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    Tempted by an A7, but the S4 is still a Keeper

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    Went to LA last weekend for the first time and I figured if I'm going to visit, I might as well get the full LA experience. SO I rented an A7 for the weekend. My biggest fear about renting the A7 was that I would somehow like it more than my 2012 S4 and be tempted to switch cars...well long story short the A7 came very close, but NOT quite b/c the S4 is still much better in the category that matters most to me: how it drives. My other point of comparison for a similar vehicle would be the 2012 BMW 650i convertible that BMW of Austin let me drive for a few hours last summer. The 650i convertible is a BEAST and tops the charts in terms of driving nirvana. but considering the 650i convertible had a twin turbo 400bhp/450 ft lb torque V8 and costs $100+k the A7 comes in a not too distant 2nd place.


    Why the A7? I wanted something that was elegant but not over the top, comfortable yet sporty and I also thought I would feel at home with the Audi MMI.

    Interior- A7 by a landslide
    Turns out the MMI was very different to the S4's MMI and there was quite a steep learning curve, but I also have to admit that the A7's MMI is YEARs ahead of the S4! The interior in general blows the S4's interior out of the water, but then again I think the S4's interior is seriously lacking compared to the rest of Audi's line-up (the dash of S4 looks so rubbery to me and the steering wheel is mehh). I know a lot of ppl rave about the S4 so I guess some ppl like it, I personally don't. The A7 feels and looks like a much more expensive car than the S4 even though they are similar priced (granted yes if you were to compare base A4 v base A7 the A7 is almost twice as much). I'd still have to give the edge to the 650i because it had the most immaculate leather with white stitching on the dashboard, but the A7 is IMPRESSIVE and the wood grain was a nice touch.The pop-out LCD screen in the A7 (similar to the 650i) was beautiful and loaded with Google Earth/Search/Wikipedia, rolling-wi-fi, and a handwriting interface. It was the perfect car to cruise around the parking lot that is LA and the ability to use voice to search for landmarks is something noticeably absent from most NAVs. The A7's base stereo system was also MUCH MUCH better than the premium B&O system on my S4 especially b/c it came with a subwoofer which meant I was actually turning DOWN the bass rather than the subpar MAX setting on the S4 >:O. I read that the A7's B&O option is nearly $6k. GTFO with that, the base version is no slouch, and I srsly am not impressed by B&O or really any German 'premium' audio system for that matter (at least in terms of bass output).

    Styling- A7 has more presence

    Read the quote from Motortrend below. It pretty much sums up EXACTLY how I feel. And I definitely got a lot of compliments and stares from bystanders in Los Angeles. You could drive this car to Malibu or Rodeo drive and not feel insignificant. If the A7 had an 'S7' badge on the back, I'd be VERY tempted to switch. Another plus for the A7 is the hatchback lift gate enables a ridiculous amount of trunk space, so it's very practical.

    "Today the A7 is the latest in a short line of swoopy, high-profit-margin, tech-swaddled, severely styled, curved-roof sedans built off existing vehicle architecture. This new Audi is prettier than all of them, including the new blunt-force-look Mercedes-Benz CLS. Maybe more to the point, here in Los Angeles where Continental GTs make folks yawn, the A7 actually had people on the street pointing at it. And they hadn't had the pleasure of sitting inside and running their hands over that open pore wood while their favorite sounds bled from the high-dollar Bang and Olufsen. Just like my new iPad, no one actually needs an Audi A7. But after two weeks using it, I'm not sure how I ever went without."

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    Performance/Handling - S4 without a doubt

    To my surprise, the A7 in a straight line felt surprisingly quick for only having ~310hp and weighing two tons. Definitely has plenty of torque and tip-in throttle works great with the 8 speed automagic. Something must be wrong with my S4 b/c I feel like there is a noticeable delay from the time I go WOT and when the car actually starts to jettison off (I always though S/C were suppose to be instantaneous). The S4 makes a lot of initial noise and fury, but I think the DSG is searching for the right gear before it fully initiates the kickdown. It's fairly annoying (if I switch to manual mode, I don't have the same problem), but I found the A7 was much quicker to kick down gears and then scoot off to triple digits in a hurry. The S4 does feel much quicker off the line however and the A7's tranny was also a lot less smooth on the decel. I think both the S4 and the A7 have fairly abysmal braking/brake feel in general which I attribute to their heft. The 650i with it's twin turbo 400hp V8 does feel and sound ferocious and the convertible experience of course only adds to the thrill, so I'm not sure it's a fair comparison. Perhaps when the S7 comes out than would be a better match.

