EuroCode TRUfit Silicone Intercooler Hose Kit and Turbo inlet hose Review

[Jerritt]

So two weeks ago I purchased the Eurocode Turbo inlet hose and IC host kit. The product was delivered with a little delay as they were waiting on one of the parts. The quality and look of the product seems like it was worth the purchase. I installed it by myself using a screw driver, an allen key and one of those star key thingys.... Im tired and its late for me to think about proper names or looking it up. Very minimal difficulty doing everything. I left my bumper on and just removed the two black plastic underbody panels in order to reach the lower hoses. The throttle body hose was simple since it was right on top. It didnt fit exactly and was a tough pull/bend to close the slight gap on the top end of the hose. the bottom of the side of the hose that connects to the throttle body was lined up with about 1/4" of space on the top side. I had to tighten the clamp while pulling the hose on snugly... sorry no pics. I went at it alone and by the time I thought to take a pic of the gap it was already on and too much of an annoyance to do again. I then did the turbo inlet hose which ended up giving me the same sort of trouble. PS its basically the same width as the stock hose just where the stock hose has the accordion like bends, which actually makes it alot easier to install since the hose can be bent easier, the trufit is straight the whole way. Everyone mentions air turbulance from the accordion bends and thats how the trufit is better blah blah. I have yet to see anything other than butt dyno possibilites of gains (highly unlikely). It looks nice and thats about all. Now on to the other two hoses... the intercooler outlet hose was a bitch to get off bc of where audi positioned my clamp screw (you need to have an extra joint in between your wrist and your elbow). once off it was very easy getting two of the turbo outlet bolts off, the third I had to bend a piece of a bracket for some wires. Once that was done it was smooth sailing on that end. I placed the clamp screws in a more logical place for future removal. the IC outlet hose was the final piece and had some oil in it that I wasnt expecting but thanks to some cat like speed and reflexes it didnt land on my head haha. That hose was slightly longer than the stock for some reason and took an extra umph to get it on. Fully installed by myself took about an hour of work. I propped my car up on two car ramps that I bought from autozone for $45 to do this install. below are some pics of each part compared to the stock part... note the trufit hoses are pretty much the same size, smoothness and flexibile as stock... not sure what the hype was all about or why i spent $325 on everything for unnoticeable gains. Everyone claiming better performance and less sputter has nothing more than a butt dyno to use... I used my butt dyno all day today and didnt notice any difference in anything. Not worth the money to me. I wish the hoses were wider. The larger turbo outlet is only larger for about an inch of the hose then it goes right back down to normal stock size so the air will slightly expand in space then have to funnel back to where it was prior to that extra width... not sure how that helps anything as its basically the same thing we got rid of with the turbo inlet hose. Air goes into the hose, hose gets wider at accordion then back to normal width after "creating turbulance". if that statement is true then the same is true for the trufit turbo outlet hose.

Looks nice...




Im no mechanic but the stock hose that goes to the throttle body looks bigger






Same shit and the truefit one tapers off immediately and not a gradual funnel like the stock...




The IC outlet hose doesnt seem much different except that its longer than the stock one... that cant be a good thing. (see top end)




This is the only hose i saw a difference in size in and as you can see the left side is only wider for about an inch.




Butt DYNO says no gains... smh and unless someone can prove otherwise thats what im sticking with....

[DragonboyB8]

that's why you should spend the extra $1000US dollars for their IC.

[B8_Jim]

Jerritt,

Hmmmm. I'm disappointed that the turbo outlet adapter and these hoses didn't give you a better increase....

I didn't have much beyond a butt dyno for the FMIC kit (I did do some IAT logging, but no way for VCDS to log and show the difference in turbo spool...) but it did seem to help out a bit in spool and overall throttle response.

Wonder if this means that the stock FMIC or the piping size is the limiting factor? The full FMIC kit is 2.5" throughout vs. the 2.25" stock size this kit has to be to be compatible with the stock FMIC.

BTW - I pulled the EC FMIC kit off my and it's on the classifieds now if anyone is interested.

