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    DIY - Downpipe Exhaust Wrap

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    Hey Guys.

    I hadn't found a DIY for wrapping your downpipes, so I figured I'd make one. If people want to use it, cool. And if not, it's not rocket science.

    So I started out with some 034 Motorsports 3" DP's, which are absolutely GORGEOUS, top notch build quality. I can't say enough about them, and it's really kind of a shame that they are going to be covered up.

    I ended up going with DEI Titanium 2" Exhaust Wrap, DEI Silicone coating, Rustoleum High Temp Paint and DEI Exhaust Wrap Ties





    I started off by blocking the ends of the DP's with newspaper, you could also use making or painter's tape to block off the o2 bungs and flanges.







    As always, do this in a WELL VENTILATED AREA. I ended up having 2 supervisors, you know, to make sure I was being safe.



    I used the Rustoleum first, and you'll use the same technique when you apply the silicone coating after putting the wrap on. Make sure to shake the can really well before your start applying it to the DP's. I would say that if you do this to used DP's you would want to de-grease / clean them before you performed this step.

    Make passes back and forth at a distance of about 8-10 inches away from the part which you're painting, and over lap them a bit, but keep an eye out so that you don't over saturate it, and make runs.



    You'll end up doing a few coats, I think I ended up doing 3 or 4 coats total. Give 15 minutes or so between coats, depending upon whatever the ambient temp is in your environment, will depict how long it takes for the paint to dry. I also decided to not go over the flex part section with the first paint.

    After you're doing doing this to all sides of the DP, let it sit for about 30 - 45 min, or until everything is dry.



    Once it's all dry, you can take the exhaust wrap and start that process. It really doesn't matter which end you begin wrapping at, I began at the lowest mounted point, so furthest away from the turbo flange. You'll want to wrap at least once completely around the DP. And as you go further up the DP, you would want to overlap as you go. I ended up overlapping half the width on each wrap. Keep as much pressure on the wrap as you can. You'll also want to wrap it at least once completely at the other end of the DP. Once you've wrapped it up completely, you can cut the exhaust wrap with a pair of scissors.

    Do this to each DP.



    Next thing you want to do, is get a bucket, pan, whatever, and put water in it. I used hot water, but I doubt it'd really make much of a difference with whatever temperature you decided to use. You'll unwrap the DP, into the bucket. I used a couple of towels, and you will get wet doing the next step.

    After soaking the wrap for a few minutes, begin to re-wrap the DP. When you do the first wrap, make it as tight as you possibly can. You can do this on your own, but it might not hurt to have another set of hands.

    Wrap the DP all the way, keeping as much tension on the wrap as you go. When the wrap dries, it will shrink and get a bit tighter. Once you've finished the wrap, you can put the ties on, I did the bottom one ( where I began the wrap ) first. And I made little adjustments from there. Cinch the ties down as much as you can. Some people use generic hose clamps instead of the ties. To each their own.







    Repeat for the other DP.



    These will have to dry for ~24 hours.

    Now, on to the silicone coating for the exhaust wrap. ***This is COMPLETELY OPTIONAL*** The purpose of the silicone coating is to help prevent moisture from getting into the exhaust wrap, where it would end up in contact with the DP, creating rust. I figured since I just dropped 1k on this setup, I'd take the extra time and do what I could to protect my investment.

    Common sense would dictate that the exhaust wrap would be completely dry before the application of the silicone coating. The wrap was dry to the touch when I got home, but I decided to take it a little further and preheated my oven to 350 degrees. I put each DP in the oven for 25 minutes. Let them cool, and then got to coating them.



    Using the DEI Hi Temp Silicone Coating, and applying it in coats, just like the High Temp paint I put on the bare DP's.



    I used pretty much the entire can of silicone coating, probably 4 - 5 liberal coats. I used a bit more on the parts of the DP that would be directly "facing" the road surface. Just like before, give it some time to dry between coats, but the first couple of coats were soaked up by the exhaust wrap pretty quickly.



    And here is the finished product.