    But the A7 is definitely more of a GT cruiser as it has noticeable body roll and taking turns felt like a fairly detached experience even with the ADS in "Dynamic" mode. Actually dynamic mode in the A7 really didn't feel all that different than Comfort mode and the steering was really slushy in both. The S4 is night and day and the grip seems almost limitless which inspires you to go through turns at speeds that your mind register's as not possible. The A7 on the other hand had me backing off the throttle rather than feeding in the throttle. If you don't care about the twisties, the A7 is more than capable though. I also remember the BMW 650i being a fairly impressive handling machine, but I also remember the ride being fairly harsh (in typical BMW fashion).


    For me, the A7 was a magnificent experience and the perfect car for LA traffic where all out speed/handling would be more of a pipe dream than an actuality. Since I live in the Northwest though, I think I'm more than happy with my S4 b/c I enjoy pulling Gs around those carousel exit ramps in the rain every chance I get :)

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    Nice review... As far as German premium sound systems I heard B&O was good (not good enough for me to get it though) but Porsches Burmeister in the 991s is spectacular
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    Great review! that was written wonderfully and I am now looking to rent an S4 instead of an A7 (if i ever get the opportunity of course).

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    I'd like to see a comparison with an S7 vs a S4

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    I think German premium audio tends to be very good at playing treble so they are good for classical music. But they aren't very good for bass output (I used to have a Harmon Kardon in my E46 M3) and a friends base Mustang GT had much better bass.

    I can't wait to drive a 991! My only experience with a Porsche was a Cayman S and it made my E46 M3 that was on coilovers feel like a Lexus because it was so stiff (in a good way).

    and BUMP for a comparison of an S7 vs S4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troposphere View Post
    I'd like to see a comparison with an S7 vs a S4
    Same here...

    I was driving to Crested Butte from Denver the other day (via CO 285) and saw the unmistakable LED eyes of two cars heading right toward me. When they got closer I only had a split second to tell, but one was absolutely was an S7, and the other could've been an S6, S7 or S8 in tight formation cruising the other direction. I almost lost it when I saw that little red S badge in the grille of the lead car, I was going nuts. They were probably diverting back to Denver because I-70 Eastbound was closed.

    We see a lot of late cycle high altitude testing here in CO year round from various OEM's. A few years back I pulled up along side a set of curious SUV's heading up I-70 in my V10 TDI Touareg, I had about 5 seconds to notice that one of them had LED headlights that looked like a 4-barrel Gatling gun and huge brakes, about the time the driver noticed I was getting my camera phone out he rocketed ahead - even chipped with 600 ft-lbs of torque on tap, I couldn't even get close to keeping up. Turns out, it was the current Cayenne Turbo...

    I would've given anything to get a good look at that S7 though...

    OP - Great comparo post. I always wondered how the A7 drives. Can't wait to see the new S7's in action!!
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    thanks for the positive feedback. maybe I should have chosen another career writing about cars since that's what I've been doing today instead of my job LOLz.

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    Does anyone else notice the acceleration lag at WOT in the S4 at cruising speeds??? Or is something indeed wrong with my S4.

    Quote Originally Posted by trinim3 View Post
    Something must be wrong with my S4 b/c I feel like there is a noticeable delay from the time I go WOT and when the car actually starts to jettison off (I always though S/C were suppose to be instantaneous). The S4 makes a lot of initial noise and fury, but I think the DSG is searching for the right gear before it fully initiates the kickdown. It's fairly annoying (if I switch to manual mode, I don't have the same problem)

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    I agree with this review 100%. The interior of the S4 is certainly well behind the A7 The steeriong wheel, shifter and dash pale in compared to my lowly 07 GTI. I had the A7 out a few weekd back. I love the lines and the interior. I prefer my S4 for the Stronic, power, brakes, alcantara seats and to me it is just the right size. Now I would be tempted by an S7.

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    IMO The new transmissions like to help save gas so they usually are in the highest gear possible to keep the revs low. So when you gas it, it either needs to down shift or wait for the revs to build so that you are in the power band so hence a lag. The best thing to do if you are driving aggressively is use the paddle shifter to downshift it yourself so don't wait for the car to do it, or drive in the manual mode in a lower gear so that you are always in the power band.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trinim3 View Post

    The A7's base stereo system was also MUCH MUCH better than the premium B&O system on my S4 especially b/c it came with a subwoofer
    I thought ours did....
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    Quote Originally Posted by caitovS4 View Post
    I thought ours did....
    it's possible that our S4s do have a sub (though I'm not sure). but even if it does, it doesn't have a separate tuning function for the sub (or at least mine doesn't). The A7 has tuning capability for both the subwoofer and the bass.

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    When car shopping I actually considered the A7 instead of the S4. I thought the front doors on the A7 were oddly short. I did like the functional spoiler and super thin low profile LED third brake light that spans across the top of the entire back window... a functional design element that trickled down from one of VW's exotic brand, Bentley (Continental GT, Flying Spur). Speaking of other VW brands, the new S6 and S7 will have "quilted leather" like the Bentley and Lamborghini. The Bentley's quilted leather is double stitched, however.... Either way, single or double stitched... its pure sex. At this point, I think the new 2013 S6 (fully loaded) will be my next car...

