia]

Do our cars come with this option or it has to be a retrofit? If so, where do you get these sensors (P#)? Also..if a car has adaptive cruise control, will the car already have this option?

[JohnEnglish]

No, this isn't available for North American cars; it needs to be refitted. You can order the sensors from Audi as it's a standard part for other parts of the world.

[A4_2013]

I have just obtained a 2013 A4 saloon that came with factory fitted rear PDC. I had also wanted front PDC, but could not source a model with my specifications that included this. Thus looked at fitting front PDC after delivery and obtained the Kufatec kit (my only real option in South Africa) for Front PDC-Plus to existing factory fitted rear for vehicle with radio. I do not have navigation, nor rear camera.

I performed installation as per the documentation and re-programmed the needed controller. I now have a button that switches the PDC on and the graphics display now works. The set-up menu has options for the front PDC... However!!!...

Front sensors do not work at all. No sound. No change on the display. Rear work and provide sound and provide the display (very impressive).

When running a diagnostic on the car, I get a single fault:

004
Electronic parking aid control unit - J446
No signal/communication

I have the following controller:

09 - Vehicle elec.sys.with headl.range control, parking aid
8K0907063DL
BCM1 1.0
Coding long
Dealer number 02638
8K0907063DL
H16
0103

This controller should work and provide front/rear support.

Kufatec have been very vague and offered numerous suggestions like check programming, replace controller, etc..

I have looked at the factory diagram and I do have the sensors wired and connected to the same pins the factory use. This also conforms to Kufatec’s instructions. Sensors to pins 23,26,30 & 31 of the one 32 pin connector. The buzzer is to pins 6&7 of the other 32 pin connector. The switch and it’s light are to pins 7 & 8 respectively of the 16 pin connector and positive to pin 3 and negative spliced into the existing wire on pin 5, also of this 16 pin connector

This weekend, I checked voltage levels on the six pins to the front sensors and found that there is no power to any of the sensors. When I switch PDC on (display on car screen and back sensors are working & displaying audibly/visually), PIN3 of the 16 pin factory connector remains at zero (same potential as the other 5 pins).

All/Any suggestions welcome....

[audibmi]

I do not have navigation, nor rear camera.

I was going to suggest connecting the parking aid switch to the 32 pin grey connector instead, but since you do not have navigation or rear view camera, it appears the 16 pin connector is correct.

I found the programming instructions from Kufatec to be incorrect for vehicles equipped with navigation, along with several other typos like instructing you to drill 35mm diameter holes instead of 17mm! I am assuming you went to the dealer to remove component protection from the new central elect module already. Can you provide which coding changes were performed and post the long coding changes?

My other suggestion is to check the individual front parking sensors to determine if any are faulty. Test each one to determine if there is resistance. If you read zero resistance, you may have a shorted sensor.

Also, the pins for the front sensors cannot be directly compared to the audi factory wires diagrams. Kufactec's front bumper harness is routed from the right hand side, while Audi is from the left hand side: the pin layout for the sensors are therefore swapped.

[A4_2013]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is involved in removing component protection?

Programming involved:
Changing byte 35 of address 09 from HEX20 (rear PDC only) to HEX24 (Front & Rear PDC)
Setting Bit 1 of byte 9 of address 56 (Radio) - mine was already set to 1
Kufatec later suggested "adaption channel 3 set to value 26 (Security access 20113)" - however mine is already 26

Are the sensors powered by 5volts or by 12volts? I would like to test them to see if they provide a varing signal. Does the sensor output produce a digital pulse or an analogue value (varing resistance or varing voltage)?

I disconnected the front sensors at the midway 6/8 pin connector and they appear not to be shorted. I then checked at this junction, voltages from the central controller and found all six pins (ground, positive and the 4 signal pins for each of the four sensors) staying firmly at zero voltage, even when PDC is activated. It is as if the controller is not switching on any supply voltage to the sensors

[audibmi]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is involved in removing component protection?

when you install a new module, the audi dealer has to connect to audi access online to register the module to your car so it will function correctly.

[A4_2013]

The module 09 was always in the car and it had back PDC factory fitted.
Now we have added the front PDC sensors - is that a new "module" that must be added or is it just an extra controller for an existing module?

The local Audi dealership is not that co-operative - what is involved if I can locate a friendly audi technitian and enlist his help during tea time?

