2012 AUDI 2.0TFSI vs 2012 VW 2.0 TSI

[AlexDD]

I have upgraded to 2012 A4 MT 2.0 TFSI last month from a 2012 VW GTI 2.0TSI. Before swapping the cars I thought they share the same engine, except that Audi has added the valve lifting for more torque.
Recently, I found out that none of the parts are interchangeable between these 2 engines (which I thought are same). I was kind of surprised to hear that... same manufacture, same horsepower, both use FSI system...
My question is, are they really that different, and if yes, how?

[UntouchableA4]

My understanding is that the Main Difference is the Transmission is where the added TQ comes into play because the gearing is different. As far as parts are concerned the motors are laid out differently because of the AWD vs. FWD.

Hope this helps some.

[sickspeed]

youre comparing two different cars though. aside from the addition of AWD and more weight, i believe the engines sit in the bay differently by 90 degrees. so theyre not really the same at all other than in displacement and a few other attributes. the gti is closer to the A3 than the A4.

[vtheman]

What parts are you talking about?

[AlexDD]

My understanding is that the Main Difference is the Transmission is where the added TQ comes into play because the gearing is different. As far as parts are concerned the motors are laid out differently because of the AWD vs. FWD.

Hope this helps some.

No, both have the same manual transmission...

youre comparing two different cars though. aside from the addition of AWD and more weight, i believe the engines sit in the bay differently by 90 degrees. so theyre not really the same at all other than in displacement and a few other attributes. the gti is closer to the A3 than the A4.

Yes, the GTI is closer to A3... what about the Jetta GLI and CC and Tiguan? they all have the same exact 2.0TSI engine. I am not trying to compare cars, I trying to understand if the engine itself is different, and if it is, how? some people think that TSI is not an FSI enigne, which is wrong... others think that A4 still has a timing belt, while the 2.0TSI (GTI, GLI, CC, A3) has the timing chain... so what is the difference?

What parts are you talking about?

a technician told me that NO parts are interchangeable... is it true?

[vtheman]

No, both have the same manual transmission...


Yes, the GTI is closer to A3... what about the Jetta GLI and CC and Tiguan? they all have the same exact 2.0TSI engine. I am not trying to compare cars, I trying to understand if the engine itself is different, and if it is, how? some people think that TSI is not an FSI enigne, which is wrong... others think that A4 still has a timing belt, while the 2.0TSI (GTI, GLI, CC, A3) has the timing chain... so what is the difference?



a technician told me that NO parts are interchangeable... is it true?

From what I understand is the valvelift is the only major difference. But you can use same oil filter for sure

[sickspeed]

just think about the model lines. the jetta, gti, golf, tiguan are all on the same platform whereas the the A4, CC, passat share the same platform. it depends on what youre trying to figure out. some parts are interchangeable, e.g., the oil filter, but for the most part the engines themselves are different other than sharing the same displacement and a mix of the letters t, f, s, and i. that is, the engine have different identification numbers. to answer your question though, its like i said above, the gti is more like an A3 (and therefore the engines within them) than to an A4. the enines sit in the car differently and therefore are designed differently and in the audi it is designed and tuned to mate up with the awd system among other things.

[AofC_RR]

Ok since apparently no one knows I'll help. The two engines share nothing but the 2.0T designation. The one in your A4 runs an IHI turbo vs the KO3 in the GTi. The block is different as are the rods, pistons, valve train, fuel pump, intake manifold. I could go on....The A4 runs the EA888 motor and the GTi does not. The GTi's motor is closer to the B7 A4's motor which is the EA113.
So in conclusion there is nothing from that engine that transfers over. A couple minutes of googling would have prevented this.

[AlexDD]

to answer your question though, its like i said above, the gti is more like an A3 (and therefore the engines within them) than to an A4. the enines sit in the car differently and therefore are designed differently and in the audi it is designed and tuned to mate up with the awd system among other things.

how this would answer my question? the question was what is the real difference between 2 engines, if there is any... I know GTI's and A3's very well, and my question is A4 vs GTI, because I'm new to A4's. and how would an engine become different if it is put longitudinal instead of transverse???

