2013 Audi A4 or 2012 Audi S4

[nister5]

Hey what's up guys, I'm a new person to the Audi world and never owned one so this will be my first. I had always been driving BMW's so this will be a change. (Hopefully a good one). So I've been deciding whether to get a brand new 2013 Audi A4 or a Used 2012 S4. I'm kinda leaning towards the S4 because I honestly don't think the A4 is "sporty" enough, but I honestly don't know... I never had experience with Audi and hope if you guys can give me some suggestions.

Thanks and Cheers

Noah

[Toecutter]

S4. /thread.

[oc cc]

S4. /thread.

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[Ultbruin]

how about a 2013 S4?

[Blackstallion]

This is a no brainer!

Haha money isnt a issue..s4 brotha! I dont even mind the new facelifted 13's too, however an S is an S no denying that. The potential the s4 has under that hood.. wooo wee! Go drive one and im sure youll never look back.

Goodluck with your journey..hopefully Audi takes another BMW customer.

Also maybe tell us what you look for in a car..maybe some background on your previous cars.

Shit for all i know, you could care less about power. I did see the word "SPORTY" though..

[nick71692]

s4 end of story, dont look back

[Blackstallion]

x2

x3 you ladies are quick!

[NetMagi]

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no offense to the A4 crowd. . but the A4 is a "sedan", the S4 is a "sports car". . . that also happens to be a sedan.

S4 all the way.

-Rich H.

P.S.

I have an 11 with ridiculously low miles for sale

[nister5]

no offense to the A4 crowd. . but the A4 is a "sedan", the S4 is a "sports car". . . that also happens to be a sedan.

S4 all the way.

-Rich H.

P.S.

I have an 11 with ridiculously low miles for sale

I saw yours haha looks pretty sick. Should lower price a little :p, and yeah I'm probably going to get the S4, if I do get it I'll put some pics up!
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[DavidD]

I'm wondering why you would actually consider the A4?? What are YOU looking for from this car?

[Sasho]

Yeah man, no brainier dude. I have a '12 S4 that's in the shop now and they gave me a 2013 A4 as a loaner and its simply not the same...much less fun, at least for me. Bottom line, I miss my car like crazy!!!! Go with an '12 S4 and you'll be thanking us later that you did




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[thekunk12]

i thank odin every day that i chose the s4

[Toecutter]

I had a chipped A4 S-Line that was actually pretty quick (not nearly as much as the S4 of course, but really pretty decent for a "sedan") and it handled pretty well with the sport suspension. About the only place I could see the A4 being a better choice would be if you had to do a lot of long distance driving and had to buy your own gas. After the APR chip I was averaging high 20's mpg around town and mid 30's highway. I'll be amazed if I ever break 20mpg in my S4.

[Okan509]

I'd stick to BMW for this generation. the new f30 is FAST and really tunable.

[ahcow]

I have a 2010 S4, my friend just got a fully loaded 2013 A4. I drove that car for hours during a road trip, while interior is improvement, I still love my car more. The A4 lacks in the higher power and the feel is different. Even though my friend's is S-line, it just isn't the same. If performance matters, S4 is the way to go. If you are like my friend and don't care about performance, get the A4.

[13S4]

x3 you ladies are quick!

x4

[Moose201]

If you are worried that the A4 won't be sporty enough then go with your gut.

[VeryBadman]

No brainer, S4 all the way. Even with all the goodies in 2013, they still don't make up for the engine in S4.

[chrisbryan89]

S4... I was deciding between the s4 and A5 (S5 was just a little out of my budget). Decided to go with the A5 for it's looks and I have regretted it ever since. Even tho my car is quite fun to drive with it's tune, it's nowhere near the driving experience of the S. I go drive an s4 probably twice a month and it just re-enforces my bad decision even more. Come next summer I will have an s4. Go with your gut on this one my friend

[jfabes]

S4. /thread.

x1 gazillion

[riegeraudi]

I'd stick to BMW for this generation. the new f30 is FAST and really tunable.

The e90 with the N54 engine is more tuneable than the F30 with the N55. Also this gen F30 doesn't handle as well as last gen e90. This gen e90 has been refined which means softened to satisfy the larger market. Have you driven one yet?
If not then go drive one and also you can check out this review.

