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    B8 A4 2.0 TFSI DIY: Carbon Intake Valve Cleaning

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    This is a pretty easy job and you don’t need many specialized tools. It took me about 5 hours but I am a perfectionist. This is usually offset by the fact that I work very quickly. So plan on 5+ hours from start to finish. You need normal sockets, a 24 mm socket, a long (~15” extension), a T30 torx bit, and an air compressor. You actually need to hardly remove any hardware to perform this.

    You are going to need at least two cans of BG Induction System Cleaner (ISC) as well as an assortment of brushes and scrapers. I also got a rifle cleaning kit which has a stick with wire brushes that you can connect to the end because I knew the space would be tight and I thought it may work well to clean the carbon. It did work fairly well. I had to order the BG ISC off ebay because I think it is somewhat difficult to find. It is made for exactly this job. While people complain about nothing taking this crap off, this cleaner does about as good a job as your could possibly hope for. It is well worth finding and buying it for this task.



    You NEED to get at least two pairs of heavy duty rubber gloves. This cleaner is so nasty that if you didn’t use gloves, your hands would probably melt off. At one point one finger tip ripped and I got the stuff on my skin and my skin completely shriveled and felt like it had been burned. You have been warned.

    Start the repair with the car on ramps/jack stands and in neutral. Either use ramps in front and jack stands in back or use all four jackstands. It sounds like a pretty stupid idea to just put the front on ramps and then go put it in neutral. You are just asking for trouble if you do that. You're going to need the car in neutral so that you can turn the crankshaft near the end of the repair to close the open valve(s).

    Step 1: Remove the PCV line at Valve Cover and Manifold connections.



    Step 2: Remove the intercooler hose connection to the throttle body as well as at the cold side intercooler exit hose using a 7mm socket on the hose clamps.



    Step 3: There are a sh*tload of connectors mated to the manifold. Start taking them off.
    One at the valve cover. Snake this one under the manifold once you’ve removed it.



    One at the throttle body with another one (IAT sensor) directly above it.



    One at the base of the oil filter. Cut the zip tie connecting this wire to a small bracket on the alternator.



    Three aft of the throttle body and underneath the manifold.



    One near the evap canister.



    Step 4: Remove the green harness from the bracket aft of the throttle body and below the manifold. It will slide aft and disconnect from the plastic bracket. This one will hang you up when you try and pull the manifold if you don't disconnect it.



    Step 5: Remove the vacuum line from the ???. Mine had a crimp type hose clamp but it was loose enough that I was able to just slide it down the hose. Then I had to use a channel locks to break the rubber hose free from the connection so that it would come off. Do yourself a favor and get a reusable hose clamp here for when you reassemble it. If you end up having to cut this one off it will totally suck because the access is pretty bad. Hopefully Audi did as crappy of a job on yours as they did on mine and you'll be able to get it to slide off without cutting it.



    Step 6: Use another channel locks to loosen the hose clamp connecting the rubber hose to the evap canister. Slide the clamp down the line and then de-mate the hose from the canister inlet.



    Step 7: Pop this annoying wire holder off the tiny bracket because it completely obstructs the 10mm nut you’re going to have to get to.





    Step 8: Disconnect the turbo coolant supply line from the manifold by removing the T30 bolt holding it on.



    Step 9: Remove the connections between the manifold and the cylinder head. There are five T30 bolts on the top and two on the bottom. The top five are easy to get to. The bottom two aren’t so much. The two on the bottom are in the center positions. The rear one will require that you either have a really long T30 or more likely you’ll have to hold a T30 bit onto the bolt and then feed an extension into the space and connect the extension with the bit in place. The access hole isn't big enough for the bit to fit through which is why you've got to do this. After you loosen the bolt you'll have to do the reverse to get it out. Just make sure you don’t drop the bit or you’ll fishing it out of there once the manifold is off.







    Now you need to remove two 10mm nuts on the bottom of the manifold fore and aft. You should be able to access them easily with a long extension. The problem is that as soon as you unscrew them they will both immediately fall off and go into the engine compartment. I used some small bits of clay inside the socket to prevent this from happening.



