sequential manual b5 rs4

[cosworthsti]

are there any sequential gearboxes for this car?

[itguy]

no

[mk1turbo79]

but there is a sequential shifter setup for the 01E

http://www.sqsracing.com/produkt/354...di-quattro-01e

[sherbet]

are there any sequential gearboxes for this car?

[MDJ]

Sick!

[cosworthsti]

I only ask since I'm starting the B5 project I want a good gearbox to efficiently handle the power and provide accurate shifts and a more reliable platform. I though maybe something like this existed for the B5 S4/RS4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipC8Ire-cNg

[Scotty@Advanced]

I only ask since I'm starting the B5 project I want a good gearbox to efficiently handle the power and provide accurate shifts and a more reliable platform. I though maybe something like this existed for the B5 S4/RS4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipC8Ire-cNg

Gearbox efficiency has nothing to do with a sequential shifter. Straight cut gears are required as they are more efficient than helical gears. As far as reliable, once built an 01E can be pretty solid, but plan on spending some serious money, which will still be cheaper compared to a $20k-$30K motorsports gearbox.

[cosworthsti]

Gearbox efficiency has nothing to do with a sequential shifter. Straight cut gears are required as they are more efficient than helical gears. As far as reliable, once built an 01E can be pretty solid, but plan on spending some serious money, which will still be cheaper compared to a $20k-$30K motorsports gearbox.

Yes I understand that bit what I ment by efficiency is the shift speed and accuracy. With a high power car a sequential can be very beneficial to performance. Just look at the way that Z06 up shifts and downshifts.

[Taloras]

Yes I understand that bit what I ment by efficiency is the shift speed and accuracy. With a high power car a sequential can be very beneficial to performance. Just look at the way that Z06 up shifts and downshifts.

It's efficiency on the order of a handful of milliseconds in either direction. With enough money, anything's possible, but on our cars, you'll get more speed over a given distance with a built 01E and more engine mods for more power than in dropping thousands and thousands of dollars on a gearbox that'll only save you like 100ms on a couple of gear changes over a quarter mile. MUCH better places you can spend money to shave time off than some flappy paddles.

[GURUMAN]

Ad an other 12 to 14 k to your 30k engine...

7k tranny
3.5k shifter box
1k Quaife

Is't a TT, but Par dogbox with SQS seqshift will give you this...

[Scotty@Advanced]

Yes I understand that bit what I ment by efficiency is the shift speed and accuracy. With a high power car a sequential can be very beneficial to performance. Just look at the way that Z06 up shifts and downshifts.

A sequential shifter is significantly slower in shift speed when skipping gears. IMHO the 3+ grand spent on one can be better applied elsewhere and get more gain.

[cosworthsti]

Ad an other 12 to 14 k to your 30k engine...

7k tranny
3.5k shifter box
1k Quaife

Is't a TT, but Par dogbox with SQS seqshift will give you this...

So this can be used on the B5? It looks amazing, very simple to use. I love a H pattern stick shift but there's a reason sequential are used in race cars and that's simplicity and speed which is what I want. The cost though OUCH. My SL55 cost me less than 9k to get into the low 11s (crappy launches, it has high 10s potential) and it's a heavy heavy car so this is definitely an expensive build.

[Audi_S4]

friend of mine has a sequential in his corrado VR6 turbo's, it's pretty sick shit :-)

[Taloras]

Even with a LOT of money (15k+ for a build), X dollars put in to power, handling, and weight reduction will yield a MUCH faster time around a track than X dollars put in to a fancy gearbox that only takes a few milliseconds off of shift times. Racers use sequential boxes in conjunction with all those other things to eke as much out of the car wherever possible.

[A62TURBO]

Fuck that, who want's to drive a built S4 without a clutch?

[Scotty@Advanced]

So this can be used on the B5? It looks amazing, very simple to use. I love a H pattern stick shift but there's a reason sequential are used in race cars and that's simplicity and speed which is what I want. The cost though OUCH. My SL55 cost me less than 9k to get into the low 11s (crappy launches, it has high 10s potential) and it's a heavy heavy car so this is definitely an expensive build.

Add on sequential shifters are neither simple nor fast.

[somebody5788]

Fuck that, who want's to drive a built S4 without a clutch?

It still has a clutch.

[A62TURBO]

It still has a clutch.

You know what I mean.

[somebody5788]

You know what I mean.

Sequential gearboxes are just a different form of switching gears. It's just like a motorcycle.

[04/01-s4]

are there any sequential gearboxes for this car?

