Viper Remote Auto Start

[yObOyGeo]

So my buddy got a new remote starter thing on his car, it's equipped with one of his keys and a GSM card that goes in the vehicle so he's able to start it anywhere from his phone, along with unlocking the doors, windows, trunk, panic, etc..

The app looks awesome, and when his alarm goes off, so does his phone. I was automatic sold.

But my question is (as stupid as it may sound) how do you get a remote starter in a manual and how does it work ? never actually stop to think about it.

[Black3.2]

no remote starter in a manual my friend

[jvega21]

from my understanding you would have to disable the clutch switch that tells the ecu/starter/ignition swith when the clutch is depressed, you might have to disable any other type of protection from the ecu, and leave your car in neutral all the time.

[nadatia]

with the car on you have to press the remote starter button, this activates the system. you park the car in neutral with the parking brake on (obviously) and then take the key out of the ignition, this turns the remote start feature to ON.

Then when you want to remotely start your car, via the app or fob, simply push the button.

I work at a dealership (not Audi) and we sell this same Viper Alarm system... works great. good range and it charges via mini-USB which is convenient if your a blackberry android user and have multiple cables!

[M|R]

no remote starter in a manual my friend

Agreed. Just wait for the day you accidentally leave it in gear and decide to remote start...

[schaefer921]

they say you can program the car so its safe, for example, when you park, while the engine is still running, pull up the E brake and put your car in neutral, then open the door and when you close the door the program will shut off your car. so technically its a little bullet proof and this way you always leave the car in neutral.

it is interesting ...

[BenSti]

I don't understand what it so hard about getting in the car and starting it with the key. It is bad for the oil and possibly engine (controversial) to start the car cold and just let it idle to warm up. If it's cold, wear a jacket?

[adub]

I don't understand what it so hard about getting in the car and starting it with the key. It is bad for the oil and possibly engine (controversial) to start the car cold and just let it idle to warm up. If it's cold, wear a jacket?

Agreed but with all the added features of security, it sounds pretty useful.

[BenSti]

Agreed but with all the added features of security, it sounds pretty useful.

Yeah, but the thing is, these cars are pretty much theft proof unless you have the key. I guess someone breaking into the car would trigger the alarm, but then again, I would assume most thieves would be wither scared off by the factory alarm, or wouldn't care at all.

Just seems like a waste to me. Plus, usually the aftermarket alarms make a clusterfuck of wiring that is hard to undo.

[yObOyGeo]

just talk to a few people down at audi and a local shop that does the install and "specialize" in European cars.

Install on manual, according to them "not a problem", they said its as common as automatic trans (hard to believe), but yeah there a series of combinations lol, you have to do as exiting the car, very similar to what Schaefer921 explained, and if you leave it in gear it simply does not work.

however half the tech's down at audi said "ABSOLUTELY NOT TO DO IT, possible wiring problems and its a wiring nightmare", and the other half said "Oh yeah, its as easy as installing a sound system and easy to remove or undo, never heard of problems coming from it"

looked thru some security features thru the app and its just awesome,'our alarms (or at least mine) its not nearly loud enough for me to hear it if its parked on the street.. unfortunately i dont know whether or not to get it now.

it definitely be nice (but deff not a must) to have the engine hot when i jump in a peel away. and warm inside when its fahhkin freezing out ! (new england)

[yObOyGeo]

no remote starter in a manual my friend

Learn something new everyday huh

[Slobo7x]

I installed the remote start in my B6 but it was auto, and it was very useful due to kids and winters. I don't know about manual, i wouldn't even try to disable the clutch switch. That's a safety problem.

[Black3.2]

Learn something new everyday huh

Usually i do learn something new everyday but not in this case... this is what you previously wrote.

however half the tech's down at audi said "ABSOLUTELY NOT TO DO IT, possible wiring problems and its a wiring nightmare"

You have had multiple people tell you that it isnt a good idea including Audi techs.

[LJH]

I am personally very leary of hacking into the harness of a car with a complicated electrical system like our Audi's....maybe this is because I have been driving Audi's for 20+ years and have had my fair share of electrical gremlins on my older Audi's.

My $0.02

Cheers,
Jim

[B6JoeS4]

What happens that one time you forgot you left the car in gear?