    I mean really who would be compelled to buy a Bentley when a loaded Audi S6/S7 is similarly equipped for a little over 1/3 of the price. Yeah you don't get the W12, but the S6/S7's V8T is no slouch - hell the Audi is faster. Of course with the Bentley you get more color options, slightly higher grade leather, wood, and more stainless throughout but is it worth $100k+ more? No thanks. In the end the Audi is faster, and has better tech.

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    Here is a view of the front seats in the S6...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FourRingRider View Post
    Here is a view of the front seats in the S6...

    That's going to be hard to resist. Any price estimates yet?

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    that stitching looks dope. I do like the S4 seats too though. And thanks for pointing out the adjustable rear spoiler on the A7 that I forgot to mention. Little things like that which are completely unnecessary make it clear that Audi was paying attention to detail when building this car. I would flip up the spoiler everytime I saw a BMW in the rear window sort of as a way of flipping the bird heheh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trinim3 View Post
    it's possible that our S4s do have a sub (though I'm not sure). but even if it does, it doesn't have a separate tuning function for the sub (or at least mine doesn't). The A7 has tuning capability for both the subwoofer and the bass.
    Both radios available in the B8 S4 have a subwoofer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4rociouS View Post
    That's going to be hard to resist. Any price estimates yet?
    I think it would be safe to say between $65k (base) - $80k (loaded)
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    A friend of mine got a 2012 A7 and he absolutely loves it. I haven't seen a S7 yet, has anyone of you ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FourRingRider View Post
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    I mean really who would be compelled to buy a Bentley when a loaded Audi S6/S7 is similarly equipped for a little over 1/3 of the price. Yeah you don't get the W12, but the S6/S7's V8T is no slouch - hell the Audi is faster. Of course with the Bentley you get more color options, slightly higher grade leather, wood, and more stainless throughout but is it worth $100k+ more? No thanks. In the end the Audi is faster, and has better tech.
    The 2013 Bentley Conti GT uses this same V8TT making the S6, S7, S8 even that much more of a value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pepsiguy View Post
    A friend of mine got a 2012 A7 and he absolutely loves it. I haven't seen a S7 yet, has anyone of you ?
    Its not even out yet. Probably wont see the first ones being delivered until June/July.
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    If those seats make it in a black and red stitching into the S6 or better yet future S4 model I may have to trade up! They look amazing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pepsiguy View Post
    A friend of mine got a 2012 A7 and he absolutely loves it. I haven't seen a S7 yet, has anyone of you ?
    Only on youtube.
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    The S6 and S7 interiors are out of control hot. And I think the new A6 exterior styling is the best its ever been. S6? If I needed the extra space I'd be all over it. As it is now I have trouble filling out the space in my S4.
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    If I may ask, where did you rent the A7 from ?

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    http://www.olympicrentacar.com/ in Beverly Hills. They are one of the few places with the A7 and decent prices (for LA)

    As far as car rental guys go, they are decent. they tried to sneak some insurance into my agreement, but I caught it, and they had no problems using my own insurance. So as long as you are paying attention, then they are straightforward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trinim3 View Post
    http://www.olympicrentacar.com/ in Beverly Hills. They are one of the few places with the A7 and decent prices (for LA)

    As far as car rental guys go, they are decent. they tried to sneak some insurance into my agreement, but I caught it, and they had no problems using my own insurance. So as long as you are paying attention, then they are straightforward.
    keep in mind guys when you rent a car your collision coverage will follow the rental if you have the proper endorsement. Here in Ontario that coverage is limited to $50,000. Therefore if you total a rental car your coverage is limited to 50K. Yes those rental places always try and tack on the insurance. I never get it. Most policies will cover you for all of Canada and the USA.

    $250 a day to me is a little steep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trinim3 View Post
    http://www.olympicrentacar.com/ in Beverly Hills. They are one of the few places with the A7 and decent prices (for LA)

    As far as car rental guys go, they are decent. they tried to sneak some insurance into my agreement, but I caught it, and they had no problems using my own insurance. So as long as you are paying attention, then they are straightforward.
    Thanks. I drove with the family to Vegas over the weekend and kept wishing I was in an Audi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seinsmeld13 View Post
    keep in mind guys when you rent a car your collision coverage will follow the rental if you have the proper endorsement. Here in Ontario that coverage is limited to $50,000. Therefore if you total a rental car your coverage is limited to 50K. Yes those rental places always try and tack on the insurance. I never get it. Most policies will cover you for all of Canada and the USA.

    $250 a day to me is a little steep.
    So does this mean if you're not taking the extra insurance and write off a 65k Audi you're on the hook for the additional 15k?

    Good to know if that is the case. Most traditional rental cars wouldn't come close to a $50K USD value but for the one off places for sure mentioned above there are many examples
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