[jfabes]

i see a dozen different 335's every day, most driven by middle aged women or dudes who don't look like they know how to unlock the doors let alone tune a car. i respect the car for its tunability and speed but the non-enthusiast market is so flooded with them that i could not bring myslef to ever own one....i don't care how fast it is. and isn't a new 335 out of the op's budget? isn't a decenlty equipped 335 over $50k? honestly, i'm surprised he's not comparing a 2013 A4 with a 2010-11 S4.

[Okan509]

I wasn't talking about the 335... the 4 liter lol. I hear it's a better car than this gen's 335. almost as fast, better fuel economy, and should solve some of the weight issues.

that's if you have to have a new car(or want to lease a car, audi doesn't have too good of prices leasing).

If I had to choose over an A4 and the f30, I'd go f30. At the end of the day the S4 wins the "all of the above" category, whether it be a 2013 or a >2013

[riegeraudi]

You comparing a 328i to S4? Either way the F30 328i and 335i more or less drive the same. The 328i more agile but the 335i is still faster. I drove both and S4 still better than either in my opinion.
Either way go drive the new F30 an you will find it drives way different than the e9x. That said I haven't driven the 2013 S4 with the electronic steering yet.
If you are talking F30 328i vs A4 than I would agree that the F30 is better than the A4 if you get one without the steering wheel vibration.
The new F30 328i is pretty expensive once you start adding the options.

[omegax]

s4 all the way. nice comparison video someone posted.

[brooklyn86]

Every on-ramp I hit. Every sweeping corner I take. Every car I overtake.

Each reminds me why I love my S4

[PaperishPlastic]

S4 engine coupled with sport diff=game over.

[dlev91]

Honestly dumb question. Get the s4 and enjoy the hell out of it. I could've waited and gotten a 13 but didn't and I don't regret a thing. You'll never want another BMW I came from a 328.

[oc cc]

I think I should chime in on behalf of the A4 crowd. It is true, an S4 with sports diff is a completely different experience than an A4. However, in most cases, the A4 is just as sporty (if not more so) than the S4 without the sports diff. It has all the same mechanical parts if you get the S-line, and there is less weight hanging off the front axel if you get the 2.0. Also, the 2 litre with stage 2 may only make about 240awhp, but it makes well over 300awtq, which is pretty fun and sporty (especially considering the cost of tune + HFC + install is only $1200). If that is not enough, the k04 is a very cheap upgrade that will not only give you a very fat power band, but it's acceleration should be similar to a STOCK (non tuned) S4. A tuned S4 is a different story altogether. All the suspension mods are the same between the two as well. Now, for people like me who are speed freaks and power junkies, an S4 made more sense, but I needed the Avant. Thus, I ended up with an A4. However, plenty of people in the A4 crowd have moved up for the very reason that the A4 was simply not fast enough, even when tuned. And admittedly, even if you get a bigger turbo, that supercharger whine screaming like a banshee with ~400hp under the hood is something the A4s can never touch. However, for others, a simple stage 1 tune on the A4 was plenty to make them fall in love with their car. Ultimately it comes down to this: are you looking for fun, or speed? If you are looking for a torquey and engaging car, the A4 is more than enough. If you are looking for speed, then no contest, S4 is worth the price premium.

There is one factor though I am surprised not many have mentioned here. The S is a very special and exclusive car. You don't see many of them on the road at all, but A4 sedans are everywhere. Just driving it feels special because you know there isn't one right around the corner. That alone is worth the premium to some.

[Toecutter]

Good points about the tuned A4. My chipped A4 was pretty fun, and it was nice getting 30+mpg on long drives.

One other thing the S4 has over the A4 is the seats. The S4 seats are FAR better than the A4 seats.

[A4 Joe]

I must had my S4 in for service and the dealer gave me an A4 as a loaner. I was shocked at the difference. A4 seemed very basic, underpowered and spartan to me. I guess the extra $20k in cost makes a difference. More than a different motor.

Go S4... Otherwise you may not be happy.

[MailmanOdd]

I must had my S4 in for service and the dealer gave me an A4 as a loaner. I was shocked at the difference. A4 seemed very basic, underpowered and spartan to me. I guess the extra $20k in cost makes a difference. More than a different motor.

Go S4... Otherwise you may not be happy.

Completely agree. I drove a B7 A4. Then I bought my B8 S4. Took it in for service and drove a B8 A4 and I was like UGH HOW DID I LIVE WITH THIS???

