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    Where do you guys get yours from? I'm tired of the ATP garbage sent to me. Snapped one stud in the manifold and the other one semi-stripped my threads coming out. Second time I had a bad experience with their studs, and yet I should have learned first time around. This time around, looking for a quality stud. Also going to have them tac welded in place. But before that, I need to know of a quality stud that won't turn to sh*t on me and not let me take the nut off. PSi Concepts has some good ones, but I don't know when I will get them if I did order. Need some help here guys. Thanks!

    *I am referring to the m10x1.5 studs and locking nuts

    Edit: Nvmd. Decided to go a different route. Not going to run a gasket, get the exhaust housing and manifold machined flat, have my machinist tap the m10x1.5 threads deeper, and run ARP m10x1.5x20 bolts.
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    I'm not familiar with your setup. do you have a psi t3 mani? if so then m10x1.5 25mm bolts should fit fine... thats what i'm using.

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    I used to have the PSi setup, then switched to an RAI setup (only tapped deep enough for studs). I used to run the ARP 25mm bolts on the PSi Concept mani. I used the wrong ones and stripped the threads. Should have used the SS ones instead of the chromoly ones. Well, you live and you learn. They replaced the manifold under warranty, though. But during this process, I decided to switch things up. Below are before and after pic.

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    I had issues with my studs/bolts backing out also. Have not had an issue since I did this:

    Decked turbine and manifold:



    Nissan T3 metal gasket:



    Stage 8 bolts (they carry studs also):



    Loctite and norlock washers:



    Boom goes the dynamite:





    No problems since.
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    I haven't had that issue with my SPA manifold. One of thing only things I haven't had an issue with.
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    I would never run another turbo without these again....






    and I'm sure these helped





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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan[FN]6262 View Post
    I haven't had any issues with my SPA manifold either. One of thing only things I haven't had an issue with.
    did you ever weld the crack on the manifold?

    Quote Originally Posted by MmmBoost View Post
    I haven't had a single problem with my turbo since I went to M10 inconel studs, stage 8 locking nuts, and running without a gasket.
    Same here.
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    actually no, it's been cracked for a very long time. It was even cracked when I dyno'd lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by SleeperAvant View Post
    Same here.
    Keep in mind I was using 8mm studs before. So many times I dealt with loose nuts or broken studs.
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    Do you guys happen to know the Stage 8 PN for the m10x1.5 bolt kit? I ordered ARP bolts already, but this just looks like a way better alternative. I am thinking it is this: http://www.jegs.com/i/Stage-8/868/4928/10002/-1
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    I was told 3904 by stage 8. They just got back in stock on amazon, on their way to me now so can't confirm fitment yet of the 25mm bolt:

    http://www.amazon.com/Stage-10mm-Tur...s=stage+8+3904
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    Just called them. They said to not use the header kit on a turbo application. He gave me the PN for an m10x1.5x25 hex head bolt turbo application. Did a little Google searching, and found them on Amazon for $40 shipped. Going to order after I post this. Thanks a bunch, guys

    And if anybody else is interested in the above specs, the part number is 3904.

    http://www.amazon.com/Stage-10mm-Tur...s=stage+8+3904

    Edit: Late post . Thanks nofearhawk. But to add more to the thread, these won't fit into my current manifold. My machinist is more than likely going to have to cut the bolts down some because I don't want the bolts ending up in the runners (tapping too far). Dan may know how deep I can have my machinist tap, if he chimes in.
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    Oh sh*t. I applied for the Amazon (Visa) card couple months back and I use it purely for my gas card because it is always 2% cash back. Went to buy the Stage 8 bolts and they gave me $21.xx in credit towards my purchase due to my cash back. Cost me $23 shipped with taxes. haha

    Oh yeah, my ARP bolts I ordered are back ordered so I was able to cancel the order because they did not ship out yet. Lucky me.
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    I run the PSI manifold, any idea if the bolts need to be "trimmed" to fit?
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    25mm will fit just fine. That is what I used to run with ARP bolts.
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    Using Loctite on the turbo studs or bolts is pointless, since the high operating temperature destroys the loctite first start up. In fact, when an assembly that has Loctite applied is difficult to disassemble, using heat allows the parts to be disassembled easily by softening the Loctite. I do not know of a high temp thread locking compound readily available, but there is probably something for special applications.(and $$) Tack welding the studs in the manifold is also not recommended, since welding cast iron requires special procedures, and won't prevent the studs from stretching and loosening if made from non high temp rated steel. Pinning Inconel studs is needed to prevent the studs from backing out, but if torqued when installed, should not happen with Inconel studs and with the turbo supported by bracing bracket/s.

