Are these genuine borg warner k04's?? Help please!!!!!!!!!!

[Brian369]

I bought a pair of supposedly GENUINE BORG WARNER K04's from VWVORTEX, and now I am second guessing if they are true borg warners. I bought them as freshly rebuilt units with a receipt. I bought a parts car with genuine K04's, and these look slightly different to me. HELP PLEASE!!!!!!!!





Thread I bought turbos from: http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...9#post74345899

[infinkc]

im going to say they look real

[Brian369]

Good to hear!

Thank You

[GetAwayFromMe]

NO they look like "real" turbos lol but not real KO4's

[DiscoPotato]

I would say they are real housings with a Bae chra

[naudlee]

did you buy them from a Pat or Martin Pabian/PZA/lotusgardener out of Pennsylvania... if so, be weary!

[grassman]

Housing's look legit. The first 7 numbers seem right.

[rtl5009]

Having held numerous sets and having/ installing my own genuine BW K04s.... Those are def fake. Sorry brah.

[Highhats]

FAKe

[Brian369]

Bought them from Gwerks on VW Vortex. He said they are Genuine Borg Warners, which the housings and wastegate def are, and I have the reciepts from rebuild. He did have them Jet coated and whatnot. What makes you guys think they are fake?

[rtl5009]

If they definitely are why are you asking us?

Real k04

[Brian369]

heres the post.... http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...9#post74345899

[Brian369]

If they definitely are why are you asking us?

Real k04

I am just saying what I was told when I bought them. I do think the housings are legit as do some other members on here. No need to be a jerk this is just a simple question if someone could answer me how exactly they can tell so I can do some searching. I am just trying to get to the bottom of it. I have a pair of legit K04's on my parts motor, just don't want to rebuild them if the "New" ones I bought would work fine.

[Sole_]

That's a little fishy why Joaquin wouldn't post them here for sale.

[Dutchsider]

Pretty sure that I recall them being for sale here too.

[S4 00 2.7]

Housings seem fine. Centers, not sure. What does receipt say?

[Brian369]

Housings seem fine. Centers, not sure. What does receipt say?

Replaced bearing in one, and then just new seals throughout.

[Brian369]

just talked to the guy I bought them from, and he says they Sharpened/balanced fins, and that he basically just told the shop that he needed these to be reliable so they just went ahead and went over both of them completely, and made sure everything was ok.

[julex]

Weird that you're asking people on forums if they are legit while you already know what's original and what's not? If you bought them brand new in original OEM shape then the question would make sense but what you have here are some rebuilds with unknown crap in them.

1. Housings seem legit.
2. Wastegates - who knows.
3. Center sections - anybody's guess. Talk to the shop that did the work.

Cheers.

[TweetsS4Estate]

I know those turbos. Let me tell you the history.
There was a member on AZ that needed them sold. I told my friend Ryan about them. He was going to buy and then my friend corey wanted them. Since they were blown he had them re-built at a bourg warner dealership in grand rapids MI. The company does an impeccable job with rebuild/rebalance . They sandblast the housings clean and paint the wastegates. lean the center section housing. They rebuild the bearing, clean the ports. Then they test-run the turbos. The turbos leave with oil in the bearing even! Not only can I tell you that they are genuine KO4s, I can tell you they came from here and they will be a very reliable turbo given you install them correctly.
Sorry to dissapoint the people who thought they were fake. I had sold a set re-built o to someone from AZ. They have had 0 issues with them. / thread

[GWerks]

Hey Brian,

Hope everything is clear now, these turbos are real BW K04's, spoke with Corey today, you're more than welcome to call the turbo shop that rebuilt them and give them the invoice number. These turbos were rebuilt with BW parts since they are a BW dealer.

However, they hot tanked them or sand blasted them that's why the tags on them don't have blue paint.

And for those who know me, you guys know I wouldn't do something like that.

/thread

[Dutchsider]

A reputation to uphold ^

[Peter1.8t]

Gwerks just shat on fools.

[witwer4444]

Hey I know these turbos

[Brian12g-8602]

back from the dead...finally got the car up and running again and not even a tank of fuel through the car the turbos are whining/humming/smoking. Good call to everyone who said they were fake, real k04's wouldn't go before 300 miles already. Hopefully somebody stands behind it and makes the deal right that I bought them from.