[VeryBadman]

Completely agree. I drove a B7 A4. Then I bought my B8 S4. Took it in for service and drove a B8 A4 and I was like UGH HOW DID I LIVE WITH THIS???

Same experience for me. LOL Actually just last week I even got a 2013 A4 with MMI 3G+ but still nah, I still love my S4 much more.

[thekunk12]

sorry but i lol'd, yes just as sporty give or take 120 hp. i know everyone on here loves a tune but i prefer perfect natural c cups over fake d's.

I think I should chime in on behalf of the A4 crowd. It is true, an S4 with sports diff is a completely different experience than an A4. However, in most cases, the A4 is just as sporty (if not more so) than the S4 without the sports diff. It has all the same mechanical parts if you get the S-line, and there is less weight hanging off the front axel if you get the 2.0. Also, the 2 litre with stage 2 may only make about 240awhp, but it makes well over 300awtq, which is pretty fun and sporty (especially considering the cost of tune + HFC + install is only $1200). If that is not enough, the k04 is a very cheap upgrade that will not only give you a very fat power band, but it's acceleration should be similar to a STOCK (non tuned) S4. A tuned S4 is a different story altogether. All the suspension mods are the same between the two as well. Now, for people like me who are speed freaks and power junkies, an S4 made more sense, but I needed the Avant. Thus, I ended up with an A4. However, plenty of people in the A4 crowd have moved up for the very reason that the A4 was simply not fast enough, even when tuned. And admittedly, even if you get a bigger turbo, that supercharger whine screaming like a banshee with ~400hp under the hood is something the A4s can never touch. However, for others, a simple stage 1 tune on the A4 was plenty to make them fall in love with their car. Ultimately it comes down to this: are you looking for fun, or speed? If you are looking for a torquey and engaging car, the A4 is more than enough. If you are looking for speed, then no contest, S4 is worth the price premium.

There is one factor though I am surprised not many have mentioned here. The S is a very special and exclusive car. You don't see many of them on the road at all, but A4 sedans are everywhere. Just driving it feels special because you know there isn't one right around the corner. That alone is worth the premium to some.

[ahcow]

My car has issue in the first week of ownership, so I had a B8A4 loaner for 5 days. I didn't have my car for long before I had to bring it in, so it's not like I am totally used to the speed. The A4 felt similar to my old 328i. Interior was lacking (it was base I think) and when I finally got my car back, I found it even faster than I remember it and I made me appreciate it even more.

Having said that, I drove the 2013 A4 S-line and the new stuff are nicer if you load it up. If you don't drive fast, just get the A4. I wouldn't but everyone's priorities are different.

[b6onboost]

S4.

I believe a 2011/12 CPO S4 is a much better value than a 2013 A4. A well optioned A4 will be in the mid-high $40s. For that you can pick up a nice, low mile, Certified S4 which will not only be a better overall car, but will also come with a little added warranty coverage (atleast mileage wise even if years are the same).

[TikKToc]

I can speak from experience on this one lol. Bought a 2012 A4 S-line with the Sport pkg to get the nice seats and suspension and Chipped it right away. 3 months later I was looking at K04 upgrade and by 6 months I was back trading it in on the car I KNEW I should have bought to begin with. The 2012 S4 was different in every way, sure the power is addictive, but the handling with the sport differential and the DSG vs. the 8 speed tip were all equally better than the A4. The S4 is effortless to drive in almost any situation and if you can keep your foot out of it, which will be hard, you can manage respectable MPG for what it is. I see 24-26 avg on highway trips doing 75-85 and about 22-23 blended if I go easy.


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[FrankO]

I wasn't talking about the 335... the 4 liter lol. ....

4 liter?....

Besides the fact that the S4 is superior to the Bimmer IMO, take a look at the interior..you know where you spend all your time..its kind of like Secretariat.......the Audi is 40 lengths ahead.

[kap09]

S4. I owned a B8 A4 before picking up my S, and there is zero comparison.

[Gweezil]

I can speak from experience on this one lol. Bought a 2012 A4 S-line with the Sport pkg to get the nice seats and suspension and Chipped it right away. 3 months later I was looking at K04 upgrade and by 6 months I was back trading it in on the car I KNEW I should have bought to begin with.

This. Only a 2010 A4 and 2 years of pleading before the wife finally gave in. Go S4. Problem is, what's next? Has to be that beasty TT V8 S6.