    The 10mm Inconel studs and nuts with the mechanical nut locks is the hot setup remedy for loosening turbo fasteners, and is the best most practical solution. Running without a flange gasket, with milled flat flange faces is a fail-proof additional measure worth using as well.
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    Already decided on the Stage 8 locking "bolts" with milled flat manifold and turbine housing flanges...no gasket. Some modification will be needed to make it work, though. Work that I don't necessarily trust myself doing (ie drilling, tapping, and correct cutting of bolts to make them shorter). So, leaving that to the machinist. Once the parts come in and the work is done, I'll update with pics on and off the car.

    Parts already out and awaiting arrival of bolts to drop parts off at machinist.

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    BTW, grade 8 metric fasteners are not necessarily still grade 8 when at an operating temp of~300 > ~1600 deg F and maybe higher, and grade strength class is not applicable at elevated temperatures.
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    When I installed my Inconel studs, I used the supplied extreme-temp threadlocker that they supplied with the stud kit. I also took a center punch and staked the material around the studs in about 3-4 places to increase the mechanical grip on the threads. Been running then almost a year like this at 30 PSI with no loose nuts/studs.
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    Same here, 30psi (have had it at 35psi and 9K rpm) and have had no issues running my Stage 8 bolts and locking nuts now. Running high boost everyday all spring, summer, and fall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MmmBoost View Post
    When I installed my Inconel studs, I used the supplied extreme-temp threadlocker that they supplied with the stud kit. I also took a center punch and staked the material around the studs in about 3-4 places to increase the mechanical grip on the threads. Been running then almost a year like this at 30 PSI with no loose nuts/studs.
    Quote Originally Posted by nein-reis View Post
    Same here, 30psi (have had it at 35psi and 9K rpm) and have had no issues running my Stage 8 bolts and locking nuts now. Running high boost everyday all spring, summer, and fall.
    Take it from the turbo studs.
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    Said I was going to update this thread when I get it done, but ran into a snag. Hit a deer with my sister's vehicle and the family beater has a valve body scheduled to come in on Monday. This happened Friday night, so Saturday it was crunch time to put my car back together. Stag 8 bolts came in Friday and plan was to drop the turbine housing, bolts, and manifold off at my machinist on Monday. Well, since it was crunch time I had to put my car back together. Found a different machinist, but this guy was not good to me. He got everything done I needed besides milling the flanges flat. And I think he overcharged me. Oh well. So, I am able to use the stg 8 bolts (dropped one of the clips in the engine bay somewhere, so I have an ARP bolt on one hole). But the flanges are not completely flat and I know this gasket will blow also. It is inevitable. So, things didn't quite work out how I wanted. But now that I have the parts necessary to get this done, I'll eventually get the flanges milled flat and hopefully not deal with this gasket blowing again.

    But even after this, my car has an issue. Hopefully it is just the hall sender aka cam position sensor (already ordered, after some diagnosing). If not, I know it is due to some cracked sheathing on my wiring harness and will need to source out a replacement harness to swap in (cheapest route for a proper fix).

    Anyways, I'll take pics of the Stg 8 bolts (3 of them anyways) on my vehicle. Need to buy a replacement clip or go to Home Depot to find something that will work.
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    Curious, Where did you guys go to get your turbo hot side machined flat like that? Any machine shop? How much did it cost? Do i need to take the turbo apart in order to do this?

    How about the manifold? How will they secure it? Are they just going to take it to a belt sander or what?

