Are the ST coilovers any good?

[Sam091990]

I'm trying to decide what set of coilovers to buy without dumping a ton a cash on them. The ST set seems like the best at the moment, but the fact that they are not dampness adjustable steers me away from them. Should I get a set that are dampness adjustable or is the ST set a good way to go?

[DRA4]

For a daily drive car they are very good, i run them on my B5 S4 and so far so good.

[green a6]

by Saving money yes there good and to add I havent heard complains about them

[V8Beast]

I'm trying to decide what set of coilovers to buy without dumping a ton a cash on them. The ST set seems like the best at the moment, but the fact that they are not dampness adjustable steers me away from them. Should I get a set that are dampness adjustable or is the ST set a good way to go?

Go for the Vogtland Coilovers. . .

[heywier427]

theyre great for the $. they go low, the ride is smooth.

but,

if you enjoy driving above 75, and you can commute at those speeds or more, they can get scary.

id say they need way more dampning up front to make me happy.

to be totally honest, my 120k, leaking koni's handled better.

ive already bought another set, and the st's will be up for sale in the summer.

the best description of how they feel, said by many, is they are a good comfortable step up from the sport suspension.

im not knocking them totally, they just dont fit my daily spirited driving style. if i didnt enjoy driving like a dick, id be happy with them.

hope that helps.

[Sam091990]

I plan on doing auto-cross in the summer...

[heywier427]

then way pass.

spend the money on something good.

im cheap. im doing the koni adjustables, with the ecs front lowering kit, and making spacers to raise my rear springs.

the springs are really old intrax springs, but i really enjoy the stiffness. the rears have just sagged a bit too much.

choose wisely my son...

[A42007]

theyre great for the $. they go low, the ride is smooth.

but,

if you enjoy driving above 75, and you can commute at those speeds or more, they can get scary.

id say they need way more dampning up front to make me happy.

to be totally honest, my 120k, leaking koni's handled better.

ive already bought another set, and the st's will be up for sale in the summer.

the best description of how they feel, said by many, is they are a good comfortable step up from the sport suspension.

im not knocking them totally, they just dont fit my daily spirited driving style. if i didnt enjoy driving like a dick, id be happy with them.

hope that helps.

I agree at high speeds they can get kinda sketchy. More so in a turn with a drop or bump... Makes the car kinda sway out a bit. But if you went to stiffer the ride would be worse. Upgraded sway bar could help though.

[A42007]

Oh and seriously?

Search..... I have seen TONS of threads regarding this exact same question. I have seen quite a few threads from you always asking for shit that has been posted numerous times.

[A42007]

Since I feel like being a dick......

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ilover-reviews
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...the-winter-use.
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...vers-for-B7-A4
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...t-reviews-here



And even a picture thread...
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...Picture-Thread!

[B6A4Dave]

theyre great for the $. they go low, the ride is smooth.

but,

if you enjoy driving above 75, and you can commute at those speeds or more, they can get scary.

id say they need way more dampning up front to make me happy.

to be totally honest, my 120k, leaking koni's handled better.

ive already bought another set, and the st's will be up for sale in the summer.

the best description of how they feel, said by many, is they are a good comfortable step up from the sport suspension.

im not knocking them totally, they just dont fit my daily spirited driving style. if i didnt enjoy driving like a dick, id be happy with them.

hope that helps.

I was very seriously thinking about getting these until I saw this...my speed limit here in Colorado is 75...

Can you describe what the problem is at higher speed?

[ray_B6]

i have ST coils and i drive spirited...i also had my car aligned and corner balanced and they handle great in my opinion. I've taken my car to 90+ MPH on empty stretch of highway and they were pretty stable. I like to cruise at 75-80 on the highway and I corner HARD and i dont even have a rear RS4 sway bar yet. Honestly they ride smooth, not super stiff (which would be annoying for DD) and they're not soft/bouncy (which would also be annoying for DD). I've only had them on for a few weeks so i dont know how they are long term......for $800, ST coilovers gets a from me.