[dracolnyte]

that's why you should spend the extra $1000US dollars for their IC.

LOL dragonboy, i know who you are

[Highlander1010]

Not to mention the IC does not add HP or TQ, but only preserves it when the engine is running in high temp conditions.

[AofC_RR]

The hoses are better insulated and more rigid so they flex and contract less. What you're paying for is better flow under load. It's not going to put down more power on the dyno, maybe change where/how soon the power comes on.

[Highlander1010]

Definitely. These hoses are all about smoother airflow and a bit more of it to the engine/turbo. That helps a ton with getting revs lower. I don't expect a ton of HP/TQ to suddenly come out of nowhere.

[DragonboyB8]

LOL dragonboy, i know who you are

I am back on this forum. wahaha

[MiracleWhips]

Don't forget the inside of the EC pipes are red!

I would say these pipes and outlet adapter helped increase the overall performance by smoothing out the power delivery. Now this is all relative. If you install these and expect immediate and constantly noticeable results, you're probably going to be dissappointed. For $200 dollars, I think they were worth it. (again relative to what $200 will buy you in Audi dollars) Especially since they can be installed at no cost by most enthusiasts.

[Jerritt]

Jerritt,

Hmmmm. I'm disappointed that the turbo outlet adapter and these hoses didn't give you a better increase....

I didn't have much beyond a butt dyno for the FMIC kit (I did do some IAT logging, but no way for VCDS to log and show the difference in turbo spool...) but it did seem to help out a bit in spool and overall throttle response.

Wonder if this means that the stock FMIC or the piping size is the limiting factor? The full FMIC kit is 2.5" throughout vs. the 2.25" stock size this kit has to be to be compatible with the stock FMIC.

BTW - I pulled the EC FMIC kit off my and it's on the classifieds now if anyone is interested.

The adapter would give you better results had the width been maintained throughout the remaining hoses but it immediately tapers back to the width of the original adapter. I think the wider pipes throughout are what the real benefit is coming from and the larger IC with more space for air to travel through.

[Jerritt]

The new hoses dont increase airflow at all, theyre the same if not smaller in some cases than stock with the only wider part being for about an inch in length where the adapter is but like I said it immediately goes back to stock size. The inner material on the hose is the same as stock and unless they were metal there will be literally no better flowthrough in them. Event then its minor. these hoses arent stronger, theyre just as flexible as the stock ones. the hose kit was $250 plus $70 for the turbo inlet... I wasnt expecting major increases but I was hoping for some benefit other than cosmetics. I would take them back off and revert back to the stock ones and resell these if it wasnt an annoying install to do.

[STA4]

The purpose of these pipes was to reduce turbo lag and low RPM responsiveness/driveability. I installed these along with high flow intercooler pipe (soundbox delete) and noticed a very significant improvement on the low end. The engine used to shudder/bog when shifting at low RPM. I'm happy with my purchase.

[Okan509]

The purpose of these pipes was to reduce turbo lag and low RPM responsiveness/driveability. I installed these along with high flow intercooler pipe (soundbox delete) and noticed a very significant improvement on the low end. The engine used to shudder/bog when shifting at low RPM. I'm happy with my purchase.

I love my HFIC, made a huge difference in low end TQ. 2nd gear feels totally different, and I wouldn't want to go back to stock. The Intake hose didn't really do anything for me.

I was thinking about getting these pipes, but probably won't now.

[Okan509]

I am back on this forum. wahaha

hey man! glad to see you back. sorry about all that mess.

[Jerritt]

The purpose of these pipes was to reduce turbo lag and low RPM responsiveness/driveability. I installed these along with high flow intercooler pipe (soundbox delete) and noticed a very significant improvement on the low end. The engine used to shudder/bog when shifting at low RPM. I'm happy with my purchase.

I never had the shuttering or bogging at low RPM so Im not getting any gain from this kit whatsoever. I havent done the soundbox delete yet but have contemplated it. Im holding off for now since the hose kit was already a waste.

