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    My opinion on some XS Power/SSAC parts.

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    Hi everyone,

    I've got some info for you all to mull around. Let me start out by telling you a bit about myself. I am a long time Audi/VW hobbyist/tuner/professional European car technician. I have built a bunch of cars using high quality parts and top dollar name brand pieces, this thread is not about that though. This thread will be about affordable parts, how they perform and the longevity of the parts.

    I am in no way affiliated with XS Power/SSAC or any related company, I'm just a guy who likes to try stuff out.

    First thing I got my hands on was the SSAutoChrome 1.8t B5 A4 quattro stainless exhaust. I excitedly received the exhaust from NC to MA in about 3 days, un-boxed it and was blown away with polished stainless goodness.

    For the price point, I wasn't expecting anything monumental so I took a magnet to it. it stuck to the flanges and the hangers and THAT WAS IT! the rest of the exhaust was actually good quality stainless, good tube thickness and good looking welds.

    I'm sure if you're reading this thread, you've already seen the indepth detailed installs of the exhaust so I'll just include a few pics.





    Next was the XS Power FMIC kit. I found it to be the same quality as any of the other brands of mid line FMIC kits out there. The pipes are welded, the core itself is well built using cast end tanks and a bar and plate core. Here are some pics of when I unboxed it.
    Pile o' parts

    Hanging the core.

    Had to make a block of plate for the map sensor port since I'm running an AEB.

    Routing the pipes


    All done.

    all in all, the FMIC is well planned, fits good and seems to have made a difference in intake temps after a few pulls with no pressure drop even with the OEM k03.

    Second on my agenda was the XS Power tubular manifold for the 1.8t with the XS Power K04-15.

    Un-boxing the manifold was great, its all shiny and looks like its going to make your car super fast...lol
    first thing I did was to check the flanges to see how flat the are....they were not even close. I had the flanges planed to flatten them out before installation.

    you'll see in the pics, this manifold has an additional bracket to aid in supporting the weight of the turbo from the studs in the head....NICE TOUCH!

    the install was typical, remove old, install new....now I run it everyday and play the waiting game to see what happens. I hope it lasts a good long time, I like it a lot. The exhaust has a nice lope to it at idle, I'm assuming due to the changed pulses by the tubes.

    Here's a few pics of the manifold.




    At the same time I installed the manifold, I installed the turbo.
    I didn't take any pics of it because it looks just like every other turbo on the market. Seriously, It looks good. From what I was told about it, the cartridge is manufactured in the same plant as the Borg Warner stuff, balanced on the same machines and installed into a generic housing. I can tell from looking at it that it was balanced well.... same way as all full priced OEM turbo's Ive seen. The housing itself is clean, same as the other non OEM manufactures out there, Turbocharger Pro's/RP Turbo etc etc...its not the 2 piece epoxied stuff that you hear horror stories about all over the internet. Again, its more of a waiting game to see how this stuff holds up.

    I have this stuff installed for about a week now, no problems. I will keep updating this thread with any problems/concerns/answers to questions and such over time. I will of course be updating if I have an component failures as well.

    And just for good measure, here's my ride in all her glory so far....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oceanside View Post
    What Tuning are you running

    X2?


    damn.. no pics of the turbo? how about installed?

    how's it drive?
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    I wish you good luck with that turbo. My K03 is currently running chinese internals. The turbine shaft and compressor wheel are from an ebay turbo. The rest is the factory turbo.

    What I found with the chinese CHRA was incorrect machining of the center housing. In a particular, at the part near the exhaust oil seal ("piston ring"), too much metal was left on the housing - way more than the factory piece. This allowed far too much heat to transfer to the shaft which cooked the journal bearing (center bushing). The turbo lasted all of 2,000 miles before it let go with huge clouds of smoke. I got a new piston ring and journal bearing and then I basically rebuilt the factory CHRA with the chinese wheels. The factory wheels were damaged which is why I got the chinese unit to begin with. It has been working "okay", with no oil usage or anything for about 50k miles. Boost comes on late and she screams bloody murder (dentist drill), but it does make 18psi or so on an APR 93 flash.

