What oil to used?

[audia4newb]

Whats a good oil to used? and when is a good time to change it? Cause on car it say 6700 til oil change..I never had a car that ran for 10k on the same oil....always change it between 4 and 5k.

got any good tips?

[G.AUDI]

Keep doing what you do.

[audia4newb]

Keep doing what you do.

yeah but whats a good oil to used for the audi?

[B G 8er]

Motul. Makers of the first 100% synthetic oil.

[audia4newb]

Motul. Makers of the first 100% synthetic oil.

which one? 5/40?

[shonseb]

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...=1#post8150393

5/40 works in your climate, just make sure you get the right weight vw502.00. It should be written in your manual and I think it's also under the hood by the right of the latch.

[audia4newb]

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...=1#post8150393

5/40 works in your climate, just make sure you get the right weight vw502.00. It should be written in your manual and I think it's also under the hood by the right of the latch.

wow I didnt there a certain weight you used too...that crazy....

what you mean 5/40 works in my climate? kinda confusing..

[TheHeiko]

I have read many people recommend only going with an oil that meets VW standard vw502.00 in the event that there is any potential engine issue where a warranty claim would be involved. Engine oils that meet this standard have it stated on the bottle.

This is from a post here on AZ:

"The VW 502.00 specification

Like most other manufacturers, VW/Audi developed some specifications for how motor oils used in their cars should perform. If you’re under warranty, I suggest you stick with oils that explicitly meet these specifications and are approved. There are plenty of choices out there – you do not need to run the dealer-supplied oil. There are even oils out there made just to this spec. Motul, for example, sells something called “Specific 502” that was made just for VW/Audi. They do the same for BMW as well.

The 502.00 specification lists a 10,000 mile change interval and a 5w30 or 5w40 rating. This means that in general, a 502.00 approved oil is good out to 10,000 miles. Continue reading as we dive into change intervals a bit more.

You can find current lists of approved oils by doing some quick Google searches. The list changes periodically as old oils are dropped and new oils are released.

There is a difference between “meets/exceeds VW 502.00” and “VW 502.00 approved”. The oil may technically meet VW’s requirements, but VW may not approve it. The approval means VW has specifically said “yes, we certify this oil for our cars”. There’s tons of oils that may not be certified but could outperform the certification too!"

Go nuts!

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...wanted-to-know

[2.7taudi]

5k is a good interval. I would most definitely use vw approved oil. The easiest and most popular oil is Mobil 1 0w-40, castrol 0w-30 and 5w-40. Bob is the oil guy forums have very high praise for the M1.


Sent from my iPhone.

[shonseb]

Sooo in a nutshell.....

Cars used to use non synthetic oils in the past. Back then we HAD to warm up our cars to operating temps for our oil to achieve proper viscosity. If you drove your car on a cold engine without a proper warm-up (and therefore without your oil achieving proper viscosity), you risked damaging your engine. Now, we have synthetic blend oils which are actually 2 oils with 2 different viscosity, one for colder and one for warmer. The colder blend will protect your engine when driving from a cold start without warm up and this is the reason modern cars can just be started and go without needing a warmup. However, the colder blend will actually have viscosity breakdown as the car warms and thin out once the oil reaches proper operating temp. That's where the warmer one comes in. The warmer one will protect your engine after the car is actually warmed up and maintain viscosity while operating at higher temps. Think of the 2 numbers as the colder and warmer blends. 5w40 is the most common blend out there and works well for most climates in NA. The first number is the viscosity of the cold start blend (0-15). In the NA, 5 is usually a good number for cold starts that cover most of the climates. In much colder climates (where it may be below freezing for weeks to months at a time) you can use 0. This can be used in some parts of Canada and Alaska where temps are constantly below freezing for months. Some really warm places can use 10. The second number is the viscosity of the warm blend and represents the viscosity at operating temperature (30-40-50). 30 is good for short trips and fuel economy, but not for longer trips as the engine will operate for an extended time. If the engine is running for a constant longer time (like 30 mins on a highway) the engine temps may run slightly higher and lead to viscosity breakdown (not good). 50 is good for racing engines where there are consistently higher temperatures than normal operating for the engine and can protect your engine from viscosity breakdown, but can really decrease your fuel economy. 40 is a good because it keeps the best of both worlds. So one of the best blends out there that can safely be used in most climates is 5w40.

