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    Quote Originally Posted by Lout Jnr View Post
    Zingo, have you had the leak since you put the IM spacers in. If so check to see if they are cracked, you may have accidently tightened down the IM to much and made a crack in the spacers. I have heard this happen to a few of the S4 guys. I hope that is not the issue but it is just a thought.
    I JUST recently got the code and the leak. When my new mani, runners & actuator comes in I'll see then. Hope not, that would suck.
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    ok keepin the progress goin.....Just did a little project my buddy had some left over 3.5" aluminum intake pieces that he gave me. So i thought hey lemme try a lil custom partial intake setup. Did a little of this and a little of that and it came out pretty cool! . Gave it a semigloss blak coat i dont like to be to flashy. Butt dyno says the low and mid range could have pikd up a bit. Did a few 20-55mph timed runs and human error is possible but i averaged ~6.5s, i used my phone so it only has one decimal place. I gotta start using my chronometer that has 3 decimal places lol this is gettin to tedious.



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    Do you seriously run without a filter?
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    Human error. It has been scientifically proven that an open air element in our car decreases performance.

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    So when are you going to test the stock air box......I think you will find it will improve.

    I have one question with the setup you have just made, where is it getting cold air from
    It's a Definite Possibility of an Affirmed Maybe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lout Jnr View Post
    So when are you going to test the stock air box......I think you will find it will improve.

    I have one question with the setup you have just made, where is it getting cold air from
    Looks like unfiltered, hot engine bay air. Way not cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vteckiller2000 View Post
    Looks like unfiltered, hot engine bay air. Way not cool.
    Nope no filtr, jus some unused pantyhose lol, believe me if u saw the inside of my intake manifold and how its caked with oil and grease u would freak, n tht was done by the previous owner, so i dnt wanna create nemore restrictions with an air filtr, ye its crazy but oh well
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    Quote Originally Posted by A-FourLO View Post
    Nope no filtr, jus some unused pantyhose lol, believe me if u saw the inside of my intake manifold and how its caked with oil and grease u would freak, n tht was done by the previous owner, so i dnt wanna create nemore restrictions with an air filtr, ye its crazy but oh well
    If you look in my thread, I actually ran an open element filter in my car for months, an swore it wasn't hurting the car. I went to the track and ran my set up vs a slightly modded stock air box. Ran a 16.7 @ 85 mph, put in the stock box and ran 16.3 @ 87. I swore by my set up and even stated that unless someone could prove that it wasn't helping, I would leave it in. With your intake Mani & open element filter you are only limiting your car more and more.

    My opinion is get a stock intake and fix your intake mani problems. You can't progress in different areas to make up for problems in other areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zingo_310 View Post
    If you look in my thread, I actually ran an open element filter in my car for months, an swore it wasn't hurting the car. I went to the track and ran my set up vs a slightly modded stock air box. Ran a 16.7 @ 85 mph, put in the stock box and ran 16.3 @ 87. I swore by my set up and even stated that unless someone could prove that it wasn't helping, I would leave it in. With your intake Mani & open element filter you are only limiting your car more and more.

    My opinion is get a stock intake and fix your intake mani problems. You can't progress in different areas to make up for problems in other areas.
    I understand and i agree with you i need to do some more tests to see where the problem areas are, and i already know the manifold actuator is necessary however the reason behind why i need it is more intriguing to me. The actuator switches from the longer intake manifold runners to shorter runners. So given that info and what i learned from removing the actuator is look at the dyno graph and how the power carries to redline. So i want to try to replicate that effect without the actuator actually being in the manifold. Usually this means attempt to make the short set of runners a bit longer and/or make the intake tube longer. Doing it differently than the actuator could possibly give me gains in other areas along with the desired effect of the increase in torque that i was looking for. A pain in the ass i know but thats how i learn things.

    I will test the stock airbox in time. However the reason as to why the stock airbox you say "performs" better is the answer i want to find out. Becuz clearly that thing is restrictive as heck. No one in their rite mind uses a design like that for an increase in performance. So once i find a non restrictive more performance oriented design that gives the same effect as the stock airbox then i will test the airbox against it and see what happens there. IDK if you guys can see what im getting at here. I am after the REASON as to why things work and dont work. Thats what i want to learn. Not just "he said she said". Becuz yea you will learn wut works and doesnt that way but the only reason you know why is becuz this guy said this or that guy said that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A-FourLO View Post
    I understand and i agree with you i need to do some more tests to see where the problem areas are, and i already know the manifold actuator is necessary however the reason behind why i need it is more intriguing to me.
    Here is a partial explanation. (for the 4.2 but the principle of operation is the same. The 3.0 has only two positions, not three)