[sickspeed]

i think most people realize that the hose kit isnt going to do much if anything. the only reasoned you should expect some sort of improvement is where you make an actual improvement. for instance, only the turbo inlet hose expands or smooths the path and even this is really only noticeable if you make other improvements. for instance, i have the turbo inlet hose, intercooler pipe, and a high flow drop in filter. these mods combined should be noticeable but even then i dont expect to feel a kick in the butt. these are really to improve airflow, efficiency, and spool, which will then compliment greater mods such as a HFC, FMIC, exhaust, software etc. I wouldnt say you wasted your money. i think you just had your expectations set incorrectly.

[Jerritt]

i think most people realize that the hose kit isnt going to do much if anything. the only reasoned you should expect some sort of improvement is where you make an actual improvement. for instance, only the turbo inlet hose expands or smooths the path and even this is really only noticeable if you make other improvements. for instance, i have the turbo inlet hose, intercooler pipe, and a high flow drop in filter. these mods combined should be noticeable but even then i dont expect to feel a kick in the butt. these are really to improve airflow, efficiency, and spool, which will then compliment greater mods such as a HFC, FMIC, exhaust, software etc. I wouldnt say you wasted your money. i think you just had your expectations set incorrectly.

Yea I listened to too many people saying they noticed a difference in areas of their car that werent having problems in my car like the sputter etc. I have the Carbonio intake, ECode turbo inlet hose. APR Stage I and ecode IC hose kit. i noticed a difference with the carbonio alone. then turned the flash on and of course thats noticeable. the hoses arent doing jack for me. As for the HFC I dont think I will do one as im not trying to increase my carbon footprint just for a few measley horsepower. the Full IC I was contemplating but held back for some stupid reason. May be a future mod once i get my grille, valence and things done.

[stan211]

I have tried the upgraded intercooler piping and have not been able to log or tell any difference from stock; however, the soundbox delete and a FMIC have been tremendous in smoothing out power delivery and providing more butt dyno power. Looking back, I might have skipped the piping kit but would definitely get the soundbox delete and a FMIC.

[Jerritt]

I have tried the upgraded intercooler piping and have not been able to log or tell any difference from stock; however, the soundbox delete and a FMIC have been tremendous in smoothing out power delivery and providing more butt dyno power. Looking back, I might have skipped the piping kit but would definitely get the soundbox delete and a FMIC.

Do you work for Ecode? are you trying to get me to spend more money?? hahahah kidding. Yea im looking into both of those right now. The soundbox delete since its a metal pipe sounds like a better idea. I wish I could justify the money for the FMIC. they just had the group buy/ memorial day discount that I missed and got the hose kit instead on... smh

[tenfour]

LOL dragonboy, i know who you are

I am back on this forum. wahaha

lol. you cant hide from us!

once i seen the avatar i knew

[gunsmoker]

.... the hoses arent doing jack for me...

+1 I just installed the turbo inlet hose after reading that the stock one could collapse under the vacuum and that the accordion would create turbulence/resistance, yada, yada, yada.
Comparing the two hoses, the stock one looks more rigid and I could think that the accordion could actually cause less of a resistance since it creates pockets of air surrounding the main flow.
Will run with the ecode hose for a few days, but my thought after the test drive was "Why am I such a fool to believe that BS?!"

[Jerritt]

[QUOTE=gunsmoker;7695314]+1 I just installed the turbo inlet hose after reading that the stock one could collapse under the vacuum QUOTE]

Couldnt agree more... Thats the most commonly misinformed comment Ive read about why people should get the Trufit. Whoever started that rumor needs to be shot. I thought the new hoses would be sturdier than the old ones based on that misinformation... man was I wrong, the new ones dont feel nearly as strong as I thought they would.

[David@EuroCode]

Just wanted to touch on a few points about the TRUFit hose kit.

There are several factors which contribute to the short comings of the factory charge system. We have effectively managed to eliminate them using our TRUFit intercooler hose kit and the HFIP (high flow intercooler pipe).