Ok since apparently no one knows I'll help. The two engines share nothing but the 2.0T designation. The one in your A4 runs an IHI turbo vs the KO3 in the GTi. The block is different as are the rods, pistons, valve train, fuel pump, intake manifold. I could go on....The A4 runs the EA888 motor and the GTi does not. The GTi's motor is closer to the B7 A4's motor which is the EA113.
So in conclusion there is nothing from that engine that transfers over. A couple minutes of googling would have prevented this.

OK, thank you! That is the answer which I was looking for. Googling confused me even more than I was before Googling... as you can see in the replies earlier on this thread, and other Googled thread on the forums, people have tons of opinions about the differences\no differences in the engines, but there is no exact post about how they would be different... Thanks a lot, your answer cleared some things up. Question: which engine is considered to be better/more reliable?

[sickspeed]

if you dont understand how the orientation of the engine changes things then you dont understand A3s, gtis, or A4s very well. what AofC said is basically what others were trying to avoid, i.e., literally starting to name all of the parts that are different. the engines arent the same and that was pointed out near the beginning of the thread. your question was whether they were different and the answer is yes. your next question was how so and in practical terms, they are oriented differently and because of this they are specifically different motors with different nomenclature as pointed out above. your question was poorly worded and vague, hence, the nature of the responses you received.

[AofC_RR]

how this would answer my question? the question was what is the real difference between 2 engines, if there is any... I know GTI's and A3's very well, and my question is A4 vs GTI, because I'm new to A4's. and how would an engine become different if it is put longitudinal instead of transverse???


OK, thank you! That is the answer which I was looking for. Googling confused me even more than I was before Googling... as you can see in the replies earlier on this thread, and other Googled thread on the forums, people have tons of opinions about the differences\no differences in the engines, but there is no exact post about how they would be different... Thanks a lot, your answer cleared some things up. Question: which engine is considered to be better/more reliable?

The B8's motor has much stronger internals, specifically the rods. Both motors have their flaws. Currently there's much more available for the the GTI's motor as there's been 7 years of development on it.

[gdawg'05a4]

Early GTI/A3s received the EA113 2.0T (engine code is BPY). Mid-way through 2008, engines were switched over to the EA888 2.0T without valvelift (engine code CCTA/CBFA). Easiest way to tell is with the placement of the dipstick.

The EA113 was at the front of the engine bay (along the intake mani):


The EA888 is off to the left side of the block:


Interesting info, the '12 Golf R still uses the EA113 2.0T with a K04 turbo.

Only Audi variants (A4, A5, Q5 and A6) have the longitudinal EA888 2.0T (engine code CAEB) with the Audi Valvelift System (AVS). The '11 TT received the AVS version of the traverse EA888 2.0T (211hp/258tq). The A3 is still on the non valvelift 2.0T EA888.

[AlexDD]

if you dont understand how the orientation of the engine changes things then you dont understand A3s, gtis, or A4s very well. what AofC said is basically what others were trying to avoid, i.e., literally starting to name all of the parts that are different. the engines arent the same and that was pointed out near the beginning of the thread. your question was whether they were different and the answer is yes. your next question was how so and in practical terms, they are oriented differently and because of this they are specifically different motors with different nomenclature as pointed out above. your question was poorly worded and vague, hence, the nature of the responses you received.

dude, it seems like you misunderstand questions in purpose... try to read the question again, and then read your dump answer. the orientation of engine changes things, but it does not change the engine itself. you can position same engine both ways upon specific needs.

he enines sit in the car differently and therefore are designed differently and in the audi it is designed and tuned to mate up with the awd system among other things.

the engine is designed differently because of the "sitting" in the car to mate up with AWD??? nice, so if it wasn't AWD then it would be exact same engine as in the GTI? oh, almost forgot... its redesigned because of the longitudinal positioning

[AlexDD]

Early GTI/A3s received the EA113 2.0T (engine code is BPY). Mid-way through 2008, engines were switched over to the EA888 2.0T without valvelift (engine code CCTA/CBFA). Easiest way to tell is with the placement of the dipstick.

The EA113 was at the front of the engine bay (along the intake mani):


The EA888 is off to the left side of the block:


Interesting info, the '12 Golf R still uses the EA113 2.0T with a K04 turbo.