[audia4newb]

thanks guys that helps a whole lot

[B G 8er]

Great info guys. Question, so is there a Motul 5w40 502.00 Audi "approved" I am assuming. My cars approaching 10k and i think I want to change it (dealer performed first change at 5k) and not wait til the factory recommended 15k (10k intervals).

[audia4newb]

5k is a good interval. I would most definitely use vw approved oil. The easiest and most popular oil is Mobil 1 0w-40, castrol 0w-30 and 5w-40. Bob is the oil guy forums have very high praise for the M1.


Sent from my iPhone.

so all the one there that you name is all vw approved oil?

[TheHeiko]

Great info guys. Question, so is there a Motul 5w40 502.00 Audi "approved" I am assuming. My cars approaching 10k and i think I want to change it (dealer performed first change at 5k) and not wait til the factory recommended 15k (10k intervals).

According to a list I found, Motul 8100 X-cess, X-clean and X-max are VW502.00 approved in 5W30.

See this link for an Audi TSB listing approved VW502.00 oils.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...9ICqioYlKG0f9w

[audia4newb]

here an approve list


Addinol Super light MV0546 5W–40
Addinol Super power MV 0537 5W–30
Adnoc Image 5W–40
Agip Sint Evolution 5W–40
Agip Synthetic PC 5W–40
Agip Tecsint 5W–30
Agip Tecsint SL 5W–40
Gamaparts Gold Synt 5W–40
Antar Excellia LDX 5W–40
Lubricating Oil AnYe 1 5W–40
Aral HighTronic 5W–40
Aral SuperTronic 0W–40
Autol Carrera 5W–40
Bardahl XTC 100% Synthetic Motor Oil 5W–40
Xin Gai Nian 5W–40
BP Euro Germany 5W–40
BP Euro Plus 5W–40
BP Euro Spirit 5W–40
BP Visco 5000 5W–40
BP Visco Sport 0W–40
Bucher Motorex Xperience FS–X 5W–40
Bucher Select SP–X 5W–40
Bucher Xperience FS–X 0W–40
Carat ad–Synt–Oil 5W–40
Carl Bechem Hessol ADT Plus SAE 5W–40
Carl Bechem Staroil Synergie Alpha SAE 5W–40
Cartechnic Cartechnic Motorenöl SAE 5W–40
Castrol Castrol GTX 7 Dynatec SAE 5W–40
Castrol Castrol Performance SAE 5W–40
Castrol Castrol Syntec SAE 5W–40
Castrol Castrol TXT Softec SAE 5W–40
Cepsa Cepsa Star Mega Synthetic SAE 5W–40
Conoco Syncon High Performance Synthetic Engine Oil SAE 5W–40
Coparts Carl Motorenöl Power SAE 5W–40
Cyclon Hellas Cyclon F1 Racing SAE 5W–40
De Oliebron Tor Hypersynth SAE 5W–40
Dongying Xinyi Xin Yi 1 5W–40
Duckhams Q Fully Synthetic 5W–40
Elf Excellium LDX 5W–40
ENOC Protec X–treme 5W–40
Esso Megatron 5W–40
Esso Ultron 5W–40
Esso Ultron SL 5W–40
Motor Oil Plus 5W–40
Eurol Super Lite 5W–40 SL/CF 5W–40
FAW–Sihuan Petrofer Huan Ya 5W–40
Vert Feu Vert 100% Synthese 5W–40
Fina First 5W–40
Fina Motortronic RS 5W–40
FL Selenia Pulsar S.D. 5W–40
FL Selenia Selenia WR 5W–40
Fortum Neste City Pro 0W–40
Fortum Neste City Pro 5W–40
Fuchs TITAN Supersyn 5W–40
Fuchs Titan Formel MC 5W–40
Galp Formula 1 Plus 5W–40
Galp Formula TD Plus 5W–40
Ginouves York 848 5W–40
Goldhand Budget Motorenöl vollsynthetisch 5W–40
Gulf Formula S 5W–40
Gulf Formula G 5W–40
Huiles Labo Labo Carat 5W–40
Igol Symbol Ceramic 5W–40
Igol Symbol Ceramic 5W–30
Igol Process Compact P 5W–30
INA Futura MB 5W–30
Ina Millennium 5W–40
Kendall GT–1 Full Synthetic Motor Oil 5W–40
Kuttenkeuler Motorenöl S–Tronic 5W–40
Liqui Moly Leichtlauf HC 7 5W–40
Liqui Moly Longtime High Tech 5W–30
Liqui Moly Profi Synthoil 5W–40
Liqui Moly Synthoil High Tech 5W–40
Lotos Dynamic 0W–40
Lotos Economic 5W–30
Lotos Syntetic SL/SJ/CF/CD 5W–40
Lotos Traffic 5W–40
Lukoil LUX 5W–40
Meguin EMARAT Super Synth 5W–40
Meguin megol Motorenoel New Generation 5W–30
Meguin megol Motorenoel Super Leichtlauf 5W–40
Meguin Motorenoel Low Emission 5W–40
Meguin Motorenoel Ultra Performance Longlife 5W–40
Mitan Alpine RSL vollsynth. 0W–40