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    They use an actual milling machine (all metal). No sander. They will place the turbine housing and manifold (separate times) into a jig that will hold it in place when clamped to the jig and milling table of the machine. Have it level, and the milling machine has a bit that is used to mill the flange flat (this is what I seen done at the last place I went. my regular machinist I just drop stuff off, pick it up, and my machinist I normally go to knows what he is doing. does it quick and efficient). They shave off by increments till the flange is completely flat (they have tools that can tell them when it is completely flat). The machine is operated manually and not by a computer. The machinist himself does the work of making it flat with the milling machine. As for cost, it will vary from machinist to machinist. I can't recall how much I paid last time, but it is not necessarily cheap for something that may seem so simple ($60-125 per flange depending where you go).
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    good info here !

    you guys make pictures of nuts and bolts look so good.
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    Update:

    My turbine housing was warped too bad for me to want to keep it, so I purchased a replacement (sucks because my last one was 2000* ceramic coated). Thinking it would now be good, I just slapped it onto my car with a brand new Cometic T3 gasket. Well, that blew too. So, thinking now that maybe I was giving too much credit to the Cometic gasket, I decided to pick up the Nissan gasket posted above.



    After torquing that down, I could clearly see a small gap on the top of the flange where the gasket blew out last time. Knowing that this gasket would be destined to blow, bit the bullet and got the flanges milled. But when I had it milled, my machinist said he milled the flange on the manifold that that mates to the head also. He said this was the worst. The T3 flanges got the standard .0001". But the flange that bolts to the head needed .0003" removed. Shocking. Anyways, now am running my car gasket-less and wish I did this from the beginning. Pushed the car hard and all is good. Exhaust is still quiet and no raspy sound from any form of leak I can detect. Of course it is not sealed 100%, but it presents no noise of a leak. Also running the Stage 8 Locking bolt kit. I suggest people go this route, to save themselves the headache from the start.



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    Bump for yet another update

    Been running the above with success for a good run (since the date posted above), but that setup too is flawed. The Stage 8 bolts will stretch over time and leave yet another gap. The gap that it created on my current setup burned my turbo blanket to the point I had to throw it in the trash. Next up is taking Chris' route. Ordered the same kit he is running, and hopefully that will be the end of this issue. Kit is pricey, but it seems it works.

    I basically did the same thing Tyler did, but without a gasket. But his setup is a top mount while mine is a side mount. The bottom Stage 8 bolts still have a perfect seal, but the 2 top ones are stretched on my setup. If you look at my turbo setup above on how the turbo is mounted, you can basically tell the heat and weight of the turbo basically took it's toll over time. Here is a different pic to get a better idea.



    Anyways, here is the link to the expensive kit. And a warning for anybody with a side mount to not go the route I went.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nein-reis View Post
    I had issues with my studs/bolts backing out also. Have not had an issue since I did this:

    Decked turbine and manifold:



    Nissan T3 metal gasket:



    Stage 8 bolts (they carry studs also):



    Loctite and norlock washers:



    Boom goes the dynamite:





    No problems since.

    That has got to be the highest quality photos of bolts I have ever seen!
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    The reason that the commonly used steel fasteners where failing in this application was misunderstood by almost everyone at first. The fasteners where not only loosening from vibration, and turning backwards, but instead, the bolts where actually stretching at operating temperature. The typical response was to retighten the fasteners further, only to stretch some more when heated up afterward. I advised using Inconel turbo to manifold studs when problems started happening with stretched regular steel fasteners on BAT setups. Chris was the first to make the effort to install Inconel fasteners, successfully demonstrating that Inconel is the only truly reliable high temp fastener material suitable for this application. This is especially the case since almost no one bothers fabricating proper support brackets for BAT setups. BTW, even the OE K-03 turbo to manifold bolts are either high temp stainless steel, (high nickel content alloy,) or Inconel type material. (high nickel content alloy with better high temp strength.)