    Step 10: There is a strut connected to the throttle body that holds the manifold in place and you will need to remove it. First pull the large wiring bundle off of the strut to improve your access. There is a small press on metal bracket that holds the bundle to the strut. Then remove the upper connection using a 13mm socket on a swivel. Remove the lower bolt connecting it to the engine block using a M9 triple square bit on a swivel. Pull the thing out of there.
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    Step 11: Remove the oil filter.

    Step 12: De-mate fuel line connection by loosening 17 mm locknut connecting fuel line to high pressure fuel pump.




    Step 13: Pull the manifold off of the cylinder head and tilt it up. There will be one final connector below that you will have to remove. Some fuel may spill out of the fuel rail inlet when you do this. All four of my injectors came out with the manifold so mimimal fuel came out. The injectors are pressed into the fuel rail with an o-ring around them. They also have a small metal spacer/spring that spaces them away from the fuel rail. There is no need to remove them unless they come out on their own when pulling the manifold. If one of them comes out the fuel will then gush out of the fuel rail.

    You can temporarily reinstall the oil filter once the manifold is off to prevent crap from getting in there.





    Step 14: Pull out the tumble flaps and set them in a container with some BG ISC to sit. Check out your valves. They probably look pretty crappy. Three of your four valves should be closed and you can just pour some BG ISC into the cavity and let it sit. Hopefully you have accomplished anything requiring a lot of brain power in your life, because you will be smelling this nasty cleaner for the next couple of hours and a good chunk of brain cells will be gone when you’re done. If you are not in a well ventilated area you will probably die from asphyxiation within about 5 min. Put on your rubber gloves and get ready to start in on the cleaning. Other than the cleaner itself, there isn’t anything magic about performing the cleaning. Use a scraper, the wire brush, a sh*tload of paper towels and rags. Whatever you need. You’re going to be doing a series of scraping/brushing, then using paper towels to get the bulk of the cleaner out. Then put a towel over the intake and spray compressed air to get the gunk out that you can’t reach (i.e. most of it). Then you repeat this 3-5 times depending on how clean you want to get the valves and eventually the intake will be clean.

    For the tumble flaps, if you've had them sitting in the BG ISC all this time the carbon will basically melt off when you go to clean them. You just wipe them clean with paper towels.

    Below are some before and afters. My car had 39k miles on it when I did this.













    I didn’t want to try and clean the one open valve with it remaining open so I advanced the crankshaft to close it. This is easy if you started the repair with the car raised and in neutral. Once the 3 closed valves are clean, just pull the two front undertrays and you will have access to the front of the engine. Then put a 24 mm socket onto the crankshaft bolt (bolt in the center of #1 in figure below) and turn it until the valve on the last cylinder closes. Then clean that one. You could try to clean it with the valve open but it is so simple to close it that it isn't worth the risk of getting all that crap into your cylinder.



    Assembly is the reverse of removal. Don’t forget to use something (clay, tape, gum) to lock those 10mm nuts onto the socket when reinstalling them. Actually other than the one wire harness below the manifold, these two nuts should be the very first two things you reinstall when you put the manifold on. That way if you drop them you won't be set back at all. Also, don’t forget to put the tumble flaps back in before you start reassembly. I don't need to tell you how bad it would suck to "finish" the repair and then realize you never put these in. Maybe tape a note to your 15" extension to remind yourself to install them. That way you can't miss it when you begin reinstallation. I nearly forgot to do it and I think it is pretty common since you've been staring at the manifold without them installed for hours so it looks normal to have them missing.

    When I finished and started the car up it threw a code for low fuel pressure regulator. Probably since some gas had drained out of the fuel rail. I cleared it. If you don’t have a vagcom you will now have a CEL on. Now may be the time to break down and buy one if you don't already have one because the cost of this cleaning is only ~$30 for two cans of BG ISC assuming you already have all the other tools.