    I hope your experience is better than mine.
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    Pictures and opinions are fine, but still waiting for sound clip and dyno results

    http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...highlight=ssac

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    Quote Originally Posted by mysman View Post
    Pictures and opinions are fine, but still waiting for sound clip and dyno results

    http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...highlight=ssac
    Sound clip on page one of your link

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    Quote Originally Posted by mysman View Post
    Pictures and opinions are fine, but still waiting for sound clip and dyno results

    http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...highlight=ssac
    video featuring exhaust sound.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRh5C41czhs

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    So, I'm not running a tune yet. I will be running it stock tuned for a bit to see how the turbo works on a stock tune as a replacement for a blown k03. I will do a stage 1 tune for a little while after that and then upgrade to the pc-16 file eventually.

    the car drives great. it really feels like a k03 stage 1 car, so far so good!!

    I hope I dont run into anything like the story above, thanks for the info though!!

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    Don't do a stage 1 tune and then do the PC-16 file. Save up and do it the right way and save yourself some cash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howardfootball View Post
    Don't do a stage 1 tune and then do the PC-16 file. Save up and do it the right way and save yourself some cash.
    what would be the right way, in your opinion?

    I already have a stage 1 ecu, and a pc-16 ecu....

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    In your last post you said that you were going to get a Stage 1 tune and then upgrade to a PC-16 file. I am saying to skip the Stage 1 and go with the PC-16 right off the bat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howardfootball View Post
    In your last post you said that you were going to get a Stage 1 tune and then upgrade to a PC-16 file. I am saying to skip the Stage 1 and go with the PC-16 right off the bat.
    ahhh gotcha! one of the things I want to test is how the turbo/manifold/FMIC all perform on a stage 1 tune. its a pretty common upgrade for stepping stone tuning. Its no extra cost to me so I might as well test it so the info is out there!!

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    Well it makes sense to do what your doing if you have it as a testing option. Good luck!

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    Wish you had close up pics of the intercooler, showing how dense the fins are inside and outside. What are the dimensions?
    I hate it when my car acts like a little bitch, treating me like a bitch

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    what web site did you buy all this from ? ebay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GOODBYNAAIR View Post
    what web site did you buy all this from ? ebay?
    XSPower is the company all of it came from.

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    more pics as requested.




    underhood.


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    Can you retain the fog lights with the IC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolgraymemo View Post
    Can you retain the fog lights with the IC?
    I believe so. I dont have foglights but I do have a facelift bumper on the car, I'm going to attempt to get them in eventually....the mounts arent in the way too bad, just a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seerlah View Post
    Wish you had close up pics of the intercooler, showing how dense the fins are inside and outside. What are the dimensions?
    Sorry, missed your post....here is the link, with dimensions for the kit.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/AUDI-2002-20...502af7&vxp=mtr

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    Gotta clean that bay up there man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howardfootball View Post
    Gotta clean that bay up there man.
    yep I sure do.....I've had the car for 2.5 months, give me a little time....lol.

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    Interesting! Going to follow this as i am in the market for a A4 and only have a small budget to work with once i get it. Its going to be a Daily. My R32 is my real toy.

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    any pics of the turbo installed on the mani?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seerlah View Post
    Wish you had close up pics of the intercooler, showing how dense the fins are inside and outside. What are the dimensions?
    Just go to the B6 forum, people have been running that same FMIC for years sold under the Boost Brothers name since they are the importer. Same FMIC Brent was selling for a while. I remember trying to get him to make a B5 kit for a few people and they just ended up sending them a B6 kit which didn't fit because the pipes were wrong.

    The core is not that great. Here are pics from a B6 thread. http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...=1#post6787627


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    Quote Originally Posted by CBlockb5a4 View Post
    Is that pipe going straight into the TB or does it have a bit of angle? Because it almost looks like a pipe for a B6 not the B5.

