difference between all road and avant?

[zrider91r]

I see all roads everywhere. what's different from an avant??
don't call me dumb :(

[Turbwhistle]

All roads have air ride, plastic fender flairs, and some other shit i don't know. Someone else will ad.

[awdjunkies]

Avant basically means "stationwagon", an allroad is an actual member of the AUDI family, consisting of a wider body/stance, air ride suspension and either a 2.7T biturbo engine or a 4.2L V8. At least here in the states for the C5 chassis. Now the new allroad which is coming back to the states will not have the biturbo engine or v8 but will have the 2.0L, and the air ride suspension synonymous with the "allroad" nameplate is also gone

[The_Auto_Tech]

The allroad's biggest party piece is the adjustable air suspension. Other than that it's basically a loaded A6 avant.

[G Men 08]

allroad=cat's meow.

Avant is nice, but allroad, I like better.

[Taloras]

The allroad's biggest party piece is the adjustable air suspension. Other than that it's basically a loaded A6 avant.

This. The Allroad is based on the A6 Avant. It's got that neat height-adjustable air suspension, but because of this, and because the A6 (C5) platform's greater size, it's CATASTROPHICALLY heavy. Our S4s are just under ~3600lbs (add a hundred for an S4 Avant), but an Allroad starts at over 4100lbs.

[G Men 08]

idk about that 4100 pounds for the allroad.. IK the c5 is only ~100 pounds heavier than the b5

[zrider91r]

hmm I always thought they were just a base style avant. now I'm not gonna home to see a owner so I can bug them lol thanks for clearing that up!

[awdjunkies]

Anytime..

[2.7taudi]

idk about that 4100 pounds for the allroad.. IK the c5 is only ~100 pounds heavier than the b5

The tip c5's curb weight is 3900 and manual is around 3700-3800 so 4100 seems reasonable.


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[jasonsowers]

The allroad is everything the s4 should have been.

[jasonsowers]

It's a lighter than a c5 rs6 iirc

[Rdp616]

The allroad is everything the s4 should have been.

....?

[foxtrot121]

....?

More fat and more unreliable?

[Turbwhistle]

The allroad is everything the s4 should have been.

The allroad is everything the c5 a6 avant should have been.

I am pretty sure the AR didn't come in 6 speed, the bags always leak, its heavier, larger. What would possibly make the AR a good replacement for the s4?

[G Men 08]

the allroad came with 3 packages. 2.7t biturbo auto, manual, and a 4.2 v8.

A lot of people complain about the bags leaking on the allroad.. For one its not like they need to be replaced every 50k miles. For two, people spend triple the amount on different kinds of coilovers for other platforms, than what it would cost to replace the bags. For three.. well there is no for three haha.

[julex]

Curb weight for 2001 2.7t AR is 4167 6speed
Curb weight for 2001 S4 Sedan is 3593
Curb weight for 2001 S4 Avant is 3704

Comparing station wagon versions we have 460lb weight difference. With sedan to Ar, that's over 560lb. That's a lot.

Audi cheated though and made the 6 speed tranny different than than equivalent A6/S4 (which are identical). they made the respective gearings shorter by 10-15%, depending on specific gear. The result is that with short gears the car generates similar g-forces as S4 would but you naturally end up slower in a respective gear.

I own Ar and I like. It is surprisingly heavy for its size, it weights as much as say BMW X5 but looks much smaller. This is due to design philosophy used to design the car. Everything underneath is rugged and heavy duty, where is matters. This also means that buying replacement lower control arms will cost you an arm and a leg. Literally, since they are Dealer/TRW only items.

well, at least engine is shared with S4/A6 which is awesome.

And it has immobilizer which S4 does not.

I skipped the whole air ride subject as you can get fairly affordable aftermarket replacements with life time warranty that they honor. Once done, you should not have to deal with it a lot. The only downer with stock air ride is that it is rather slow to change levels. Realistically you should expect one level up in about 30 seconds which is only about 1". So don't get your hopes up, you won't be able to pump up before that rough patch of pavement ahead of you unless you stop and have a cig.

[S4 00 2.7]

I didnt know the weight difference was that big. Avant>

[jasonsowers]

The allroad is everything the c5 a6 avant should have been.

I am pretty sure the AR didn't come in 6 speed, the bags always leak, its heavier, larger. What would possibly make the AR a good replacement for the s4?

Errrr. Wrong. It's available in 6 speed.

[awdjunkies]

Errrr. Wrong. It's available in 6 speed.

^This!!

[BenjaminR]

Errrr. Wrong. It's available in 6 speed.

Its comments like this that make this forum so moronic.

Teach, don't hate.

A simple. "Actually it was available in a 6 spd."

Spread Audi love. Don't make everyone think we have our heads up our rear.

On topic the AR is quite a sweet platform that has in my opinion the best of all Audi stuff & its super versatile. Try hauling 400lbs of water softener salt on coil overs. My air ride adjusts for the weight and I cant even tell its back there. That is pretty sweet.

[awdjunkies]

I don't think he was being moronic, as much as just "stating the facts." Now to also agree with your comment, the all road is the mother ship of all Audis because of its versatility. Definitely ahead of its time.

[Aggv]

black allroad + flat black RS6 front bumper + nice wheels with big tires + adjust air ride height = profit?

Would love to get a black 6speed

[G Men 08]

I didnt know the weight difference was that big. Avant>

me either. wow

[Seerlah]

I always wanted a 6-speed All Road. My mechanic has one in his shop with k04s being dropped in

[coolgraymemo]

All I want is one of those "Olympic" 6-speed Allroads.