The first factor deals with factory turbo outlet which is encased in a cavity just outside of the turbine compressor housing that has two large openings machined into it. These openings create turbulence at the turbo and slow down air flow almost immediately contributing to turbo lag. The turbo outlet also goes from a 1.75” opening straight through the outlet and dumps into a 2.25” hose without any transitions, this again creates turbulence because the air flow exiting the turbo outlet sees an immediate change in volume. The EuroCode turbo outlet creates a smooth transition going from the compressor outlet to a 2.25” opening without any openings cut into the adaptor.


The next vital component would be the TRUFit silicone boost kit. The 2.25” ID (Inner Diameter) of our turbo outlet adaptor was specifically designed to complement the ID of the hose kit. The factory intercooler inlet and outlets are also 2.25” hence our hose kit maintaing the same 2.25”ID throughout with the exception of the merger at the factory TB (Throttle Body), which has a larger diameter. This consistency ensures that the airflow confronts the least amount of restriction, thus equating to a higher velocity of compressed air as it exits the turbo.

The factory hoses are made out of rubber which is shaped using heat. This creates stretch bends, and also inconsistencies in the shape of the hose, and why the factory hose never carries a smooth and consistent radius like the silicone hoses (which are made on mandrel tooling for perfect consistency). Moreover, our multi-ply silicone hose will not allow expansion to take place during higher heat scenarios in comparison to the factory rubber hoses. This expansion as the rubber hose starts to soften, will create a pressure drop in the charge system and equate to additional lag.


The sound box or as we call it “the trap”, is eliminated using our HFIP (High Flow Intercooler Pipe). This pipe deletes this weak link of the charge system using a mandrel bent pipe eliminating the pressure drop. The less volume that is required before the air reaches the manifold the less turbo lag you will experience. Also by removing the sharp edges of the nipple right at the lower bend (as part of the factory pipe leading to “the trap”), we create a smooth surface that further reduce turbulence and drag.

Home brewed modifications that delete “the trap” fail to remove the sharp edges which creates turbulence at the radius of the bend. This opening couldn’t have been placed in a worse location, if the nipple was in a straight section of the pipe the problem wouldn’t be as bad. While under wide open throttle even though the box has been deleted it will continue to slow down air flow. Yet another weak link which needed to be addressed hence why we made a replacement part from scratch and not just supply a plug.

Our parts were put through a Computational Flow Dynamic (CFD) simulation before they were ever considered to go into production, and if they did not produce any change they would not have been manufactured.

Our hoses look dimensionally different from the stock ones, and this was done to enable a smoother transition which increased velocity. However the points at which they connect still remain the same, otherwise they wouldn’t mount into place. If a hose appears not to reach correctly, it’s because it is rotated slightly in one direction or the other, there should be no need to pull on the hose to clamp it down, rather rotate it so it sits in its natural resting position. If there is a ¼” gap, there is a problem somewhere, something is not lined up correctly.

Our hose kit will not increase horsepower in your car, nor will it have the same effect as putting an APR tune on your car with a 40+ HP gain. We only advertise a 200 rpm quicker spool reaction which it delivers. We also don’t recommend using home brew modifications in conjunction with our products to evaluate the performance.











By the way I miss my B8 A4.

[Highlander1010]

I love a business that works with as much data, engineering and efficient analysis as EC does! Great job guys. That's why I keep buying more stuff from you.

[kwbdc]

I agree with Highlander, bonus with Made in USA.

[David@EuroCode]

I love a business that works with as much data, engineering and efficient analysis as EC does! Great job guys. That's why I keep buying more stuff from you.

Thank you for the kind words Sir!

[Highlander1010]

Now if only EC would make a Catch Can kit :)

[David@EuroCode]

Now if only EC would make a Catch Can kit :)

Its been designed and awaits production, but before that happens we need to see some cars with mileage on them. So far all of the 2.0 TSI/3.0TFSI's we have cracked open do not displaying the issues associated with the older FSI engines. The consumption is there, but not the build up.