Obviously they exist but the average b5 owner doesn't have the money or "willpower" to drop 15+k on a dogbox... Do we all secretly want one? probably

[GURUMAN]

My SL55 cost me less than 9k to get into the low 11s (crappy launches, it has high 10s potential) and it's a heavy heavy car so this is definitely an expensive build.

Ok but you've asked for a specific 800 whp, try this with a SL55 engine, I dont think you would achieve this without spending 40k

11 to high 10's coul be achieved with stock tranny and 600whp

You have to compare apples to apples


You should start a thread about clutches now, I think we are ready to answer !

[Scotty@Advanced]

Obviously they exist but the average b5 owner doesn't have the money or "willpower" to drop 15+k on a dogbox... Do we all secretly want one? probably

Dog boxes themselves run from $7-9K excluding the sequential shifter.

[A62TURBO]

Sequential gearboxes are just a different form of switching gears. It's just like a motorcycle.

I was under the impression that the SMG's don't use a manual clutch but rather an automatic one.

[Scotty@Advanced]

I was under the impression that the SMG's don't use a manual clutch but rather an automatic one.

It really depends on what kind of sequential box your talking about. Sequential in itself does not imply any particular type of clutch, however most motorsports style of sequential boxes are computer controlled and have an automatic clutch shifted via paddles on the steering wheel (a much more advanced SMG BMW used) . Drag race sequential transmissions are shifted with high pressure air solenoids and may or may not have a clutch. Dragsters don't even have a transmission they just have a series of clutch disks.

[nthusiastt]

http://www.xtrac.com/

[cosworthsti]

Ok but you've asked for a specific 800 whp, try this with a SL55 engine, I dont think you would achieve this without spending 40k

11 to high 10's coul be achieved with stock tranny and 600whp

You have to compare apples to apples

You should start a thread about clutches now, I think we are ready to answer !

haha no you misunderstood I didn't compare the SL to the B5 I was just saying in relation to modification prices that's all ;)

[cosworthsti]

Obviously they exist but the average b5 owner doesn't have the money or "willpower" to drop 15+k on a dogbox... Do we all secretly want one? probably

ok even though i tend to ignore any negative comments or irrelevant ones I'm curious to know how I offended you. I mean the way you talk for example "average S5 owner" or "no one is willing" I mean why don't you think it's possible someone actually wants to, god forbid, do something different. at the end of the day isn't it nice to see different builds and what not. it's not like this thread is insulting anybody or being useless and off topic. if it was me and i was offended by a thread id just not visit it and waste my time because the OP of the thread is obviously an idiot who is asking stupid questions about fictional gearboxes...

[cosworthsti]

http://www.xtrac.com/

thanks for the link

[04/01-s4]

ok even though i tend to ignore any negative comments or irrelevant ones I'm curious to know how I offended you. I mean the way you talk for example "average S5 owner" or "no one is willing" I mean why don't you think it's possible someone actually wants to, god forbid, do something different. at the end of the day isn't it nice to see different builds and what not. it's not like this thread is insulting anybody or being useless and off topic. if it was me and i was offended by a thread id just not visit it and waste my time because the OP of the thread is obviously an idiot who is asking stupid questions about fictional gearboxes...

First things first you didn't offend me at all I was just poking fun. Its not s5 its B5, its our cars chassis code. That's part of why you're getting mixed results on here about your question.

Of course at the end of the day its awesome to see new builds and ideas, I'm all about that, that's why I'm here. How long have you had your s4? I'm not knocking your ideas at all you just have to understand there's a reason THIS exists.

http://www.034motorsport.com/chassis...4-p-20003.html


Obviously that's a joke but have you even begun tinkering around with your s4? Is this something you plan to have a shop do from start to finish? I'm sure there's vendors on here that will gladly take your inquiries if your serious about it. I never said its not possible either I actually said the exact opposite of that. Good luck anyway.

[cosworthsti]

First things first you didn't offend me at all I was just poking fun. Its not s5 its B5, its our cars chassis code. That's part of why you're getting mixed results on here about your question.

Of course at the end of the day its awesome to see new builds and ideas, I'm all about that, that's why I'm here. How long have you had your s4? I'm not knocking your ideas at all you just have to understand there's a reason THIS exists.

http://www.034motorsport.com/chassis...4-p-20003.html


Obviously that's a joke but have you even begun tinkering around with your s4? Is this something you plan to have a shop do from start to finish? I'm sure there's vendors on here that will gladly take your inquiries if your serious about it. I never said its not possible either I actually said the exact opposite of that. Good luck anyway.