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    Mike I sent a message to Treadstone yesterday (they should see it today) to see how many people would be necessary for a production run of a 2.5" thick intercooler capable of 500chp. Waiting on them to reply and it would be really cool if they were to do it. If they say they will do it if xx amount of people sign up, going to ask Dan from the B6 section if he could host it through the RAI banner. I want to keep my bumper .
    I hate it when my car acts like a little bitch, treating me like a bitch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seerlah View Post
    Mike I sent a message to Treadstone yesterday (they should see it today) to see how many people would be necessary for a production run of a 2.5" thick intercooler capable of 500chp. Waiting on them to reply and it would be really cool if they were to do it. If they say they will do it if xx amount of people sign up, going to ask Dan from the B6 section if he could host it through the RAI banner. I want to keep my bumper .
    That would be cool but not sure if they will seeing that they just started offering a 3" core while all their other cores are 3.5". Might be a little hard to make a 500hp core that is 2.5" and still fit behind the stock bumper, might end up being rated a bit below 500hp.

    The Garrett 530hp core that is 2.3" thick is 24" long and 10.5" tall, I don't think that core would even fit if Garrett still made it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Hood View Post
    That would be cool but not sure if they will seeing that they just started offering a 3" core while all their other cores are 3.5". Might be a little hard to make a 500hp core that is 2.5" and still fit behind the stock bumper, might end up being rated a bit below 500hp.

    The Garrett 530hp core that is 2.3" thick is 24" long and 10.5" tall, I don't think that core would even fit if Garrett still made it.
    Please start your own thread to talk about your group buy.

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    The kit is a B6 kit. So you are correct in thinking it looks like a B6 pipe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBlockb5a4 View Post
    Please start your own thread to talk about your group buy.
    Where did I ever say anything about a GB? If your talking to someone else then you might want to quote them not me.

    Quote Originally Posted by CBlockb5a4 View Post
    The kit is a B6 kit. So you are correct in thinking it looks like a B6 pipe.
    I figured it was seeing they have never actually offered a B5 kit and the 2 use completely different cold side IC pipes. You might want to make a new cold side pipe that fits correct on your B5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Hood View Post
    Where did I ever say anything about a GB? If your talking to someone else then you might want to quote them not me.



    I figured it was seeing they have never actually offered a B5 kit and the 2 use completely different cold side IC pipes. You might want to make a new cold side pipe that fits correct on your B5.
    The "please make your own thread" was directed at both of you.

    The cold side pipe fits fine. It may not be 100% perfect and in line but it connects the core to the throttle body. That works for me in this case. Im dealing with inexpesive parts and a $700 car that Im going to beat the crap out of and throw away when Im done. If someone decides that that isnt good enough, they should probably spend a little more on pars that fit 100% anyway. You cant buy a yugo and expect it to perform like a ferrari.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Audi View Post
    any pics of the turbo installed on the mani?
    No. Sorry i dont.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBlockb5a4 View Post



    I've been running this manifold for ~3 years. You can probably Google some threads using my user name about it.

    EDIT: O.P. Once tight, tack weld those 2 Allen bolts on the collector..they like to back out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBlockb5a4 View Post
    The "please make your own thread" was directed at both of you.

    The cold side pipe fits fine. It may not be 100% perfect and in line but it connects the core to the throttle body. That works for me in this case. Im dealing with inexpesive parts and a $700 car that Im going to beat the crap out of and throw away when Im done. If someone decides that that isnt good enough, they should probably spend a little more on pars that fit 100% anyway. You cant buy a yugo and expect it to perform like a ferrari.
    Why exactly would I need to start my own thread to comment on someones response? Sorry for posting in your sand box.

    BTW I had 2 B5 owners put this exact same B6 FMIC kit on their B5 a few years ago and it fit like complete crap. You are also not going to see all that great of results once you start running that PC16 tune. Cheap core is going to have cheap results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Hood View Post
    Why exactly would I need to start my own thread to comment on someones response? Sorry for posting in your sand box.

    BTW I had 2 B5 owners put this exact same B6 FMIC kit on their B5 a few years ago and it fit like complete crap. You are also not going to see all that great of results once you start running that PC16 tune. Cheap core is going to have cheap results.
    Ok thank you for your input.

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    Op, can you pm me a link to the ssac's exhaust?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbwhistle View Post
    Op, can you pm me a link to the ssac's exhaust?
    I got mine in eBay. I think they have a website but not sure if its on there.
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    I looked, couldn't find it. O well.
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