[heywier427]

just as a42007 says.

around a corner, with a dip in it, wants to kick the rear end out. ive got the rs4 sway, and didnt have this problem with the konis, so i have to say the st's are the cause of it. (i have scales and corner balanced the car to try and fix it) i did a couple of different settings front and rear, and never got it even close to the koni's.

the front end just compresses way to much, which lifts the rear end, and gives you that feeling in your stomach. that whoa feeling.

i dont like that feeling.

another example, although this is just bad driving, but it happens. your hauling ass, going into a long sweeping corner, and the dick getting on the highway goes from the on ramp to the third lane. you hit the brakes. your susp. is already compressed from the corner, compresses more from the braking, then bounces the rear end, thus bouncing the front end.

now that i think about it, they really do suck. i hate to hate on products, but i just dont care for how these feel at speed. even in a straight line over 90 hitting a dip is sketchy <** havent used that word in a while :), but very fitting.

if your speed limit is 75 and your average speed is 85+ i would totally pass on these.

they are great for the price, and they go very low, they are a comfortable ride, but there is not much sport to them.

like i said, im getting rid of mine. and they have been poping up in the classifieds more and more often.

and ray, not that im sword fighting or anything, but i routinely drive 110+ for a good portion of my 430 am commute... and they scare me.

im just used to a very stiff suspesnion i guess. this was my first half ass susp. purchase, and it shows when push comes to shove.

my 4300lbs q45 with tokiko adjustables and eibach springs, handles better in the corners.

[Sam091990]

Oh and seriously?

Search..... I have seen TONS of threads regarding this exact same question. I have seen quite a few threads from you always asking for shit that has been posted numerous times.

It's a forum, where you make threads, to converse or ask questions. No rules against me starting a new thread about something that has been brought up before. No sense in having a forum if users aren't starting threads, is there? If it bothers you so much just move on, no one is forcing you to reply to my thread. I fail to see how everyone gets so worked up over this.

Anyway... seems like I'll take a pass on these and go a different route.

[ray_B6]

I understand Heywier's point....ST coilovers are for the people on a budget....I dont think they should be compared to Konis or anything that has adjustable dampening lol....I've had previous cars with Tokico Illuminas shocks (adjustable dampening) and KYB AGX(adjustable dampening) and the ST coilovers feels like regular stock when compared to those....so Sam i suggest you take Heywier's advice since you plan to autocross your car...ST were not designed to be tracked. I've never tracked a car but i know that ST coils WILL be a disappointment.....for DD though, they serve me fine.

[fcjasontt]

It's a forum, where you make threads, to converse or ask questions. No rules against me starting a new thread about something that has been brought up before. No sense in having a forum if users aren't starting threads, is there? If it bothers you so much just move on, no one is forcing you to reply to my thread. I fail to see how everyone gets so worked up over this.

Anyway... seems like I'll take a pass on these and go a different route.

As the installer and road tester of a couple of sets of STs, I can say that they are not bad.

Get a hold of me if you would like to entertain other options as well as get our price on an ST setup.

[airjordan223]

had mine for about a year now. zero complaints.

[Sam091990]

As the installer and road tester of a couple of sets of STs, I can say that they are not bad.

Get a hold of me if you would like to entertain other options as well as get our price on an ST setup.

I'll get a hold of you when I'm ready to get a set. You're not too far away from me either.

[IGottaP]

how is the ride compared to stock ?

[BUSAfREAkA4]

Since I feel like being a dick......

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ilover-reviews
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...the-winter-use.
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...vers-for-B7-A4
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...t-reviews-here



And even a picture thread...
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...Picture-Thread!

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[B6A4Dave]

Been reading through all the links provided above and have gotten some great information, however, How would you guys say the Vogtland GT1's compare to these ST's?

Very similar price on sale, $999 vs $800.

It appears as though they're great for spirited DDing and for those who want "moar low"

But this higher speed thing is somewhat scary, is there a way to prevent this? Different springs rates? Adjustments?

[Sam091990]

Been reading through all the links provided above and have gotten some great information, however, How would you guys say the Vogtland GT1's compare to these ST's?

Very similar price on sale, $999 vs $800.