[audibmi]

The module 09 was always in the car and it had back PDC factory fitted.
Now we have added the front PDC sensors - is that a new "module" that must be added or is it just an extra controller for an existing module?

The local Audi dealership is not that co-operative - what is involved if I can locate a friendly audi technitian and enlist his help during tea time?

looks like missed responding to this thread. i just realized that your module 9 central elect was installed at factory and not retrofitted as you are in south Africa and not in north America. if that is the case, than component protection removal from the dealer is not required for this module. only changes should be from the software side. did kufatec sort everything out for you yet?

[A4_2013]

Hello,

No, I have given up with them as They go around in circles and professionally avoid the problem/solution.

My situation is as it was. I realise that this is a newer revision and so I'm patiently waiting for some suggestions as experience grows.

That module (module 9) was replaced by the local dealer when I took delivery of the car as they had a fault with the lighting circuit when they were doing the pre-delivery inspection – not sure if this hardware swap is relevant.

I'm sure it is software settings. I would like to check the Voltage that should come out of the controller to the sensors. I have established that there appears to be no supply voltage from the controller to the sensors even when the front sensors are turned on. Do you know if this is 12v or 5v.

Any suggestions welcome!

Regards...

[iridium81]

The buzzer is to pins 6&7 of the other 32 pin connector. The switch and it’s light are to pins 7 & 8 respectively of the 16 pin connector

Hello,

I have a A4 B8.5 Facelift 2012 without PDC (no rear, no front) and NO backup camera. I have MMI LOW (code 7T2). Here is info about my central electric:

Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels: 8K0-907-063.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 DF HW: 8K0 907 063 AF
Component: BCM1 1.0 H14 0103


I would like to retrofit rear PDC only; and install center console switch (8K2 959 674 G V10) to activate graphical view in MMI. I read that it was also necessary to install the buzzer.

In the following picture can you tell me which connector to use (From 1 to 7) to connect switch and buzzer ? Can I also have matching pins on switch side ? Where to connect the rear buzzer?



Thanks a lot !

Iridium81.

[OEMplus.com]

We offer a few kits to retrofit the Audi Parking System Plus to this chassis vehicle.

You can get the kit in front only, rear only, or front and rear together.

Click the image to see all available offerings.



Please feel free to contact us with any questions regarding these products.

Regards,

Joe@OEMplus

[A4_2013]

Dear Joe,

As someone who has purchased from Kufatec a front retro-fit to my A4 B8.5 that has factory fitted rear PDC and who after six months still does not have this working and who is receiving zero suitable customer support from Kufatec, perhaps a bit of after-sales support will ensure I sing your praise to future customers, rather than the reverse...

Please view my post http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...o-2013-A4-(B8)



Kind Regards...Adrian

[audibmi]

Hello,

I have a A4 B8.5 Facelift 2012 without PDC (no rear, no front) and NO backup camera. I have MMI LOW (code 7T2). Here is info about my central electric:

Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels: 8K0-907-063.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 DF HW: 8K0 907 063 AF
Component: BCM1 1.0 H14 0103


I would like to retrofit rear PDC only; and install center console switch (8K2 959 674 G V10) to activate graphical view in MMI. I read that it was also necessary to install the buzzer.

In the following picture can you tell me which connector to use (From 1 to 7) to connect switch and buzzer ? Can I also have matching pins on switch side ? Where to connect the rear buzzer?



Thanks a lot !

Iridium81.

According to your diagram #3 is referred to as the T32A grey colored socket, whereas the center console button is referred to as the T8R button.

Connect as follows:
T32A pin 1 -> T8R button pin 1
T32A pin 2 -> T8R button pin 3
T32A pin 6 -> speaker pin 1
T32A pin 7 -> speaker pin 2

note that although you are only retrofitting the rear pdc, you still need to connect the front speaker so the system loop is complete. any missing component (with the exception of the front bumper harness and front sensors) and the system with detect a fault and will not function.

[OEMplus.com]

Dear Joe,

As someone who has purchased from Kufatec a front retro-fit to my A4 B8.5 that has factory fitted rear PDC and who after six months still does not have this working and who is receiving zero suitable customer support from Kufatec, perhaps a bit of after-sales support will ensure I sing your praise to future customers, rather than the reverse...