"S5" :D Typo. As for having the B5 S4 I haven't even bought one yet so I'm even more behind in the build than you think but that's just the way I like to approach things, gather the info and the cost estimates and what not before going into it, it's just smarter that way since this isn't going to be a DD. I don't want to build this car progressively but rather all at once because after all it's a project car and about enjoying in and having fun with it ;)

Now I'm yet to receive a PM from the owner of that "turn key" 700whp built motor but it looks to be a good option and cheaper too. What attracted me to the B5 was the fact that it was AWD, was a major sleeper and has alot of potential and isn't too expensive to build considering what you get after you're done, a car that can absolutely walk exotics and supercars. I actually saw this video and fell in love with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5xrZ_xqVxY

[cosworthsti]

First things first you didn't offend me at all I was just poking fun. Its not s5 its B5, its our cars chassis code. That's part of why you're getting mixed results on here about your question.

Of course at the end of the day its awesome to see new builds and ideas, I'm all about that, that's why I'm here. How long have you had your s4? I'm not knocking your ideas at all you just have to understand there's a reason THIS exists.

http://www.034motorsport.com/chassis...4-p-20003.html


Obviously that's a joke but have you even begun tinkering around with your s4? Is this something you plan to have a shop do from start to finish? I'm sure there's vendors on here that will gladly take your inquiries if your serious about it. I never said its not possible either I actually said the exact opposite of that. Good luck anyway.

By the way thanks for the link on the shift deleter. I can't believe I want to waste money on a sequential gearbox when I could get that for $1000...............and best of all my wife can change the diapers in the area the shift lever used to be. Now I can talk on cell phone, eat or even sleep without having to worry about stupid gear changes :D xD

Nice link by the way haha I know this is gonna sound bad but for a second, a very brief second :D, I took it seriously but after the first 2 sentences I was about to pass out from laughing ;)

[somebody5788]

I was under the impression that the SMG's don't use a manual clutch but rather an automatic one.

There are some that do but in a B5 I think that it would typically still have the clutch petal and just have the shifter change for quicker shifts. Potentially combined with a hand clutch (it's amazing the kind of shift times you can get on a bike with a hand clutch and sequential gearbox)

[bgzs4]

If you can afford to drop money on a sequential tranny you should probably invest in a better platform from the get go.

[cosworthsti]

If you can afford to drop money on a sequential tranny you should probably invest in a better platform from the get go.

...and why is this such a bad platform? In fact I think it's the only platform that's a complete sleeper with this potential. All other cars are either not sleeper and too expensive or too flash or not sleepers.

[Peter1.8t]

I like your attitude dude. Fuck all the guys saying you can't or shouldn't. Build the car the way you want it, besides its your money, you can do whatever you want with it.

[nthusiastt]

cosworth just ignore the mass of sheeple on this board. Do what you want/can. I think the questions your asking and the interest your seeking is awesome whether or not you can do it doesn't really matter. It's a fucking way cooler topic than the mass of "my car squeeks, my window doesn't roll down, my boost tapers off, I've got a clicking noise, my spider hose is annoying, my camber bolt is rusted, what do I do!?!?!?"

[Matador]

I wish you well in this endeavor, but please do some serious research into the end goal and purpose of this transmission and build. The money you're going to throw just into the transmission alone, combined with built engine and whatnot, you could have a fully built 996 which is even faster and lighter. Heck, throw in a few more bones (just money, right?) and you have yourself a Ariel Atom; a car that would destroy almost anything you could turn the S4 into. Is this just a plaything or serious track beast? Is there a specific racing class you're trying to achieve?

[itguy]

are there any sequential gearboxes for this car?

post up pics of your car!

[bgzs4]

...and why is this such a bad platform? In fact I think it's the only platform that's a complete sleeper with this potential. All other cars are either not sleeper and too expensive or too flash or not sleepers.

Lets see....

Heavy? Check
Poor weight distribution? Check
Limited powerband? Check

I love these cars but let's face it, not the greatest platform for all out speed. There is no such thing as a sleeper on the racetrack, just cars that are faster than expected. I can understand trying to be different or have a sleeper on the streets. But the racetrack isnt the place to show off originality. The point is to be as fast as you can. A c5 or 996 would make
Much more sense. You could have a very built c5 track car for the price of the $30k engine you are talking about. I guess if you have unlimited money do whatever, I'll believe it when I see it.

[Peter1.8t]

Mr. Negative has entered the building ^^^^

I'll just leave this here