    And the Wikipedia page for "Variable length intake manifold"

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    That same box design is used in the RS4, which time after time has been proven to be better. What part about the box is restrictive? It pulls air from the front of the car, which is the coolest, highest flowing part of the car. With the air box being sealed off, all the air being forced into the front of the air box is being directly transferred to the TB. Which is why the modded box is better than stock & "CAI".
    I understand you want to find out on your own but why not take what data we already have a go from there instead of running circles around each other.
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    Stock airbox is the winning choice with that motor.
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    There is so much wrong in your post OP. The stock airbox is not clearly restrictive at all, in fact millions of dollars were spent flow testing it making it function correctly and well. You have NO mods which would make the stock box restrictive in any way. The stock box is good well past 12's which you are nowhere near. Also, the variable runners would actually cause you to gain back your torque you used to have, and ALSO gain the top end you got removing it. You really get to have your cake and eat it too with the stock setup which is why I am completely befuddled as to why you are doing the things you are doing. Plus, you are damaging your engine running without a filter. You are actually making your car way slower and hurting it in the long run by doing what you are doing. I am all for learning about modding, but we are all beating our heads against the wall trying to help you and you just don't want to listen... I am frustrated.
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    Also, your intake manifold is most likely caked with grease and oil because the PCV system needs replaced. Do your stage 0 maintenance before modding and your results will actually mean something and be much more helpful to the 3.0 community.
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    ....gotta love the trial by fire method.

    love the enthusiasm, however the execution is turning out to be laughable.
    Keep it up OP, just try to do some researching before you go all out on something


    and X2 to what was said before. The first start to just about anyone's build is maintenance. Make sure everything about your car is in fine shape before you start to add stress to different parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fr0sty View Post
    Here is a partial explanation. (for the 4.2 but the principle of operation is the same. The 3.0 has only two positions, not three)

    And the Wikipedia page for "Variable length intake manifold"
    thats an awesome article and def shows a better designed manifold than the 3.0.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vteckiller2000 View Post
    There is so much wrong in your post OP. The stock airbox is not clearly restrictive at all, in fact millions of dollars were spent flow testing it making it function correctly and well. You have NO mods which would make the stock box restrictive in any way. The stock box is good well past 12's which you are nowhere near. Also, the variable runners would actually cause you to gain back your torque you used to have, and ALSO gain the top end you got removing it. You really get to have your cake and eat it too with the stock setup which is why I am completely befuddled as to why you are doing the things you are doing. Plus, you are damaging your engine running without a filter. You are actually making your car way slower and hurting it in the long run by doing what you are doing. I am all for learning about modding, but we are all beating our heads against the wall trying to help you and you just don't want to listen... I am frustrated.
    IDK if i would call it wrong, just an opinion that doesnt agree with you. You make statements that are your opinion and i do the same but i dont call yours wrong. I make statements based on what i have learned here with the tests i have done. No i have not tested the stok airbox on this car but i have on others and they have shown to be restrictions. So thats my basis. You stated the stock airbox is good past 12's?? I was not aware that there was a N/A 3.0 that is running 12's? And i have come to terms that i know the removal of the actuator is killing a bunch of torque but how much of that torque is usable to justify spending the 200 buks replacing it and having that actuator in there restricting manifold capacity after a certain RPM. I can see your frustration. This car has put me to the test in learning something new as i have never owned an Audi before.

    Quote Originally Posted by vteckiller2000 View Post
    Also, your intake manifold is most likely caked with grease and oil because the PCV system needs replaced. Do your stage 0 maintenance before modding and your results will actually mean something and be much more helpful to the 3.0 community.
    Yes i need to fix the PCV system i know this just havent got around to it. Believe me i hear you bro , i just see it as a plus rite now becuz that means there is more power to be had when i give the mani/PCV a good cleaning so there will be some good results aftr that.