Please view my post http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...o-2013-A4-(B8)



Kind Regards...Adrian

Dear Adrian,

Did you purchase this kit from www.kufatec.com? We show no record of your order. If you purchased this kit from the .de or .uk site then we would need your order information in order to forward this case to them. www.kufatec.com is the North American distributor for Kufatec and we operate as a complete separate entity even down to the support. Please share this information with us so that we can see if we can get you in touch with the right division to support you. Who sold you the parts will know best know how to support you.

Regards,

Joe
www.OEMplus.com
www.kufatec.com

[iridium81]

According to your diagram #3 is referred to as the T32A grey colored socket, whereas the center console button is referred to as the T8R button.

Connect as follows:
T32A pin 1 -> T8R button pin 1
T32A pin 2 -> T8R button pin 3
T32A pin 6 -> speaker pin 1
T32A pin 7 -> speaker pin 2

note that although you are only retrofitting the rear pdc, you still need to connect the front speaker so the system loop is complete. any missing component (with the exception of the front bumper harness and front sensors) and the system with detect a fault and will not function.

So connector to use is the same I use to connect Audi Drive Select switch (pin 16)! Thank you very much for your quick answer audibmi :-)))

Still one question: On Kufatec site for "Audi Parking System - Rear Retrofit", they say that:

NOTE MMI 3G: The MMI drive within the centre console has to be sent to our head office!

Remove the drive - Place the order online - Ship the drive with a copy of the order
In case of MMI 2G as well as Radio Concert, Symphony no head unit needs to be send

NOTE for vehicles from 2013 model year: The onboard control unit needs to be replaced

Is it really necessary to update MMI unit and replace central electric module ?

Link: http://www.kufatec.de/shop/en/audi/a...k2?action_ms=1

[iridium81]

note that although you are only retrofitting the rear pdc, you still need to connect the front speaker so the system loop is complete. any missing component (with the exception of the front bumper harness and front sensors) and the system with detect a fault and will not function.

Hello, audibmi. If I retrofit only rear camera without any PDC (no rear, no front), is it also necessary to connect front speaker to be able to see camera in MMI when I push the center console switch ?

[a4huey09]

I'm interested, please PM me, thanks!

. i still have a spare central electric harness to connect the speaker and parking button to the central elect module if anyone needs it.

[audibmi]

Hello, audibmi. If I retrofit only rear camera without any PDC (no rear, no front), is it also necessary to connect front speaker to be able to see camera in MMI when I push the center console switch ?

i very much doubt the button will work without other components being connected (at the very minimum rear sensors, rear buzzer, front buzzer), but with that said, i got the graphic display to work without connecting the front bumper sensors. you also have mmi low which may be different from mmi high (navi equipped units), so the software coding is also different.

[niner]

to the OP: what is the part number for the switch? I bought 8K1-959-673-G-V10, but it is the wrong one.

[audibmi]

to the OP: what is the part number for the switch? I bought 8K1-959-673-G-V10, but it is the wrong one.

it depends which features you have on your car. for example, my car has audi drive select and rear blinds so my esp switch, parking aid and rear blinds is all located on the passenger side. best to post a picture of your current configuration of buttons so your question can be answered in an informed manner.

[niner]

Sorry for being unclear. My car (2013) has only ESP on the right side switch bank. Kind of like this http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2013-...#photo-4713915

I want a button with ESP + parking control. Is 8K2959674gv10 the right one?

[audibmi]

Sorry for being unclear. My car (2013) has only ESP on the right side switch bank. Kind of like this http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2013-...#photo-4713915

I want a button with ESP + parking control. Is 8K2959674gv10 the right one?

ESP and PDC: 8K2 959 674 G V10

the key thing to remember is the prefix of the part number 8K1 refers to the driver side while 8k2 is the passenger side.

[niner]

Thanks for the help

[iridium81]

I was going to suggest connecting the parking aid switch to the 32 pin grey connector instead, but since you do not have navigation or rear view camera, it appears the 16 pin connector is correct.

Hello audibmi,

Last weekend, I retrofit LED Footwell lighting on the front (connection to pin 17 on T32A grey colored socket of Cent. Elect. J519). I noticed something strange !

On this T32A grey colored socket (J519), although I have MMI DVD Navigation LOW (code 7T2), all pins are not there (on central electric side of course) !!
I have only pin 8, 9, 13, 14, 16, 17, 18, 24, 26, 27, 28, 30, 31 and 32. So not possible for me to connect T8R button (center console button) on pin 1 and 3 !!