Mobil 1 0W–40
Mobil 1 5W–40
Mobil Special X 5W–40
Mobil Synt S 5W–40
Mobil Syst S 5W–40
Mogul Forte Racing Pro 5W–40
MOL Dynamic Star 5W–40
Morris Multilife Synthetic 5W–40
Motul 6100 X–cess 5W–40
Motul 8100 E–tech 0W–40
Motul 8100 X–cess 5W–40
Motul Synergie 5W–40
Motul Synergie Ester + 0W–40
MRD Motor Gold Supertec 5W–40
Nocc Valar Gema XLL 053 5W–30
Northland Synergy Synthetic EuroSyn 5W–40
Oel–Brack Midland Avanza 5W–40
Oel–Brack Midland Synqron 5W–30
Oel–Brack Midland Synqron 5W–40
Oest ETA Synthetik 5W–40
Oktanoil Mega Full 5W–40
Ölwerke Julius Schindler Econo Veritas XL–HC 5W–40
OMV full syn 0W–40
OMV full syn plus 5W–30
Panolin Indy SV 5W–40
Paramo Mogul Racing Pro 5W–40
Pennzoil Synthetic European Formula 5W–40
Pennzoil European Formula Ultra 5W–30
Pennzoil Synthetic European Formula Ultra 5W–30
Pentosin Motorenoel Pento High Performance 5W–40
Pentosin Pentosynth 5W–40
Petrobras Lubrax Sintético 5W–40
Petrol Ofisi PO Ultra 5W–40
Petronas Syntium 3000 5W–40
Petronas Syntium 3000 LL 5W–30
Petronas Syntium 3000 S 5W–40
Petronas Syntium 5000 FS 0W–40
Petronas Syntium 900 5W–40
PetroVRC Kunlun HTPC 5W–40
Poweroil High–Tech–Schmierstoffe HD 5W–40 SL CF Topsynth 5W–40
Poweroil High–Tech–Schmierstoffe HD 0W–40
Profi–Tech Profi–Car Synth Tech XT 5W–40
Protech Meister–Öl–Leichtlauföl 5W–40
Quaker State European Formula Ultra 5W–30
Quaker State Full Synthetic European Formula 5W–40
Quaker State Full synthetic European Formula Ultra 5W–30
Rafinerija Modrica Optima Magnum Plus 0W–40
Ravensberger Ravenol Hydrocrack Synth. HCS 5W–40
Ravensberger Ravenol VSI 5W–40
Repsol Elaion Full Performance 5W–40
Repsol Elite Competición 5W–40
Repsol Elite Cosmos 0W–40
Rowe Hightec Synth RS 5W–40 i 5W–40
Rowe Hightec Synt–HC 5W–40 i 5W–40
SCT Mannol Extreme 5W–40
76 Pure Synthetic Motor Oil 5W–40
Shanghai Oil Refinery HAIPAI 2293 5W–40
Shanghai Tempo 8000–1A 5W–40
Shell Formula Shell Ultra AB 5W–30
Shell Helix Ultra AM 5W–40
Shell Helix Plus 5W–30
Shell Helix Plus 5W–40
Shell Helix Plus S 5W–30
Shell Helix Plus S 5W–40
Shell Helix Premium 5W–40
Shell Helix Ultra 5W–40
Shell Helix Ultra AB 5W–30
Shell Helix Ultra AL 5W–30
Shell SL 0914 5W–40
Sinopec Polar Star II 5W–40
SK Corporation ZIC XQ 5W–40
Slovnaft Madit Ultra 5W–30
Smessindo Liqtro Enduro Ultra 5W–40
Spectr–Auto Polarm 0W–40
SRS Schmierstoff Vertrieb Wintershall Primalub topsynth 5W–40
SRS Schmierstoff Vertrieb Wintershall ViVA 1 ecosynth 0W–40
SRS Schmierstoff Vertrieb Wintershall VIVA 1 Longlife 5W–30
SRS Schmierstoff Vertrieb Wintershall ViVA 1 topsynth 5W–40
SRS Schmierstoff Vertrieb Wintershall ViVA 1 topsynth alpha 5W–30
SRS Schmierstoff Vertrieb Wintershall ViVA 1 topsynth alpha LA 5W–30
Startol Synt–XL 5W–40
Statoil LazerWay 5W–40
Statoil GT S 5W–40
Statoil LazerWay 5W–40
Statoil Pro Synthetic 5W–40
SWD Primus HDC 5W–40
Teboil Gold 5W–40
Texaco Havoline Ultra 5W–40
Texaco Havoline Ultra 5W–40
Texaco Havoline Ultra BM 5W–30
Top Top Evolution 5W–40
Activa 9000 5W–40
Total Quartz 9000 5W–40
Unicorn Ultra Synt 5W–40
Unil Opal Opaljet 24 S 5W–40
Unil Opal Opaljet 24S 5W–40
Valvoline SynPower 5W–40
Valvoline DuraBlend MXL 5W–40
Valvoline SynPower 5W–30
Valvoline SynPower 5W–40
Valvoline SynPower motor oil 0W–40
Valvoline SynPower MXL 5W–30
Valvoline SynPro motor oil 0W–40
VAPS VAPSOIL 502 00 5W–40
Vial Oil Consol Ultima 5W–40
Wako’s 4CT 5W–40
Wolf Wolf Masterlube Synflow DC 5W–40
Würth Triathlon Sprint 5W–40
Yacco VX 1000 5W–40
Yacco VX 600 5W–40
YPF Elaion Plus VWS 5W–40
YPF Elaion Sintetico VWS 5W–40
YPF Elaion Full Performance 5W–40
Yukos U–Tech System 0W–40
Zeller+Gmelin Divinol Syntholight 5W–40