    Quote Originally Posted by BCsniper View Post
    ....gotta love the trial by fire method.

    love the enthusiasm, however the execution is turning out to be laughable.
    Keep it up OP, just try to do some researching before you go all out on something


    and X2 to what was said before. The first start to just about anyone's build is maintenance. Make sure everything about your car is in fine shape before you start to add stress to different parts.
    Ye this is fun for me nothing to get stressed about....although i admit i got super upset when the pinch bolt for the upper control arms was stuk so bad it would not turn and would not come out i was ready to give up! but i didnt thanks to my pops :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zingo_310 View Post
    That same box design is used in the RS4, which time after time has been proven to be better. What part about the box is restrictive? It pulls air from the front of the car, which is the coolest, highest flowing part of the car. With the air box being sealed off, all the air being forced into the front of the air box is being directly transferred to the TB. Which is why the modded box is better than stock & "CAI".
    I understand you want to find out on your own but why not take what data we already have a go from there instead of running circles around each other.
    I hear your argument, however i have seen gains on other cars from airbox removal/replacement. I have no basis on this car to support that but thats something i hope to figure out latr. MY theory so far is that wut your feeling could be misinterpreted. That actually the airbox slowing down the air making it less turbulent by the time it gets to the MAF and creating a more even flow so the MAF sensor can read the incoming air more efficiently. The problem with an open element directly in front of the MAF is that the incoming air is extremely turbulent therefore not allowing the MAF to get an accurate reading if any reading at all. Hence the loss of power. So how can this be fixed? Thats what i hope to find out, create a free flowing intake system that creates an environment for the MAF to read as accurate as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A-FourLO View Post
    I hear your argument, however i have seen gains on other cars from airbox removal/replacement. I have no basis on this car to support that but thats something i hope to figure out latr. MY theory so far is that wut your feeling could be misinterpreted. That actually the airbox slowing down the air making it less turbulent by the time it gets to the MAF and creating a more even flow so the MAF sensor can read the incoming air more efficiently. The problem with an open element directly in front of the MAF is that the incoming air is extremely turbulent therefore not allowing the MAF to get an accurate reading if any reading at all. Hence the loss of power. So how can this be fixed? Thats what i hope to find out, create a free flowing intake system that creates an environment for the MAF to read as accurate as possible.
    No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zingo_310 View Post
    No.
    ok....?
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    Lol I'm kidding. I'm golfing and didn't feel like explaining my interpretation. I'll touch on it later
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    oh ok haha cool bro r u in Tampa? Man those courses have to be beautiful over there with the natural beaches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A-FourLO View Post
    oh ok haha cool bro r u in Tampa? Man those courses have to be beautiful over there with the natural beaches.
    Nah in between daytona and Orlando, some of these ate good, some are reallllllly bad lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zingo_310 View Post
    Nah in between daytona and Orlando, some of these ate good, some are reallllllly bad lol
    oh ok i knew you were somewhere up there cool, yea im not a regular golfer but i am competent enuf to hit the ball straight on a fairly consistent basis lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by A-FourLO View Post
    I hear your argument, however i have seen gains on other cars from airbox removal/replacement.
    Yes, but this is not like other cars so it would have been better to find out how the stock box is performing before going to something else. And it'd not just people's "opinions" that the stock airbox performs better. Both Stratmosphere and Gruppe M ($1300 Carbon Fiber unit) have spent significant effort designing new intakes and neither one of them have shown to preform any better than the stock airbox and I believe both of them gave higher IAT's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCsniper View Post
    Yes, but this is not like other cars so it would have been better to find out how the stock box is performing before going to something else. And it'd not just people's "opinions" that the stock airbox performs better. Both Stratmosphere and Gruppe M ($1300 Carbon Fiber unit) have spent significant effort designing new intakes and neither one of them have shown to preform any better than the stock airbox and I believe both of them gave higher IAT's.
    i dont want to sound like a smartass here but wheres the proof? Were there actually valid real world tests done? Or just some butt dynos and the usual he said she said mumbo jumbo?

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    Yes there were tests done. Why would I mention higher IAT's?This has been extensively looked at in the B6/7 S4 section. I know it is somewhat different for the 3.0L since we don't have that Aux. radiator right in front of the airbox, but any other CAI is really just going to be a Hot Air Intake.
    I assume you don't have a Vag-Com cable. Get one, measure you IAT's with and without the stock airbox. See which one is better. If you want to stop getting the somewhat less turbulent air from the stock box do the "Zingo" mod by blocking off the secondary air inlet going into the wheel well.