[antidote]

If you're going to do an alarm in the audi, do it right and put a compustar pro unit in there.

they have a auto-detecting system that tells the brain if the car is in gear and will not start the vehicle under the remote start system if it's in gear you'll just a error message on the two way remote.. and they have an iphone/droid app that you play with too

[misio12345]

ask this guy http://youtu.be/ReUalMQ52lo

[madkimchi]

I have done it on my previous Honda with manual tranny using compustar remote starter which has an option for a manual car but I wouldn't do it on any German cars. I stalling a remote start on manual can be done with almost any remote starter but its not safe since u have to bypass the clutch. There are just too many wires n electronics with German cars. Don't do it. I wouldn't even install any aftermarket alarm to this car.

[CKYmike]

DEI who owns Viper, Python, Avital, etc has this series of actions that need to be done before leaving a manual car and you will remote start it later.

Park car
foot brake down
parking brake up
foot brake up
hit remote start button
take key out of cylinder (car will stay running)
leave car
lock car (car will shut off)

If the car alarm goes off or a door open it takes it out of manual mode and you cannot remote start it until you do that sequence again. Wiring wise the only difference a stick car to an auto is the clutch wire that feeds the sensor the same signal that would be as if you had it depressed. I do the install all the time and if someone asks me to keep it in automatic mode I refuse plain and simple.

[awwturbo]

What happens that one time you forgot you left the car in gear?

I had a 96 Jetta VR6 5 speed with a remote start in it. Let my sister use it one night and she leaves it in gear. She pushed the button and all of a sudden my Jetta was in a ditch... Ever since then, no remote starts for me in manual cars

[awwturbo]

I don't understand what it so hard about getting in the car and starting it with the key. It is bad for the oil and possibly engine (controversial) to start the car cold and just let it idle to warm up. If it's cold, wear a jacket?

The OP is in the Northeast. Quite a bit colder in the winters here then in CA. On those frigid low teen to single digit mornings I'll let my car idle for a few minutes or so. That stiff feeling in the steering and the rest of the car don't make me feel to comfortable driving it. Although I don't have a remote start or a garage, I don't mind running out to start the car to warm her up. Heated seats FTW!

[Tropicgreena4]

Agreed. Just wait for the day you accidentally leave it in gear and decide to remote start...

a buddy of mine did this, and his car ended up part way into his living room...

[billyp7718]

DEI who owns Viper, Python, Avital, etc has this series of actions that need to be done before leaving a manual car and you will remote start it later.

Park car
foot brake down
parking brake up
foot brake up
hit remote start button
take key out of cylinder (car will stay running)
leave car
lock car (car will shut off)

If the car alarm goes off or a door open it takes it out of manual mode and you cannot remote start it until you do that sequence again. Wiring wise the only difference a stick car to an auto is the clutch wire that feeds the sensor the same signal that would be as if you had it depressed. I do the install all the time and if someone asks me to keep it in automatic mode I refuse plain and simple.

What He said ^^^ it is all about the install

[NickyAsixx3sixx]

I have remote start in my 6 speed S4.

I can start the car without pushing down the clutch with the key so I'm sure that has something to do with the remote start bypass for the clutch.

Remote start is great!

[Axel-]

I don't understand the remote start thing. You'd have to leave it idling for over 5 minutes for it to finally start heating up on a cold day. You're going to let the car idle like that from a cold start?

Anyway, if you're concerned about vehicle theft, just get a lojack device with the pro-active alert mechanism (they call you if the car moves without the key fob in the car).

It might not be easy to steal the car with the new anti-theft systems but they can still be towed and worked on at the thief's convenience later on. When was the last time you questioned the tow truck driver towing a car?

[NickyAsixx3sixx]

I don't understand the remote start thing. You'd have to leave it idling for over 5 minutes for it to finally start heating up on a cold day. You're going to let the car idle like that from a cold start?

Anyway, if you're concerned about vehicle theft, just get a lojack device with the pro-active alert mechanism (they call you if the car moves without the key fob in the car).

It might not be easy to steal the car with the new anti-theft systems but they can still be towed and worked on at the thief's convenience later on. When was the last time you questioned the tow truck driver towing a car?

What do u mean "you're going to let the car idle like that from a cold start"... what else do u do?

[Axel-]

What do u mean "you're going to let the car idle like that from a cold start"... what else do u do?

Start driving...right away...as per the manufacturer's recommendation.

[Tropicgreena4]

Start driving...right away...as per the manufacturer's recommendation.

^^This

[Lexxielex]

Neutral safety switch and done.

[FastEddie]

I always let my idle drop below 1000rpm (800 or so) before taking off. (roughly 1 min of idling). I dont see the appeal in remote start and being a manual, have fun like my friend did starting it when its in gear. Car drove through garage, hit his Street bike (only a month old) ripped the garage door down and damaged the inside wall. AND HE WAS LIVING IN FLORIDA AT THE TIME!!!!!