[jlaudio]

mobil 1 is constantly on sale between pep boys, autozone, and o'reillys
its a really good oil for the price

[TCHUN003]

I always stock up on Castrol Syntec 5W-40 when it's on sale at autozone.

[maga4]

Sooo in a nutshell.....

Cars used to use non synthetic oils in the past. Back then we HAD to warm up our cars to operating temps for our oil to achieve proper viscosity. If you drove your car on a cold engine without a proper warm-up (and therefore without your oil achieving proper viscosity), you risked damaging your engine. Now, we have synthetic blend oils which are actually 2 oils with 2 different viscosity, one for colder and one for warmer. The colder blend will protect your engine when driving from a cold start without warm up and this is the reason modern cars can just be started and go without needing a warmup. However, the colder blend will actually have viscosity breakdown as the car warms and thin out once the oil reaches proper operating temp. That's where the warmer one comes in. The warmer one will protect your engine after the car is actually warmed up and maintain viscosity while operating at higher temps. Think of the 2 numbers as the colder and warmer blends. 5w40 is the most common blend out there and works well for most climates in NA. The first number is the viscosity of the cold start blend (0-15). In the NA, 5 is usually a good number for cold starts that cover most of the climates. In much colder climates (where it may be below freezing for weeks to months at a time) you can use 0. This can be used in some parts of Canada and Alaska where temps are constantly below freezing for months. Some really warm places can use 10. The second number is the viscosity of the warm blend and represents the viscosity at operating temperature (30-40-50). 30 is good for short trips and fuel economy, but not for longer trips as the engine will operate for an extended time. If the engine is running for a constant longer time (like 30 mins on a highway) the engine temps may run slightly higher and lead to viscosity breakdown (not good). 50 is good for racing engines where there are consistently higher temperatures than normal operating for the engine and can protect your engine from viscosity breakdown, but can really decrease your fuel economy. 40 is a good because it keeps the best of both worlds. So one of the best blends out there that can safely be used in most climates is 5w40.