[kwbdc]

Just waiting for the short shift kit to be ready to contribute more to the Eurocode fund.

[gnxuser]

I only have the trufit hoses and the High Flow Intercooler Pipe, otherwise the car is completely stock. The kit did not make my car any faster, but lag is gone. I would say the product does exactly what was advertised.

[Okan509]

Just wanted to touch on a few points about the TRUFit hose kit.

can you send me some stickers

[Jerritt]

[QUOTE=David@EuroCode;7695445]Just wanted to touch on a few points about the TRUFit hose kit.

There are several factors which contribute to the short comings of the factory charge system. We have effectively managed to eliminate them using our TRUFit intercooler hose kit and the HFIP (high flow intercooler pipe).

The first factor deals with factory turbo outlet which is encased in a cavity just outside of the turbine compressor housing that has two large openings machined into it. These openings create turbulence at the turbo and slow down air flow almost immediately contributing to turbo lag. The turbo outlet also goes from a 1.75” opening straight through the outlet and dumps into a 2.25” hose without any transitions, this again creates turbulence because the air flow exiting the turbo outlet sees an immediate change in volume. The EuroCode turbo outlet creates a smooth transition going from the compressor outlet to a 2.25” opening without any openings cut into the adaptor.


The next vital component would be the TRUFit silicone boost kit. The 2.25” ID (Inner Diameter) of our turbo outlet adaptor was specifically designed to complement the ID of the hose kit. The factory intercooler inlet and outlets are also 2.25” hence our hose kit maintaing the same 2.25”ID throughout with the exception of the merger at the factory TB (Throttle Body), which has a larger diameter. This consistency ensures that the airflow confronts the least amount of restriction, thus equating to a higher velocity of compressed air as it exits the turbo.

The factory hoses are made out of rubber which is shaped using heat. This creates stretch bends, and also inconsistencies in the shape of the hose, and why the factory hose never carries a smooth and consistent radius like the silicone hoses (which are made on mandrel tooling for perfect consistency). Moreover, our multi-ply silicone hose will not allow expansion to take place during higher heat scenarios in comparison to the factory rubber hoses. This expansion as the rubber hose starts to soften, will create a pressure drop in the charge system and equate to additional lag.


The sound box or as we call it “the trap”, is eliminated using our HFIP (High Flow Intercooler Pipe). This pipe deletes this weak link of the charge system using a mandrel bent pipe eliminating the pressure drop. The less volume that is required before the air reaches the manifold the less turbo lag you will experience. Also by removing the sharp edges of the nipple right at the lower bend (as part of the factory pipe leading to “the trap”), we create a smooth surface that further reduce turbulence and drag.

Home brewed modifications that delete “the trap” fail to remove the sharp edges which creates turbulence at the radius of the bend. This opening couldn’t have been placed in a worse location, if the nipple was in a straight section of the pipe the problem wouldn’t be as bad. While under wide open throttle even though the box has been deleted it will continue to slow down air flow. Yet another weak link which needed to be addressed hence why we made a replacement part from scratch and not just supply a plug.

Our parts were put through a Computational Flow Dynamic (CFD) simulation before they were ever considered to go into production, and if they did not produce any change they would not have been manufactured.

Our hoses look dimensionally different from the stock ones, and this was done to enable a smoother transition which increased velocity. However the points at which they connect still remain the same, otherwise they wouldn’t mount into place. If a hose appears not to reach correctly, it’s because it is rotated slightly in one direction or the other, there should be no need to pull on the hose to clamp it down, rather rotate it so it sits in its natural resting position. If there is a ¼” gap, there is a problem somewhere, something is not lined up correctly.