    Running without a flange gasket eliminates the possibility of the gasket blowing out, but even with milled flanges, the surfaces do not stay flat at higher temps. This is why using a stainless steel clad flange gasket with proper high temp rated fasteners is the best way to go, providing the best long term seal over the temp range from cold to hot, as the parts thermal cycle every time the car is driven.
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    I still have my Nissan gasket. Guess I should throw that on too, then.
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    I'll probably never run another gasket ever again. I'll put up with a small amount of leakage (if it happens) to never have to deal with a chunk missing out of a gasket causing a massive leak.........which means pulling everything to fix the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diagnosticator View Post
    The reason that the commonly used steel fasteners where failing in this application was misunderstood by almost everyone at first. The fasteners where not only loosening from vibration, and turning backwards, but instead, the bolts where actually stretching at operating temperature. The typical response was to retighten the fasteners further, only to stretch some more when heated up afterward. I advised using Inconel turbo to manifold studs when problems started happening with stretched regular steel fasteners on BAT setups. Chris was the first to make the effort to install Inconel fasteners, successfully demonstrating that Inconel is the only truly reliable high temp fastener material suitable for this application. This is especially the case since almost no one bothers fabricating proper support brackets for BAT setups. BTW, even the OE K-03 turbo to manifold bolts are either high temp stainless steel, (high nickel content alloy,) or Inconel type material. (high nickel content alloy with better high temp strength.)

    Running without a flange gasket eliminates the possibility of the gasket blowing out, but even with milled flanges, the surfaces do not stay flat at higher temps. This is why using a stainless steel clad flange gasket with proper high temp rated fasteners is the best way to go, providing the best long term seal over the temp range from cold to hot, as the parts thermal cycle every time the car is driven.
    A little more info to go along with the great information provided by diagnosticator.
    http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...=1#post8593414
    and some good reading in regards to installation of the studs, per Corky Bell from the miata forums.
    http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=430505
    My view; The stud must have a shoulder against which the engaged threads will pull against. This does three things, two are serious.

    One, the threads pull on the shoulder thus putting tension in the engaged threads. This reduces the magnitude of any oscillating tensile loads as they affect the stud. That lowers fatigue failures in stud.

    Second, the tensile load in the engaged threads pulls a compressive stress into the local material surrounding the stud. Fatigue failures cannot happen in compressive stress. Sort of like preloading concrete.

    These two items create a substanntially stronger joint.

    Third, if a stud is only finger tight in the base material, it will feel all the external load added to it in the top couple couple threads. Not quite so bad if torqued up.

    Aside from the above, ARP suggests the total load (torqued up tension + external load)on a stud must not exceed the basic strength of the stud or of a through bolt with a nut. This is not so. If a torqued up bolt/stud has 100 pounds of tension and an external load of 100 more pounds of load is added, the load in the stud will not be 200 lbs. The answer to this odd circumstance is hidden in the relative modulous of elasticity(s) of the base material and of the stud. The real additional load depends on the exact circumstances, but will generally be about 40 to 50% of the external load.

    For the above reasons, a helicopter can be many pounds lighter than otherwise, and still offering the proper margins of safety.

    The web has better explanations than these.

    For the torque values of the stud alone, I like to use 35/40% of the recommended value for the nut on the stud. I like molysulfide paste on the threads, washers and nut. When torquing the nut I use 90% of the recommended value due to the moly.

    Corky

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    Quote Originally Posted by MmmBoost View Post
    Pssshhhhhhtttttttt.......where do you think he got the idea from???
    Years of taking photos of my interests. Sorry to steal your thunder Chris, I'll stick to the cell phone from now on.
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    T3 flange solution from 2 years ago this week. Still not one leak and have never needed to take it apart since.

    http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/422519

    Quote Originally Posted by dougyfresh View Post
    My turbine housing and manifold went over to my friend's shop so he can machine everything. He took off 0.100" from the end of the manifold that mates with the head!

    The middle between cyl 2 and 3 was the highest point. I recalled never having this surface machined when I bought the manifold and installed it. I had the T3 flange machined instead. I wonder if its been out from when it was cast at Treadstone? Oh well, its fixed now.