Only Audi variants (A4, A5, Q5 and A6) have the longitudinal EA888 2.0T (engine code CAEB) with the Audi Valvelift System (AVS). The '11 TT received the AVS version of the traverse EA888 2.0T (211hp/258tq). The A3 is still on the non valvelift 2.0T EA888.

So if both are EA888, then the whole main difference between the GTI and A4 is the AVS?
Yes, I found it weird that the new Golf R is using an older version of engine...but they have improved it since the MK5 GTI (timing chain, fuel pump, etc)

[Thomas@TAI-VW]

The engines share the same block/crank/rods/etc.,the major difference is the valve lift head. The anciliary components are the same/water pump too,You can swap turbos since the manifolds are the same,IHI is just a different supplier,the turbos are not bigger than before. Both have the same timing chain mechanism/tensioners,etc.

[AlexDD]

The engines share the same block/crank/rods/etc.,the major difference is the valve lift head. The anciliary components are the same/water pump too,You can swap turbos since the manifolds are the same,IHI is just a different supplier,the turbos are not bigger than before. Both have the same timing chain mechanism/tensioners,etc.

Thanks!

[GTIRaider]

So if both are EA888, then the whole main difference between the GTI and A4 is the AVS?
Yes, I found it weird that the new Golf R is using an older version of engine...but they have improved it since the MK5 GTI (timing chain, fuel pump, etc)

Not really any improvements to the motor from the MKV, timing chain yes, fuel pump no. The fuel pump is still the same crap as it was before, the change to the fuel system would be larger injectors much like the S3 runs. Even going to the Stage 1+ you need an upgraded fuel pump just like what is needed in the Stage 2+ of the MKV GTI. All in all it's a crap motor that should not have been put in the R.

[Thomas@TAI-VW]

Isn't the Gof R motor a S3 motor? I have seen pictures of the engine in the Golf R brochure and it still has a timing belt and the crappy fuel pump with failing cam follower. The TFSI engines have had a few fuel pump issues but nothing like the FSI engines.

[sickspeed]

dont sass me, junior. again, you got your answer way up at the top and despite several people spelling it out for you, youre still questioning. also again, how the engine sits in the car most certainly changes things. but if you still dont understand why or how after all the useful information youve gotten here, youre really not worth any more time and, in fact, dont understand the motors as well as you claim. and youd do a lot better if you checked your tude at the door, sport.

[GTIRaider]

Isn't the Gof R motor a S3 motor? I have seen pictures of the engine in the Golf R brochure and it still has a timing belt and the crappy fuel pump with failing cam follower. The TFSI engines have had a few fuel pump issues but nothing like the FSI engines.

My bad your correct on this I just doubled checked, still the same as the FSI or S3 motor. IMO that car should have never made it to production as is.

[SashaC]

sorry, used a different pc for the post. disregard it

[AlexDD]

dont sass me, junior. again, you got your answer way up at the top and despite several people spelling it out for you, youre still questioning. also again, how the engine sits in the car most certainly changes things. but if you still dont understand why or how after all the useful information youve gotten here, youre really not worth any more time and, in fact, dont understand the motors as well as you claim. and youd do a lot better if you checked your tude at the door, sport.

GTFO! you have no clue wtf you are talking about... try to read the thread and you might be able to comprehend what is the question, and that engine orientation DOES change things, but does NOT change the engine. the answers and info from are

[Track5tar]

Ok since apparently no one knows I'll help. The two engines share nothing but the 2.0T designation. The one in your A4 runs an IHI turbo vs the KO3 in the GTi. The block is different as are the rods, pistons, valve train, fuel pump, intake manifold. I could go on....The A4 runs the EA888 motor and the GTi does not. The GTi's motor is closer to the B7 A4's motor which is the EA113.
So in conclusion there is nothing from that engine that transfers over. A couple minutes of googling would have prevented this.

a few more minutes of googling will show that you're talking about 2006-2008.5 gti/gli... 2008.5+ gti,gli,passat,CC,tiguan, new beetle... anything with 2.0t (except golf R) have the EA888. as many have said, Audi's have the valve lift that VW lacks

[sickspeed]

oh the irony...

google is your friend, sport.

[tenfour]

This thread blows.

Listen to Thomas@TAI-VW. He knows his shit.