    If you noticed, I did run the exhaust wrap OVER the o2 bungs, on purpose. I'll use a razor knife to cut open just enough to get the spacers and o2 sensors in the bungs.
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    Stupid question I know but here it goes: whats the point? Im sure you did all this work for some very good reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffrey146 View Post
    Stupid question I know but here it goes: whats the point? Im sure you did all this work for some very good reason.
    Not stupid at all man. I don't have the heat shields that come with the stock exhaust. (Amongst the many missing things I've found since I purchased my B5) And since I plan to mod the car, these flow better and with increased boost, comes increased temperatures. The exhaust wrap will help reduce some of the temperatures under the hood.
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    Thanks for the explanation. Very good. (:

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    I thought the Titanium wrap was not supposed to be soaked first and that was only for the other style wraps. I thought it also advised against a 1" overlap and that the overlap was supposed to be about a 1/4" or less, and that silicone spray wasnt needed. I could be wrong but i thought thats what the instructions said when i used the DEI Titanium wrap a few months ago

    Either way, those downpipes look great

    **Edit** Here are the instructions from DEI: http://static.speedwaymotors.com/pdf/dei1.pdf

    Will wrapping my exhaust pipes make it rust?
    If the exhaust pipe is made of mild steel, it may rust over time with or without exhaust wrap. If you are going to wrap any kind of steel pipe we recommend using DEI HT Silicone Coating to spray the header or pipes prior to applying Titanium exhaust wrap. However, there is no need to apply DEI HT Silicone Coating to Titanium wrap.

    Why only a ¼" overlap, isn't more better?
    More is not always better when it comes to exhaust wrap. You can hold too much heat in the tubing and manifold to the point of changing the molecular structure of the metal. This can cause premature wear of the tubes or fractured welds. Overlapping ¼" is recommended as this allows just enough heat to emit.

    Can I wet the wrap for installation?
    There is no need to pre-wet Titanium exhaust wrap as it is already extremely pliable allowing for a tight wrap and easy installation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by getslideways View Post
    I thought the Titanium wrap was not supposed to be soaked first and that was only for the other style wraps. I thought it also advised against a 1" overlap and that the overlap was supposed to be about a 1/4" or less, and that silicone spray wasnt needed. I could be wrong but i thought thats what the instructions said when i used the DEI Titanium wrap a few months ago

    Either way, those downpipes look great

    **Edit** Here are the instructions from DEI: http://static.speedwaymotors.com/pdf/dei1.pdf

    Will wrapping my exhaust pipes make it rust?
    If the exhaust pipe is made of mild steel, it may rust over time with or without exhaust wrap. If you are going to wrap any kind of steel pipe we recommend using DEI HT Silicone Coating to spray the header or pipes prior to applying Titanium exhaust wrap. However, there is no need to apply DEI HT Silicone Coating to Titanium wrap.

    Why only a ¼" overlap, isn't more better?
    More is not always better when it comes to exhaust wrap. You can hold too much heat in the tubing and manifold to the point of changing the molecular structure of the metal. This can cause premature wear of the tubes or fractured welds. Overlapping ¼" is recommended as this allows just enough heat to emit.

    Can I wet the wrap for installation?
    There is no need to pre-wet Titanium exhaust wrap as it is already extremely pliable allowing for a tight wrap and easy installation.
    Interesting...maybe Max could chime in ?

    I used the rustoleum on the pipes, and the DEI HT Silicone will be used to protect the wrap from the elements here in new england.
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    time for some cooking :) It will smoke and smell for a while till the wrap settles takes some time. I just did not do it because of people saying it will suck in moisture and eventually rust the pipes. Well let us know. Neat work, I always liked wrapped pipes, gives that race car feel to it :) Oh, yea,.. soaking will stretch the wrap and when it dries it becomes super tight.

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    will ceramic coating be better than the burrito wrap method...??? i wonder...
    i have my asp dp's all wrapped like yours (w/o paint & silicone shit) and yet to install them but i'm re-thinking because of all the shitty rainy days i see here in the PNW area...
    anyone care to express their opinion...???
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    Quote Originally Posted by domantas View Post
    time for some cooking :) It will smoke and smell for a while till the wrap settles takes some time. I just did not do it because of people saying it will suck in moisture and eventually rust the pipes. Well let us know. Neat work, I always liked wrapped pipes, gives that race car feel to it :) Oh, yea,.. soaking will stretch the wrap and when it dries it becomes super tight.
    The hi temp silicone coating is to prevent the moisture from getting into the wrap and being kept next to the DP's.