[JonathanG]

back from the dead...finally got the car up and running again and not even a tank of fuel through the car the turbos are whining/humming/smoking. Good call to everyone who said they were fake, real k04's wouldn't go before 300 miles already. Hopefully somebody stands behind it and makes the deal right that I bought them from.

Sounds you should contact the people who rebuilt them, possible installation error?

[GWerks]

I pm'd you. Please give me a call.

Seriously though, you spoke on the phone with the turbo shop who rebuilt them and they told you they were not fake. Stop pointing fingers until you pull them back out.

[TweetsS4Estate]

I understand why you are upset. Nevertheless, you're wrong in your assumption. Those are OEM BW KO4s, and the shop that re-built them are a certified BW and garret repair facility. It sounds like an install error to me.

back from the dead...finally got the car up and running again and not even a tank of fuel through the car the turbos are whining/humming/smoking. Good call to everyone who said they were fake, real k04's wouldn't go before 300 miles already. Hopefully somebody stands behind it and makes the deal right that I bought them from.

[splatt]

And you've completely ruled out installer error?

[99blueb5]

something seems a little fishy...300 miles? seems a little sudden, even if they were poorly rebuilt i would think they would last longer than that, unless you never hooked oil lines up to them..lol. im not saying its your fault just stating that even fake ko4's have lasted longer than that.... something is up

[TweetsS4Estate]

It takes less than not hooking up the lines. All it takes to ruin turbos is not priming them after they have been sitting. The moment you throw heat at a dry bearing youre done. I am a disinterested party. I can tell you they are real.

something seems a little fishy...300 miles? seems a little sudden, even if they were poorly rebuilt i would think they would last longer than that, unless you never hooked oil lines up to them..lol. im not saying its your fault just stating that even fake ko4's have lasted longer than that.... something is up

[witwer4444]

Poor installation is without a doubt the culprit here. Why would so many of us older guys (Senior members) back these turbos up as Genuine BW if we were lying to you.

Who did the installation? Like Reid said above, please inform us on who did the install and what steps they took to "install" them....

[GWerks]

Just got off the phone with the OP.

Brian, I hope this works out for you and Corey but I think a couple of things you told me on the phone 5 minutes ago were sketchy.

1. These turbos were purchased over 6 months ago.
2. Car was tuned by Unitronic and YOU'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THE TUNE AT ALL
3. Turbos were running at waste gate pressure ''whatever that is''
4. You don't have a boost gauge? ^
5. A shop did the install, why ask on the forums if they were real then? You replied ''because I wanted a second opinion'', I asked what they told you, you replied ''they said they were real but they didn''t know if the internals were, so you compared them to your buddy's and saw that your buddy's had a washer that yours didn't''. Okay, so people on Audizine are going to be able to tell if the internals are real by looking at a couple of pictures??
6. Wastegates were painted by the shop, on the phone you said ''all the paint came off because of the heat'', so you have them out already?
7. Someone sells you turbos for ~$1400 (I believe), they blow within 300 miles and you don't even call them to explain the situation, you believe that sending them a txt demanding your money back is the right thing to do.
8. Before you even know the cause of the smoking issue, you point fingers and blame it on ''GWerks sold me a pair of fake K04's'', have in mind, it could be a blown head gasket (yes, a simple compression test won't always tell you if the gaskets are blown'', clogged up spider hose..etc

If it is true that they failed at ''less than a tank of gas'' which means, you just finished the build and you were breaking in the clutch, how do you know if it wasn't due to a boost leak? disconnected waste gate line? I mean, after all, you were only running waste pressure ''whatever that is'' with a Unitronic tune right?

I would be happy to help you and Corey (seller of the turbos who you sent the money to and the turbos got shipped to you from) but after analyzing everything you said on the phone and the way you acted since you thought that because these rebuilt turbos didn't have a washer that some K04's that according to you have never been rebuilt do, I'm sorry, but I have my doubts you're telling the honest truth.

[Matt Danger]

OP sounds like a retard. Good to know so I can never sell him anything.

And many BW K04s have blown from installation error.

[DiscoPotato]

Op those turbos are real.

[zrider91r]

what could you do to fuck up a turbo install (so I know for future reference!)

[CELison]

what could you do to fuck up a turbo install (so I know for future reference!)

not priming them=huge fuck up

[Matt Danger]

what could you do to fuck up a turbo install (so I know for future reference!)

Forget to remove the oil line plugs. Sometimes they break and parts fall into the CHRA.

Or not priming the turbos before startup.

[rlny]

thx bro!

[rlny]

2 rings rock!