    When you're done your car will have significantly better throttle response as well as smoother throttle response. Not sure how much power it may add but it didn't feel like much if any to me. The main benefit will be that your car will be forever indebted to you for taking such good care of it and it will promise to last forever and never break down. It will also wash itself every Saturday morning for the next year and fuel economy will increase by at least 1000%. At least that is what I am hoping.
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    B8 A4 2.0 TFSI DIY: Carbon Intake Valve Cleaning

    Awesome write up. What's the mileage on your engine and when should we do this cleaning? And would it be best to do it before installing a catch can?
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    Thanks for this. Will come in handy.
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    Dan, you're a friggin rock star!!! This is probably one of the most helpful DIYs for our platform, period!

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    Excellent write up. I'm not yet close to needing this but will definitely save it for future reference. Have you considered passing along your pic's to AOA as an FYI? I wonder if they would say "it's normal".
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    Oh they'll probly blame it on:
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    awesome DIY, i wanna try and do this soon! i definetily wont be doing this by myself though, lets get a group together
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    Dan....you noted the car has 39k miles on it. What was your typical oil consumption? Have you taken a stab at how many qts of oil this buildup might represent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfo View Post
    Have you considered passing along your pic's to AOA as an FYI? I wonder if they would say "it's normal".
    They clearly know about this problem. I'm sure they could care less since very few cars have it bad enough to actually cause a mechanical problem in the warranty period when they would actually have to do something about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by jfo View Post
    What was your typical oil consumption? Have you taken a stab at how many qts of oil this buildup might represent?
    The car uses virtually no oil between oil changes. So I'd assume what you see is probably typical for a B8 with similar mileage. Some will of course be slightly better and some slightly worse. People bitch about this problem a lot but really this took 5 hours and the car has 39,000 miles. It takes me just as long to rake my yard and I have to do that EVERY year. Of course if you're paying to have it done then you probably have something to bitch about. But then again maybe not because this is easy and anyone is capable of doing it if they have some minimal mechanical ability so there is a choice. No doubt though, if you had a V8 it would actually suck. Not sure I could have done this for 10 hours.

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    thank you. did you replace the gasket? i am sure you know this but for anybody who may not after this cleaning is completed, do an oil change.

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    Great write up, I am sure this is going to be highly valuable to myself as well as many others. Thanks man
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    Such a great write up. Thanks for sharing! especially concerning the time and effort put into this. Still can't believe the build up at only 39k.
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    Thanks for taking the time to document this, very helpful. I'm confused though... why do you need vag-com to disengage the parking brake? Why not just not set it to start with? Does yours engage automatically even if you don't want it to? Sometimes I don't set mine if I'm parked someplace level (like in my garage), and I've never noticed it setting itself. But for that matter, if you're in neutral, what difference does it make if the parking brake is set? Clearly there's something I'm overlooking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iconoclast View Post
    did you replace the gasket? i am sure you know this but for anybody who may not after this cleaning is completed, do an oil change.
    Which gasket? The one between the manifold and the cylinder head? It was actually in perfect shape so I didn't replace it. Also, not sure why you'd do an oil change. Nothing you touch is connected to the oiling system. At least not unless you left the oil filter off while cleaning all that crap out of there for hours. But that's easy to cover by just temporarily reinstalling the oil filter. No oil change performed by me.

    Quote Originally Posted by dscline View Post
    I'm confused though... why do you need vag-com to disengage the parking brake? Why not just not set it to start with? Does yours engage automatically even if you don't want it to? Sometimes I don't set mine if I'm parked someplace level (like in my garage), and I've never noticed it setting itself.
    My car will not let me turn it off without automatically setting the parking brake. I believe this is normal operation. You can do a one time overide of it with the vagcom or you can permanantly disable it. Did you buy your car used? Perhaps the previous owner did a permanant disable? This "feature" has been a constant PITA for anyone trying to replace their rear brake pads.