Wow, really good explination and info! Clarifies it up well for me, as I don't know much about oil and the weights.


Also, there is some good info in the DIY in the Tech section that jbradle7 posted...and I think sometimes ECS or EuroParts runs a good "kit" deal for oil changes, but haven't compared out the prices...

[hender]

my buddy had some extra Amsoil 5w-40 , synthetic. "recommended for VW 505.01"...
only thing is I don't see it in the list above.
does this mean i shouldn't be using it, or Amsoil just doesn't send a big enough Christmas Ham to Audi?
(light came on, gotta add ASAP)

[2.7taudi]

my buddy had some extra Amsoil 5w-40 , synthetic. "recommended for VW 505.01"...
only thing is I don't see it in the list above.
does this mean i shouldn't be using it, or Amsoil just doesn't send a big enough Christmas Ham to Audi?
(light came on, gotta add ASAP)

There are lots of oils Audi hasn't approved. Doesn't mean its not a good oil. From what i hear, Amsoil is a very good oil.

[hender]

There are lots of oils Audi hasn't approved. Doesn't mean its not a good oil. From what i hear, Amsoil is a very good oil.

thanks - that's what i figured.
working in the manufacturing industry and seeing what a sham CRN/TSSA is here in Canada, I've grown to be cynical of certifications by default.

[bluetori]

Ever lift the bonnet it says castrol on the oil cap, do you have a manual maybe you should read that or do everyone a favour and take it to the dealer.

[jlaudio]

my buddy had some extra Amsoil 5w-40 , synthetic. "recommended for VW 505.01"...
only thing is I don't see it in the list above.
does this mean i shouldn't be using it, or Amsoil just doesn't send a big enough Christmas Ham to Audi?
(light came on, gotta add ASAP)

not sure why you would want to add that oil to your motor if it is not approved... if you ever have a warranty claim audi will deny a claim based on the fact that you used an unapproved oil..
just go to your local mobil station and pick up a qt of 5w40, its 502 approved and generally very cheap.

[hender]

not sure why you would want to add that oil to your motor if it is not approved... if you ever have a warranty claim audi will deny a claim based on the fact that you used an unapproved oil..
just go to your local mobil station and pick up a qt of 5w40, its 502 approved and generally very cheap.

schmeh. i just like to ask why. it's fully synthetic 5w40 from a trusted company.
my thoughts on certifications would explain why i'm reluctant to buy something new this time around when i may have a cromulent quart in my hands already. next time i'd stick with castrol or whatever.

Ever lift the bonnet it says castrol on the oil cap, do you have a manual maybe you should read that or do everyone a favour and take it to the dealer.

smartass answers only works if the answer is smart.

[bluetori]

How am I wrong says castrol on the oil cap (check) in the manual it also tells what to use (check).??

[jbradle7]

Sooo in a nutshell.....

Cars used to use non synthetic oils in the past. Back then we HAD to warm up our cars to operating temps for our oil to achieve proper viscosity. If you drove your car on a cold engine without a proper warm-up (and therefore without your oil achieving proper viscosity), you risked damaging your engine. Now, we have synthetic blend oils which are actually 2 oils with 2 different viscosity, one for colder and one for warmer.

FYI, the principles of multi-viscosity oil apply to petroleum based oils same as synthetic. You should still warm up your engine before going balls-out, synthetic or not.

[name.goes.here]

How am I wrong says castrol on the oil cap (check) in the manual it also tells what to use (check).??

+1 - says it right on the cap.

[hender]

How am I wrong says castrol on the oil cap (check) in the manual it also tells what to use (check).??

I won't argue there. But it also says castrol recommended... not required.

Castrol pays money to have their logo on the caps. It's an advertisement and nothing more. This is why we are discussing -- within the community -- equivalent or better options. Maybe someone swears by royal purple, or amsoil in my case.