    Quote Originally Posted by topquarkpc View Post
    will ceramic coating be better than the burrito wrap method...??? i wonder...
    i have my asp dp's all wrapped like yours (w/o paint & silicone shit) and yet to install them but i'm re-thinking because of all the shitty rainy days i see here in the PNW area...
    anyone care to express their opinion...???
    I would have had them coated, if I had the $$ for it.
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    unless you track the car or drive VERY hard for prolonged period of times, you wont need the wrap...It can't hurt but not really necessary imho.
    At least that applies to catless downpipes... no precats and no cats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trile View Post
    unless you track the car or drive VERY hard for prolonged period of times, you wont need the wrap...It can't hurt but not really necessary imho.
    At least that applies to catless downpipes... no precats and no cats.
    I am going completely catless
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    Having my downpipes wrapped was one of the best decisions I've made. I got rid of my factory heat shields when I had my 3" downpipes installed on the car and drove around like that for about a year. You could feel the increased heat coming from the center console, which got annoying real quick during the summer months. Had them wrapped and haven't looked back since. Personally, I noticed a very apparent difference with temps inside the cabin, and that alone made it well worth it imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sales@EPL View Post
    Having my downpipes wrapped was one of the best decisions I've made. I got rid of my factory heat shields when I had my 3" downpipes installed on the car and drove around like that for about a year. You could feel the increased heat coming from the center console, which got annoying real quick during the summer months. Had them wrapped and haven't looked back since. Personally, I noticed a very apparent difference with temps inside the cabin, and that alone made it well worth it imo.
    with Allstate's President Palmer's voice..."have you took a look at your dp's lately...??? are you sure you don't have a rusting in progress underneath your wrap...??? are you in good hands...???"

    kidding aside...wondering if i should be worried about the rust under the wrap over time... hence the question...
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    Examined them about a month back when I had the car up on the lift to change out the fuel filter... So far all is well.

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    People run into issues with rusting and embrittlement when they wrap mediocre quality pipes (SSAC; ask me how I know). Those 034 downpipes will hold up just fine.

    Heat wrap actually does little to decrease external temperatures. It might help a little bit, but as the OP said, the main reason for doing so is to increase flow through your pipes. This becomes much more prevalent on high horsepower / big turbo applications. The hotter the exhaust gases, the lower their density, which could result in less backpressure on your turbines. At higher RPMs, however, wrapping your downpipes could also result in heat soak (because the exhaust gases are unable to cool down).

    A lot of people have the misconception that the wrap keeps external temperatures cooler, when in reality, that's not what it actually does. There are potential benefits and disadvantages to doing so, although I sincerely doubt you're going to see any noticeable difference in spool time or performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedB5S4 View Post
    People run into issues with rusting and embrittlement when they wrap mediocre quality pipes (SSAC; ask me how I know). Those 034 downpipes will hold up just fine.

    Heat wrap actually does little to decrease external temperatures. It might help a little bit, but as the OP said, the main reason for doing so is to increase flow through your pipes. This becomes much more prevalent on high horsepower / big turbo applications. The hotter the exhaust gases, the lower their density, which could result in less backpressure on your turbines. At higher RPMs, however, wrapping your downpipes could also result in heat soak (because the exhaust gases are unable to cool down).

    A lot of people have the misconception that the wrap keeps external temperatures cooler, when in reality, that's not what it actually does. There are potential benefits and disadvantages to doing so, although I sincerely doubt you're going to see any noticeable difference in spool time or performance.
    ah ha...you sound like a smart man...so how would ceramic coating help in flow / ext temp / etc...???
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    Quote Originally Posted by crumbta View Post

    So I started out with some 034 Motorsports 3" DP's, which are absolutely GORGEOUS, top notch build quality. I can't say enough about them, and it's really kind of a shame that they are going to be covered up.

    FINALLY! They are truly top notch...sick of uneducated people shitting on these DP's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crumbta View Post
    Interesting...maybe Max could chime in ?

    I used the rustoleum on the pipes, and the DEI HT Silicone will be used to protect the wrap from the elements here in new england.
    Ceramic coating is definitely ideal, also because it lasts longer and is safer (even though the DEI is very flame retardant). Typically most people won't combine the two, but I've yet to personally see degradation of the pipes from this. I had my exhaust manifolds ceramic coated, and wrapped the bend since it nearly touches the compressor housing on big turbos.