As "A4_2013" said: "The switch and it’s light are to pins 7 & 8 respectively of the 16 pin connector"

Which 16 pin connector was 'A4_2013' referring ? In my picture can you tell me which number is it ?

Thanks a lot !

[audibmi]

Hello audibmi,

Last weekend, I retrofit LED Footwell lighting on the front (connection to pin 17 on T32A grey colored socket of Cent. Elect. J519). I noticed something strange !

On this T32A grey colored socket (J519), although I have MMI DVD Navigation LOW (code 7T2), all pins are not there (on central electric side of course) !!
I have only pin 8, 9, 13, 14, 16, 17, 18, 24, 26, 27, 28, 30, 31 and 32. So not possible for me to connect T8R button (center console button) on pin 1 and 3 !!

As "A4_2013" said: "The switch and it’s light are to pins 7 & 8 respectively of the 16 pin connector"

Which 16 pin connector was 'A4_2013' referring ? In my picture can you tell me which number is it ?

Thanks a lot !

i don't have the wiring diagrams with me, but socket 1 in your diagram (brown T16B) is where the front sensor harness is connected (pin 3) and ground is pin 5. this is the only other socket that i have used that is related to front pdc.

[Brian77]

I have a 2013 A4 ( US Spec-facelift B8.5) with factory rear parking sensors and backup camera. I had front sensors installed will all Audi original parts the other day. The system works in reverse, but not in drive after hitting the parking button and under 10 km/h. I can hear the buzzer for the front sensors but no graphical display. I have a 8K0 919 475 AA installed in the car. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[audibmi]

I have a 2013 A4 ( US Spec-facelift B8.5) with factory rear parking sensors and backup camera. I had front sensors installed will all Audi original parts the other day. The system works in reverse, but not in drive after hitting the parking button and under 10 km/h. I can hear the buzzer for the front sensors but no graphical display. I have a 8K0 919 475 AA installed in the car. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

what coding changes were done?

[Brian77]

The coding for the module (address 10) is 300103. The documents I have are all in German and I'm waiting on a Ross-Tech cable.

[audibmi]

The coding for the module (address 10) is 300103. The documents I have are all in German and I'm waiting on a Ross-Tech cable.

central electric module 9 controls parking sensors in the facelift b8, not 10. i'm assuming no coding changes were done if you are still waiting for the vcds cable.

[Brian77]

This is want I have been able to get. I'm working on getting an interface cable.

[Brian77]

Is anyone able to get the graphic display to work with the car not in reverse but with the parking button pushed? I want to be able to have the display up for when I pull into a parking spot.

Thanks,
Brian

[audibmi]

Is anyone able to get the graphic display to work with the car not in reverse but with the parking button pushed? I want to be able to have the display up for when I pull into a parking spot.

Thanks,
Brian

its difficult to answer your question with so little information. it would help us trouble shoot if we knew which exactly parts you installed.

from your coding sheet, it looks like you are still using the north American version of the central elect module 9 part number , which does not support front sensors. did you upgrade this module to one that supports front sensors?

I am surprised you hear the front speaker sensors, if you are indeed still using the north American module 9 part 8K0 907 063 DJ. mine was not able to detect front sensors.

with that said, my parking button can toggle the rear camera in any gear (drive, park, etc.).

[Brian77]

its difficult to answer your question with so little information. it would help us trouble shoot if we knew which exactly parts you installed.

from your coding sheet, it looks like you are still using the north American version of the central elect module 9 part number , which does not support front sensors. did you upgrade this module to one that supports front sensors?

I am surprised you hear the front speaker sensors, if you are indeed still using the north American module 9 part 8K0 907 063 DJ. mine was not able to detect front sensors.

with that said, my parking button can toggle the rear camera in any gear (drive, park, etc.).

Audibmi,

Ok, i finally got my Ross-tech cable and was able to resolve the issue. I had to enable the parking system in the camera module (6C), changed the code from 1000006 to 1020006. I'm now able to get the visual display in any gear by pressing the button. Thank you for your help and David was also a big help.
I'm still using the DJ module in the car, but I'm not sure if the installer changed any software / firmware when doing the install.

regards,
Brian