Our hose kit will not increase horsepower in your car, nor will it have the same effect as putting an APR tune on your car with a 40+ HP gain. We only advertise a 200 rpm quicker spool reaction which it delivers. We also don’t recommend using home brew modifications in conjunction with our products to evaluate the performance. QUOTE]

That all sounds nice but can any of it actually be proven? My stock system after 30k miles showed no imperfections and seemed to look like it was in great condition. The smaller opening at the stock turbo outlet creates what I like to call a garden hose effect or a lot of air squeezing through a small space, the same amount of air will come out of the back side of the turbo regardless of what outlet size you have. When you have a momentarily smaller outlet size the air will move a lot faster and stay at a higher rate of speed for longer, just like when you put your finger at the end of a garden hose. The stock system then widens right after that to allow a release of back pressure on the turbo. The only time Ive ever had turbo sputter is prior to the APR flash that I had done and thats not due to turbo issues thats the difference between the air spinning the turbo at 2500rpm and the turbo spinning the air at 3500rpm or so when it kicks in. Im not saying I dont like the hoses. They look cleaner than stock but theyre not doing anything different.

[sickspeed]

nice response. what are the metal parts shown in your post? they dont appear to be hoses or the IC pipe.

also, i actually do CFD modeling as part of my job and it stands for computational fluid dynamics, not flow. although fluids do flow. i think its just important for people to understand that things like hoses are more of a complimentary mod than a performance mod. that is, they compliment your performance mods in a way that ensures the performance mods reach their full potential. ultimately, all these pressure drops and flow constrictions youre referencing are extremely minor at best but when combined with a bunch of small tweaks and mods here and there, you have a better rounded performance curve to work with. anyone expecting to swap out a hose in a modern sport sedan (Audi no less) and see a noticeable gain without any sophisticated equipment to check it, is simply naive.

Just wanted to touch on a few points about the TRUFit hose kit.

There are several factors which contribute to the short comings of the factory charge system. We have effectively managed to eliminate them using our TRUFit intercooler hose kit and the HFIP (high flow intercooler pipe).

The first factor deals with factory turbo outlet which is encased in a cavity just outside of the turbine compressor housing that has two large openings machined into it. These openings create turbulence at the turbo and slow down air flow almost immediately contributing to turbo lag. The turbo outlet also goes from a 1.75” opening straight through the outlet and dumps into a 2.25” hose without any transitions, this again creates turbulence because the air flow exiting the turbo outlet sees an immediate change in volume. The EuroCode turbo outlet creates a smooth transition going from the compressor outlet to a 2.25” opening without any openings cut into the adaptor.


The next vital component would be the TRUFit silicone boost kit. The 2.25” ID (Inner Diameter) of our turbo outlet adaptor was specifically designed to complement the ID of the hose kit. The factory intercooler inlet and outlets are also 2.25” hence our hose kit maintaing the same 2.25”ID throughout with the exception of the merger at the factory TB (Throttle Body), which has a larger diameter. This consistency ensures that the airflow confronts the least amount of restriction, thus equating to a higher velocity of compressed air as it exits the turbo.

The factory hoses are made out of rubber which is shaped using heat. This creates stretch bends, and also inconsistencies in the shape of the hose, and why the factory hose never carries a smooth and consistent radius like the silicone hoses (which are made on mandrel tooling for perfect consistency). Moreover, our multi-ply silicone hose will not allow expansion to take place during higher heat scenarios in comparison to the factory rubber hoses. This expansion as the rubber hose starts to soften, will create a pressure drop in the charge system and equate to additional lag.


The sound box or as we call it “the trap”, is eliminated using our HFIP (High Flow Intercooler Pipe). This pipe deletes this weak link of the charge system using a mandrel bent pipe eliminating the pressure drop. The less volume that is required before the air reaches the manifold the less turbo lag you will experience. Also by removing the sharp edges of the nipple right at the lower bend (as part of the factory pipe leading to “the trap”), we create a smooth surface that further reduce turbulence and drag.

Home brewed modifications that delete “the trap” fail to remove the sharp edges which creates turbulence at the radius of the bend. This opening couldn’t have been placed in a worse location, if the nipple was in a straight section of the pipe the problem wouldn’t be as bad. While under wide open throttle even though the box has been deleted it will continue to slow down air flow. Yet another weak link which needed to be addressed hence why we made a replacement part from scratch and not just supply a plug.