    I think anytime people experience this, it is with XS Powder and eBay manifolds that are going to crack anyways, and this accelerates it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sales@EPL View Post
    Having my downpipes wrapped was one of the best decisions I've made. I got rid of my factory heat shields when I had my 3" downpipes installed on the car and drove around like that for about a year. You could feel the increased heat coming from the center console, which got annoying real quick during the summer months. Had them wrapped and haven't looked back since. Personally, I noticed a very apparent difference with temps inside the cabin, and that alone made it well worth it imo.
    I definitely agree. I've had my 034 3" downpipes wrapped for years and it helps dramatically, especially with keeping your electrical components from getting overly brittle under the heat cycles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max@034 View Post

    I think anytime people experience this, it is with XS Powder and eBay manifolds that are going to crack anyways, and this accelerates it.
    I definitely agree. I've had my 034 3" downpipes wrapped for years and it helps dramatically, especially with keeping your electrical components from getting overly brittle under the heat cycles.
    I heard from a bay area shop that I need to replace my heat shields because they kept installing 034 DP's and said they were having issues with fires on these cars. Heard anything about it? I disregarded it pretty quickly and asked if they talked to you guys about it....they didn't. Instead, they were too worried that 034 wouldn't believe them and that you guys would think they was doing the installs wrong. I was kind of like WTF, and never really paid attention to it.
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    Good to know, I may possibly do this!

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    The wrap should be dry by the time I get home from work tonite, and then I'll finish them up and complete this. I really can't wait to get the car back on the road.
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    So Max...
    Would you recommend ceramic coating the whole thing including the flex pipe?
    That's what the shop is telling me...that they usually coat the flex pipes too...I wander if they're just trying to charge me more because they charge by the foot...???

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    Quote Originally Posted by topquarkpc View Post
    ah ha...you sound like a smart man...so how would ceramic coating help in flow / ext temp / etc...???
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    Quote Originally Posted by topquarkpc View Post
    So Max...
    Would you recommend ceramic coating the whole thing including the flex pipe?
    That's what the shop is telling me...that they usually coat the flex pipes too...I wander if they're just trying to charge me more because they charge by the foot...???

    LUK
    A ceramic coating is basically going to do the same thing as the heat wrap. It's a heat repellant / insulant, so it's going to work to keep your exhaust gas temperatures hotter (i.e. less dense). Like I said in my other post, this could be beneficial in the way of exhaust scavenging, but the difference that it's going to provide really isn't going to be noticeable. Like Max and some of the others have said, coating / wrapping your downpipes may also help to keep your external temperatures down (so things like electrical components aren't exposed to too much heat and become brittle), but the main purpose of wrap is to create better exhaust flow (i.e. less back pressure).

    It's really up to you to weigh the advantages and disadvantages to wrapping / coating your pipes. As you can see in the original post, though, I wouldn't be paying to have a shop do it because it's such an easy DIY. Just buy the wrap, coating, or whatever you want to use, then follow application instructions as per the directions and refer to this post. There are plenty of how-to's and DIY's floating around the internet for this type of thing, too. Personally, it just sounds like the shop your'e talking to is trying to make a quick buck off you, but then again, I wouldn't pay a shop to do my downpipes in the first place.
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    RedB...i appreciate your input on the matter...but...i think you're mistaken with OP's paint vs getting ceramic coating on the DPs from a ceramic coating shop... i do see the advantage of ceramic coating to keep the heat in thus preventing / minimizing the radiated heat which translate to less wear on other surrounding parts like wires / rubber crap...etc...AND keeping the exhaust gas less dense to keep the gas flow better through the exhaust path.

    the shop that i'm thinking about getting the ceramic coat done is still against recommending wrap over the pipes whether it has ceramic coating because they claim that the wrap will trap moisture / chemical / etc that will over time will eventually penetrate the coating and metal material and will ultimate damage the DP's...i think the shop is overly exaggerating the effects of the wrap over some stock OEM parts which may yield dismal result... that's my observation from talking to these folks...anyway...

    i'm re-thinking my wrap for sure but i may keep it...i'll probably get the pipes ceramic coated tho...they charge $25 per foot so it'll be less than $60 - $80 bucks i figure...

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    Looking at the design of our engine bay it would be foolish not to do some kind heat insulation
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    Very interesting topic.

    I totally understand both sides. So, i'll say this - I would imagine most B5'ers that will be doing heat wrap/coatings etc on their downpipes are more likely primarily concerned with keeping under-hood temps minimized due to probable removal of OEM heat shields (as opposed to aiming for heat retention in the pipes that may help performance etc) .
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