    Quote Originally Posted by dscline View Post
    But for that matter, if you're in neutral, what difference does it make if the parking brake is set? Clearly there's something I'm overlooking.
    Now that I'm thinking about it you're probably right. I didn't really think about it much beforehand but had convinced myself that I had to have the parking brake off. I could have probably gotten away without dicking with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_Q View Post
    My car will not let me turn it off without automatically setting the parking brake. I believe this is normal operation. You can do a one time overide of it with the vagcom or you can permanantly disable it. Did you buy your car used? Perhaps the previous owner did a permanant disable? This "feature" has been a constant PITA for anyone trying to replace their rear brake pads.
    Wow, I had no idea. Yes, my car is used, though it was a lease and no other popular vag-com mods were done, but who knows? Regardless of the reason, I'm glad mine doesn't do that, that would bug me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_Q View Post
    My car will not let me turn it off without automatically setting the parking brake. I believe this is normal operation. You can do a one time overide of it with the vagcom or you can permanantly disable it. Did you buy your car used? Perhaps the previous owner did a permanant disable? This "feature" has been a constant PITA for anyone trying to replace their rear brake pads.
    I don't think my car insists on turning the EBrake on before shutting it off, but mine is a 6MT. I'm the original owner. If I recall correctly I forgot to turn on the brake once or twice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_Q View Post
    Now you need to remove two 10mm nuts on the bottom of the manifold fore and aft. You should be able to access them easily with a long extension. The problem is that as soon as you unscrew them they will both immediately fall off and go into the engine compartment. I used some small bits of clay inside the socket to prevent this from happening.
    Another method is to wrap some electrical tape inside the socket, sticky side towards the nut. A little more time consuming getting it fit properly but it works great.

    Also about the parking brake thing. I've noticed that I have left mine off on occasion as well. I have an 09 with a stick shift, no advanced key. I'm wondering if it's an automatic thing or something that has to do with the advanced key.

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    My '10 6MT doesn't automatically engage the parking brake when I turn it off, sounds like it's an MT vs. AT thing. I learned the "dumb" way once when in a rush I forgot to set it while parked on a tiny incline at the gym. Came out an hour later to find my car settled in the middle of the parking lane... oops. Fortunately, it was really early and just in a parking lot, so no harm done. I double check every time now.

    Excellent write-up, I'm almost afraid to see what my car looks like with nearly 60k on a odo. I'd have to get some tools to do this, but I'll definitely consider it. 800-900 bucks may be worth pushing the envelope of my mechanical experience. Thanks for blazing the path on this!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zero|fade View Post
    Also about the parking brake thing. I've noticed that I have left mine off on occasion as well. I have an 09 with a stick shift, no advanced key. I'm wondering if it's an automatic thing or something that has to do with the advanced key.
    It must be related to the advance key which I have. Mine is a manual as well.

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    This automatic parking break is interesting.... I have 2009 Prestige with advanced key and automatic transmission, but my electronic parking brake only comes on if I manually enable it. Sounds like a MT only with advanced key thing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdy101 View Post
    This automatic parking break is interesting.... I have 2009 Prestige with advanced key and automatic transmission, but my electronic parking brake only comes on if I manually enable it. Sounds like a MT only with advanced key thing...
    Seems pretty specific. Kind of strange Audi would do something like that. I'll bet it could be disabled or enabled through vagcom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdy101 View Post
    This automatic parking break is interesting.... I have 2009 Prestige with advanced key and automatic transmission, but my electronic parking brake only comes on if I manually enable it. Sounds like a MT only with advanced key thing...
    automatic/tiptronic/stronic/multitronic do have these feature however i believe there is a setting under the parking brake module in vcds. i dont recall off-hand.

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    Very impressive DIY Dan. Thanks for taking the time to document this procedure.

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    Do you guys know if maybe having the carbon buildup has to do with the type of gas being run? Maybe running 91 or 93 octane through out cars life would create less buildup of this does not matter?

    Thx.

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    It doesn't look like an easy DIY but a definite ++ having this up. Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by winreboot View Post
    Do you guys know if maybe having the carbon buildup has to do with the type of gas being run? Maybe running 91 or 93 octane through out cars life would create less buildup of this does not matter?

    Thx.
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    the type of gas is not the issue, this is a hardware engineering design flaw... there isnt any spray hitting the valves. everybody knows this already audi has abandoned fsi for all the new cars and are going with multiport injection which introduces a supplemental injector which washes over the valves and it will be starting with the new b9 a4 w/ 1.8t. toyota did this many years ago after their early di engines were developing carbon build-up unfortunately unlike audi they immediately jumped all over it and has a resolution where audi took a different approach and blamed american drivers and poor quality fuel/oil in the US.

    back to the original question, i only use shell93 and i use techron from time to time... i have not seen a substantial difference in build-up on previous cars that i had after cleaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_Q View Post
    Which gasket? The one between the manifold and the cylinder head? It was actually in perfect shape so I didn't replace it. Also, not sure why you'd do an oil change. Nothing you touch is connected to the oiling system. At least not unless you left the oil filter off while cleaning all that crap out of there for hours. But that's easy to cover by just temporarily reinstalling the oil filter. No oil change performed by me.