[ReDLiTe]

Allroad is an awesome wagon.. avant is just a wagon.

[julex]

Its comments like this that make this forum so moronic.

Teach, don't hate.

A simple. "Actually it was available in a 6 spd."

Spread Audi love. Don't make everyone think we have our heads up our rear.

On topic the AR is quite a sweet platform that has in my opinion the best of all Audi stuff & its super versatile. Try hauling 400lbs of water softener salt on coil overs. My air ride adjusts for the weight and I cant even tell its back there. That is pretty sweet.

Forgot to mention that little detail. I once had 1600lb (yes, sixteen hundred pounds) of concrete in my hatch area and zero problems bringing it home thanks to air suspension. With coils it would not be possible.

[8520]

All I want is one of those "Olympic" 6-speed Allroads.

I'd rather have red.

Olympic ar's never came in manual ps.

[coolgraymemo]

I'd rather have red.

Olympic ar's never came in manual ps.

I had a feeling that would happen.

Well, I changed my mind to a white one (if they were available in manual).

[julex]

6speed change is always a possibility too.

[G Men 08]

Yeah, the Olympic is rare. Idk if they made a white one?

[happy2B5]

black allroad + flat black RS6 front bumper + nice wheels with big tires + adjust air ride height = profit?

Would love to get a black 6speed

test drove a pristine black 6mt w/58k miles before i picked up my stg 3 S4 sedan with 69k miles for less $$$. already had an avant so i figured i'd get the sedan and stg 3. still wonder if i made the correct choice!?!?! Instead I talked a buddy of mine into getting a V8 allroad. Living vicariously through him.

OP - already explained but, an allroad is an "avant" (station wagon or estate if you will) on a C5 chasis. for my liking, they are the shit and when done up tastefully, a one of a kind car! Like all audis and cars for that matter, they have their issues. The air-ride is very prone to failure and can get expensive to replace. there is a pretty reputable company, arnot i believe, that offers replacement bags for the system. a lot of owners have ditched the air-ride for coilovers though. i would try the arnot product before i went coils though.

i passed on the one i looked at primarily because i did not want the hassels of the 2.7t without the fun factor of stg 3. If and WHEN I get one it will actually be the V8 version. No 6MT, but also no timing belt service required due to rear chain driven. in general, the V8 version is less of a maintenance drain. I'll sacrifice the 6MT for that.

[happy2B5]

Yeah, the Olympic is rare. Idk if they made a white one?

pretty sure they did. rare as well.

[The_Auto_Tech]

test drove a pristine black 6mt w/58k miles before i picked up my stg 3 S4 sedan with 69k miles for less $$$. already had an avant so i figured i'd get the sedan and stg 3. still wonder if i made the correct choice!?!?! Instead I talked a buddy of mine into getting a V8 allroad. Living vicariously through him.

OP - already explained but, an allroad is an "avant" (station wagon or estate if you will) on a C5 chasis. for my liking, they are the shit and when done up tastefully, a one of a kind car! Like all audis and cars for that matter, they have their issues. The air-ride is very prone to failure and can get expensive to replace. there is a pretty reputable company, arnot i believe, that offers replacement bags for the system. a lot of owners have ditched the air-ride for coilovers though. i would try the arnot product before i went coils though.

i passed on the one i looked at primarily because i did not want the hassels of the 2.7t without the fun factor of stg 3. If and WHEN I get one it will actually be the V8 version. No 6MT, but also no timing belt service required due to rear chain driven. in general, the V8 version is less of a maintenance drain. I'll sacrifice the 6MT for that.

I wouldn't rule out the 4.2 V8 as being "good" because it doesn't use a timing belt. It's just a bitch when you lose a cam chain tensioner or guide on one of those as it means a motor pull. Read up a bit on the 4.2 V8 in the S4 and you'll see those similar issues.

[The_Auto_Tech]

Never heard of a white allroad but have seen the bright blue and red. Very very rare without a doubt. The allroad is probably the only car I'd get of my S4 for and it would have to be a 2.7T 6-speed. Automatics get boring quickly plus if I want to drive something that's not great on gas, hauls shit, and is automatic I'll just drive the Range Rover. My only real want for the allroad is the air suspension. I would also hate to give up my Imola Yellow unless I could get one of those rare colored allroads.

[LowA4]

With Arnott bags, its cheap to replace and have liftime warranies. I did Arnott fronts on mine right after i got it and have no other issues with the airbags. The lower control arms are different than a regular A6 and more expensive. I like the air since it adjusts itself for weight. It's also nice to have a wagon that is pretty damn quick and unsuspectful.

[happy2B5]

I wouldn't rule out the 4.2 V8 as being "good" because it doesn't use a timing belt. It's just a bitch when you lose a cam chain tensioner or guide on one of those as it means a motor pull. Read up a bit on the 4.2 V8 in the S4 and you'll see those similar issues.

fair enough...i'll still take the V8

[The_Auto_Tech]

fair enough...i'll still take the V8

I wouldn't put the 4.2 V8 down but when compared to modability, gas mileage, and power the 2.7T wins. 4.2 just sounds nice with an exhaust.

[happy2B5]

I wouldn't put the 4.2 V8 down but when compared to modability, gas mileage, and power the 2.7T wins. 4.2 just sounds nice with an exhaust.

which is why I have 2 2.7T's...I guess I am getting too old and want less hassel.