Our parts were put through a Computational Flow Dynamic (CFD) simulation before they were ever considered to go into production, and if they did not produce any change they would not have been manufactured.

Our hoses look dimensionally different from the stock ones, and this was done to enable a smoother transition which increased velocity. However the points at which they connect still remain the same, otherwise they wouldn’t mount into place. If a hose appears not to reach correctly, it’s because it is rotated slightly in one direction or the other, there should be no need to pull on the hose to clamp it down, rather rotate it so it sits in its natural resting position. If there is a ¼” gap, there is a problem somewhere, something is not lined up correctly.

Our hose kit will not increase horsepower in your car, nor will it have the same effect as putting an APR tune on your car with a 40+ HP gain. We only advertise a 200 rpm quicker spool reaction which it delivers. We also don’t recommend using home brew modifications in conjunction with our products to evaluate the performance.











By the way I miss my B8 A4.

[Okan509]

what a shitty addition to the forums

[Jerritt]

nice response. what are the metal parts shown in your post? they dont appear to be hoses or the IC pipe.

The metal pieces are the Turbo Outlets... They connect the turbo to the hose coming out of the back of the turbo.

[STA4]

That all sounds nice but can any of it actually be proven? My stock system after 30k miles showed no imperfections and seemed to look like it was in great condition. The smaller opening at the stock turbo outlet creates what I like to call a garden hose effect or a lot of air squeezing through a small space, the same amount of air will come out of the back side of the turbo regardless of what outlet size you have. When you have a momentarily smaller outlet size the air will move a lot faster and stay at a higher rate of speed for longer, just like when you put your finger at the end of a garden hose. The stock system then widens right after that to allow a release of back pressure on the turbo. The only time Ive ever had turbo sputter is prior to the APR flash that I had done and thats not due to turbo issues thats the difference between the air spinning the turbo at 2500rpm and the turbo spinning the air at 3500rpm or so when it kicks in. Im not saying I dont like the hoses. They look cleaner than stock but theyre not doing anything different.

I believe that there are dyno charts that show the earlier spool (increased area under the curve).

Curious, is your car standard or automatic? I used to get bogging after hard 1st to 2nd shifts and that has improved. Also, slow rolling starts in 2nd gear would make the car sputter...not anymore. I also have a K&N drop-in, HFIP and HFC though.

[Okan509]

I believe that there are dyno charts that show the earlier spool (increased area under the curve).

Curious, is your car standard or automatic? I used to get bogging after hard 1st to 2nd shifts and that has improved. Also, slow rolling starts in 2nd gear would make the car sputter...not anymore. I also have a K&N drop-in, HFIP and HFC though.

agreed. The HFIP probably does more than anything for lower rmps.. Because that all I have in common with you and it has changed shifting entirely. Also in a 6MT

[maga4]

Not to knock anyone's opinions, but I doubt EC would intentionally and publicly try to screw people out of a couple hundred dollars. I like my kit and hficp plus it bought me an hour or two of fun time installing. As sickspeed said, these are designed to compliment other mods so we get the most out of them.

No one ever claimed power increases, just a somewhat small spool time drop.

If you don't believe it, don't buy it. I'm just glad EC continues to innovate for us b8 people!

[B8_Jim]

agreed. The HFIP probably does more than anything for lower rmps.. Because that all I have in common with you and it has changed shifting entirely. Also in a 6MT

Interesting - I felt almost no change with just the HFIP install - there was a little bit of additional sound, and maybe ... just maybe ... a bit quicker spool of the turbo, but I think I was wanting to feel a change after spending the money. Not knocking the EC product - the engineering is sound and it's a nice product - worth what I paid, but I just didn't see differences like some of you are suggesting.

[Okan509]

so weird. It was very different for me. And I'm nt just saying that cause I spent money on it, at least I don't think.. lol but second gear just wouldn't pull for a while, now much quicker.