    My car will not let me turn it off without automatically setting the parking brake. I believe this is normal operation. You can do a one time overide of it with the vagcom or you can permanantly disable it. Did you buy your car used? Perhaps the previous owner did a permanant disable? This "feature" has been a constant PITA for anyone trying to replace their rear brake pads.



    Now that I'm thinking about it you're probably right. I didn't really think about it much beforehand but had convinced myself that I had to have the parking brake off. I could have probably gotten away without dicking with that.
    like others have said that must be specific to afvanced key. I'm in a MT and hardly ever use the brake, and can shut the car off before it has stopped moving, even.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iconoclast View Post
    back to the original question, i only use shell93 and i use techron from time to time... i have not seen a substantial difference in build-up on previous cars that i had after cleaning.
    I only use Shell too. At this point, I'm really starting to doubt keeping my Audi once warranty expires.
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    because of carbon build up? you'll find it on any other di engine from other brands unless you are getting a new toyota.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okan509 View Post
    like others have said that must be specific to afvanced key. I'm in a MT and hardly ever use the brake, and can shut the car off before it has stopped moving, even.
    Not to derail this excellent thread with the parking brake mystery, but no, I have advanced key and AT, and can also turn the engine off w/o setting the brake. At first I thought perhaps it was an AT vs. MT thing, perhaps "park" is considered a substitute for the parking brake, but no, I checked and I can also turn the engine off in neutral instead of park, w/o the brake. I think everyone has posted every combination of transmission and key type, there doesn't seem to be any obvious correlation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dscline View Post
    Not to derail this excellent thread with the parking brake mystery, but no, I have advanced key and AT, and can also turn the engine off w/o setting the brake. At first I thought perhaps it was an AT vs. MT thing, perhaps "park" is considered a substitute for the parking brake, but no, I checked and I can also turn the engine off in neutral instead of park, w/o the brake. I think everyone has posted every combination of transmission and key type, there doesn't seem to be any obvious correlation.
    I meant advanced key+MT=e brake required.. that's the only correlation that I see going on - but could be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okan509 View Post
    I meant advanced key+MT=e brake required.. that's the only correlation that I see going on - but could be wrong.
    I've got the advance key & MT so perhaps this is the only situation it applies to. My B8 is the only one I've ever driven so I thought it was normal. Either way, none of this is relevant to this repair as it turns out.

    The more I'm driving the car the better it is feeling. Throttle response is seriously improved and low end power seems improved as well. I'm pretty happy I did it.

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    i am pretty happy you do it as well. thank you for making this thread. it is appreciated.

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    I did the VCG and timing belt/thermostat on my B7 2.0T last week -- and I'm looking to do this next week. Question: How did you advance the engine to close the valves on the 4th cylinder? Is there room to get a ratchet/socket on the crank pulley bolt from the bottom or did you "bump" it with the starter? Just asking before I tear into it.

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    You just saved me $400-$500 of labor sir. Thank you! Will get the catch can now with the savings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kafer_Mike View Post
    I did the VCG and timing belt/thermostat on my B7 2.0T last week -- and I'm looking to do this next week. Question: How did you advance the engine to close the valves on the 4th cylinder? Is there room to get a ratchet/socket on the crank pulley bolt from the bottom or did you "bump" it with the starter? Just asking before I tear into it.
    I just did this about two hours ago. I was able to get a socket and 1/2" ratchet on the crank pulley bolt from above. If you do bump it with a starter for some reason, I'd add "remove fuel pump fuse" to the list of instructions. That and pull the connectors from the coil packs (I say this simply because I read it in the service manual. Not sure why they say to do it, but if it's in the book that's good enough reason for me.)

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