A dealer can't void your warranty for not using castrol, so we begin discussion of what oils other people use.
edit: I realize they MAY void your warranty for not using proper oil. ("40W99 SEIZED UP MY ENGINE AUDI SUCKS GOING TOBMW NOW")

[sdy101]

From the Amsoil website...

"AMSOIL European Car Formula Synthetic Motor Oil is formulated to meet or exceed the most demanding European specifications. It is recommended for European gasoline and diesel vehicles requiring any of the following performance specifications:

API SN/SM
ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4
BMW LL-01
Mercedes-Benz 229.3, 229.5
Porsche A40
Renault 0710, 0700
Volkswagen 502.00, 505.00"

I highly doubt a trusted brand such as Amsoil (based on what I've read on BITOG forum) would cause any premature engine problems that an "official" VW 502.00 approved oil would not. I have used several different European formula oils in all 3 of my DI turbo cars over the years and never had any problems. Of course I always change my oil every 5k miles regardless, which to me is key...

[bluetori]

Simple question was what to use? Not can I use any and what oil? That is what it should be if it's an in depth conversation. I answered the OP ?

[2.7taudi]

From the Amsoil website...

"AMSOIL European Car Formula Synthetic Motor Oil is formulated to meet or exceed the most demanding European specifications. It is recommended for European gasoline and diesel vehicles requiring any of the following performance specifications:

API SN/SM
ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4
BMW LL-01
Mercedes-Benz 229.3, 229.5
Porsche A40
Renault 0710, 0700
Volkswagen 502.00, 505.00"

I highly doubt a trusted brand such as Amsoil (based on what I've read on BITOG forum) would cause any premature engine problems that an "official" VW 502.00 approved oil would not. I have used several different European formula oils in all 3 of my DI turbo cars over the years and never had any problems. Of course I always change my oil every 5k miles regardless, which to me is key...

This quote from Amsoil seems as if it is under their eyes that their product meets or exceeds vw expectation. Keep in mind it doesnt mean vw has approved it. Again, the oil is great no doubt, but audi for some reason has not approved it for them self.

[sdy101]

^Understood. The post wasn't intended to promote Amsoil, I was just sharing what I had read and my personal opinion based on hender's post. I personally would have no concerns using their oil in my car for 5k miles. However, I typically shop the oil sales at local automotive stores and have only used "German" Castrol 0w-30, Castrol 5w-40 (Audi dealer), and Mobil 1 0w-40 in my B7 and B8's over the last 4 years.

[hender]

but audi for some reason has not approved it for them self.

this is really the only point i want to hammer down (well, besides subtly asking if anyone's engine has blown up using amsoil)
You traditionally have to pay thousands and thousands to have something certified for somebody. If not Audi directly, third-party companies.
Amsoil probably just told Audi to fuck themselves when they wanted 100K for their 5W40 to become "approved"

/numbers are abstract & i have no proof to this claim, just from knowing some aspects of manufacturing

[>KWTT]

Lubro Moly 5w40 or Motul 5w40 x-cess

[Warren S]

Great info guys. Question, so is there a Motul 5w40 502.00 Audi "approved" I am assuming. My cars approaching 10k and i think I want to change it (dealer performed first change at 5k) and not wait til the factory recommended 15k (10k intervals).

Brad: Eurocode in Torrance has your oil. Motul 5W40 8100 X-CESS or Motul Specific 5W-40, both VW 502.00. Might be a bit of a drive coming from Valencia or you can have them ship it to you.
http://www.ecodetuning.com/shop/cart...uct_list&c=109

[Warren S]

For whatever brand oil you go with, you will need 5 quarts. Also, don't forget the oil filter, Audi Part No. 06J115403C:
I also bought a manual dipstick, just for self-reassurance, Audi Part No. 06J115611E.

[B G 8er]

Matter of fact, headed down to Eurocode for my 10k oil change appointment. Had them use the Motul 8100 Excess/VW approved. Not only did they squeeze me in for an appointment, Chris actually asked me if I preferred a German aftermarket Mann filter or the Audi OEM one which he had no problems running over to nearby Pacific Audi and to pick up for my job! Then David tightened my shift knob which was a little loose and creaky. These guys are meticulous and honest! If you live in S. Cal, highly recommend these guys for maintenance service as well as install on mods and factory replacement parts!