It appears as though they're great for spirited DDing and for those who want "moar low"

But this higher speed thing is somewhat scary, is there a way to prevent this? Different springs rates? Adjustments?

I looked at the Vogtland but it's a pretty steep price and no dampening adjustment. By the way, you can get the ST kit for $700-$750 on eBay.

[B6A4Dave]

It's definitely a tough compromise between getting rid of my perfectly fine condition Sport suspension for ST's, I dont have any problems at higher speeds on stock...and is it really worth it to get ST's is my thing.

The sport suspension is great, but I do want to close my wheel gap ad get some increased handling, but if its going to produce a safety risk at higher speeds...not worth the risk.

Any thoughts or opinions towards K-Sports?

[ray_B6]

i got mine for $735 shipped from AMI over the christmas sale.....I considered Vogtlands and StaSis street sports but i think for 1k and up i should have dampening adjustments...thats just me though. These are stiffer than stock which is to be expected with coilovers...still comfortable though, absorbs bumps well too which surprised me. The highspeed thing doesnt apply to me since i have no issues with them and I drive on 3 different highways daily.

[B6A4Dave]

Care to elaborate on your lack of high speed issues?

Im curious as to see who has these issues and why.

[airjordan223]

I haven''t noticed these "high speed" issues either.

[dan5171]

I got mine from AMI when they first were offered. I have no complaints. I drive about 80 miles a day, almost all highway. I have not experienced any sway or other type of problmems at high speeds. These are made in Germany by KW and in my opinion ride just a little bit stiffer than the sport suspension I had. Hope that helps.

[heywier427]

after i installed the st's and wasnt really impressed with the ride, i searched a bit and found some info on the front springs.

the earlier versions of the st's had 1 long spring on front shocks. the ones i got, have a shorter spring, and a helper spring. (which is very common to many coilover setups).

the people with the 1 pc spring only had good things to say. the people with the 2 pc springs were hit or miss. some liked them, some didnt.

honestly, these rusty leaking 120k+ koni's handled better. im glad i found the warranty card!

the dark spots in the rust...yea thats fluid seepage. seemed like i was one pothole away from catastrophic failure!

[IMG][/IMG]

and vuala new koni's! under warrenty 8 years later!

[32_d3gr33s]

ive had the ST's for about a year, and i have none of these issues with the rear end kicking out... Ive had my car up to about 120 a few times, and i was never once scared with them... maybe there is a difference between the 1.8's and the 3.0's though...

[Sam091990]

I'm thinking of just getting a used sport suspension setup with RS4 rear sway bar.

[ray_B6]

Care to elaborate on your lack of high speed issues?

Im curious as to see who has these issues and why.

I drive roughly 60 miles per day all highway...the car sees 75-85 MPH on avg...once in a while when its clear i might take it up to 100....no issues, no sway. Then when i take exits, while everyone is braking, I'm accelerating lol, theres one exit that got damaged by snow/salt and has a HUGE bump and while cornering i tested it over that bump, no rear end kicking out. My BMW E36 had the rear end kick out on that exit ALOT, and that was stock ///M Sport suspension, with my ST, i was grinning ear to ear b/c i was so pleased with its performance for something i paid less than $800 for. I read a few reviews on here before i got them and i noticed that it was a hit or miss with the new design like Heywier said. I think most people expected way too much from them.

[B6A4Dave]

These mixed reviews are putting a lot more faith back in possibly purchasing a set.

Does anyone know of any better deals or vendors on AZ that have a good price?

I'd much rather support an AZ Vendor than some random parts website

[7speed]

I'm selling mine......only because I'm going air ride. The price is considerably less then the new price. My set has less than 1000 miles on it as this car is primarily a show and just sits in the garage.

[airjordan223]

I bought mine here on AZ from AMI for $750

[TipTucker01]

no hwhy are you in the b6 forum?

[screwball]

KW V2s were completely awesome on my GTI - at all speeds. I've run 5 other suspension setups on there and they all pale in comparison to a quality sorted coilover. You get what you pay for and the STs seem great for the nerds looking to drive their car 3/4" off the pavement.

[Sam091990]

no hwhy are you in the b6 forum?

Because I have a B6...