    I also had the T3 flange machined to within 0.001". Perfectly flat! (I don't use a T3 gasket as I always blow 'em out).

    first pass on the bridgeport. Damn. Looks warped.


    that's much better


    I then looked at my ARP bolts and realized that the threads were fucked. Hmm. What do I do next? New bolts are about $15.00. The answer? Something more expensive and known to not loosen up. I spent my lunch break one Friday searching all over the internet for my answer. I found it and it resided in California. I remembered hearing about these guys in the mid 1990s when I was restoring my Chevelle. Lots of guys use their fasteners for bolting headers to small and big block chevy heads. I didn't see the bolt I needed for my application but their website said they do custom work and also do US Military contracts. Hmm. Why not give 'em a call?

    10minutes later I had four 10mm locking bolts being USPS Priority shipped to my door. Glenn at Stage8 Fasteners was super helpful and put together a custom turbo flange bolt kit for me.


    The standard #3903 turbo flange kit but with 10mm 1.5pitch bolts instead of 1.25pitch bolts. They are probably going to make this a separate kit number as I am not the first to call them asking for a 10mm 1.5 pitch bolt. 4130 chro-moly hardened steel bolts (25mm length) with stainless steel 'teardrop' locking tabs and c-clips.

    The design works like this
    1) You install the bolts without anything on the threads (loc tite, etc..) and torque them down to 30-40ft-lbs
    2) You install the asymmetric teardrop tabs so that the tab is facing the item you are bolting down. The orientation of the teardrop is such so that when the bolt starts to loosen (turns counter clock-wise when looking at the head) the teardrop comes in contact with the item being bolted down and the bolt does not rotate anymore. The teardrops are 12point which interlock on the 6point bolt head. They are ever-so-slightly asymmetric so that if one orientation doesn't work you can flip it over and it should line up.
    3) Once satisfied then push the teardrop down until it bottoms out on the bolt head flange and insert the c-clip in the groove within the bolt head.
    4) Done. It'll never back out now.

    No more messing with NordLock washers. No more messing with loc-tite or anything else. This is a mechanical means of locking the bolt. Unless the threads in the exhaust manifold shear there is no way this will back out prematurely. Especially if properly torqued down.

    The downside is a set of four bolts cost me $52 shipped. Now, before you freak out about the price think about how much it will cost you (both time and materials) to redo the T3 bolts on your turbine flange two or three times. More than $52, right? Yup. When put into that perspective this cost is nothing.

    Okay. So now that my flanges are machined its time to reassemble.


    At this point in the game I realized I forgot one thing... The bolt heads are HUGE. The size of the bolt head flange is about the diameter of a nickel. They require a 14mm socket. My turbine flange did not have a flat face for the bolt to be properly torqued down onto. I didn't have these bolts in my possession when at the machine shop. Knowing that the critically stressed part of the bolt is the fillet from the bolt neck to the bolt head flange I knew to get the proper pre-load and torque I needed the bolt head to sit on a flat surface. Out comes my angle grinder and about an hour's worth of very delicate grinding on the turbine flange to ensure flat surface.

    Now we can torque this flange down proper. I used 40-45ft-lbs even though I was told 30-40ft-lbs.

    as you can see I took quite a bit of material off in areas.

    Also note the orientation of the teardrops.


    Not to within 0.001" but good enough for an angle grinder. Note the slot machined into the bolt head for the c-clip.


    I like this picture. This is about as much as I can do to match Tyler and Chris.


    all done


    all re-assembled and properly clocked. time to go back in the car.

    (some Agnostic Front playing on the iPhone)


    Enjoy!
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    Yeah, the bolts that came with my kit were not those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seerlah View Post
    Already decided on the Stage 8 locking "bolts" with milled flat manifold and turbine housing flanges...no gasket. Some modification will be needed to make it work, though. Work that I don't necessarily trust myself doing (ie drilling, tapping, and correct cutting of bolts to make them shorter). So, leaving that to the machinist. Once the parts come in and the work is done, I'll update with pics on and off the car.

    Parts already out and awaiting arrival of bolts to drop parts off at machinist.

    This may be dumb and I'm not helping the thread.....but why you have 3 o2 sensors?
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