    And for somebody who wants "valid test" and doesn't like believing butt-dynos, where are your tests and results (besides from a couple previous dynos)? Timing your 0-60 by hitting the stopwatch on you phone that was probably sitting in your lap is not the most accurate way to find results. You say you want to see valid data, but never seem to get any yourself. I know it sounds like I am really hating, and I'm not trying to. Your enthusiasm to advance your car is great, you just seem to be going about it all the wrong way. Research first, then adapt, not the other way around

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCsniper View Post
    Yes there were tests done. Why would I mention higher IAT's?This has been extensively looked at in the B6/7 S4 section. I know it is somewhat different for the 3.0L since we don't have that Aux. radiator right in front of the airbox, but any other CAI is really just going to be a Hot Air Intake.
    I assume you don't have a Vag-Com cable. Get one, measure you IAT's with and without the stock airbox. See which one is better. If you want to stop getting the somewhat less turbulent air from the stock box do the "Zingo" mod by blocking off the secondary air inlet going into the wheel well.

    And for somebody who wants "valid test" and doesn't like believing butt-dynos, where are your tests and results (besides from a couple previous dynos)? Timing your 0-60 by hitting the stopwatch on you phone that was probably sitting in your lap is not the most accurate way to find results. You say you want to see valid data, but never seem to get any yourself. I know it sounds like I am really hating, and I'm not trying to. Your enthusiasm to advance your car is great, you just seem to be going about it all the wrong way. Research first, then adapt, not the other way around
    I have seen the article regarding the B8 S4 and that doesnt do much for me as that car is a whole other animal (F/I, Valvelift, way better overall design etc...). I am not sure how to answer your question about where are my "Real World" results....I guess if comparison dynos, 20-55mph tests, and 1/8th mile data is not real world enuf for you then IDK where you are coming from. I dont take offense to your comment this is an opinion based place. I appreciate your support regardless.
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    This is hopeless, I am arguing with a guy who uses pantyhose for an airfilter... Good luck OP with your pursuits to reinvent everything on your car that Audi "wasted" millions of dollars apparently engineering wrong.
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    whos arguing? lol im at work passing time talkin about cars all day this is fun for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by A-FourLO View Post
    whos arguing? lol im at work passing time talkin about cars all day this is fun for me
    Maybe it is because I am in a bad mood, but you seem to want to make your car faster and more reliable by modding it and changing stuff around? A few of us are trying to help you get to that goal as cheap and easy as possible, but you don't make any sense in the decisions you are making. You didn't want to replace the manifold runners because you were worried about pieces breaking off and getting ingested by the engine, but you run without an air filter? Where is the logic?
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    Chill bro life is good, well at least in miami...IDK if you are snowed in where you live but i understand your pain if you are yikes! Car Faster yes, reliable um i hope so but those millions of dollars that you speak of that were spent on this car, IMHO and im sure this is no surprise, but cars were built to break if you or anyone else hasnt noticed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by A-FourLO View Post
    Chill bro life is good, well at least in miami...IDK if you are snowed in where you live but i understand your pain if you are yikes! Car Faster yes, reliable um i hope so but those millions of dollars that you speak of that were spent on this car, IMHO and im sure this is no surprise, but cars were built to break if you or anyone else hasnt noticed...
    Circular argument. And yes, I am being shit on by snow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vteckiller2000 View Post
    Circular argument. And yes, I am being shit on by snow.
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    This thread is such crap, you are DESTROYING Your nice Audi, sell it and buy a civic. Please...

    You did not make 30 more whp on the same dyno with your shitty mods... And if you really made 30+ Awhp you would not be running the same track times!

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    Quote Originally Posted by A-FourLO View Post
    I have seen the article regarding the B8 S4 and that doesnt do much for me as that car is a whole other animal
    ...if you noticed I was referring to the B6/7 S4 which is quite similar to our car (aluminum N/a V-style motor). Many of the advancements that are being made now for the 3.0L are just alterations of proven benefits that came from the V8 S4.

    and Dyno's are fine, even though the numbers given can range greatly from dyno-to-dyno and car-to-car. 1/8 mile's are okay, cool to have but not really the standard like 1/4mi are, and 20-55mph test, I could care less. Not that improvements aren't cool but it's nearly impossible to have any 100% accurate data. You said it yourself, you are measuring it with your phone. What if you don't hit the start/stop button EXACTLY at the right time down to the .x or .0x second? Then what about the fact that the speedometer is not 100% accurate? Then what if the road you're on isn't perfectly flat? There are just too many variables to get good data. That's why the V8 S4 community has gone to Quarter Mile times as the basis to test by. Other than altitude and temperature the everyone has a pretty even playing field. Yes some drivers are better than others, but with the same driver it's a great way to see the progress you are making as you add mods.

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    I think what the OP is doing is admirable, this is the first time in what 10 years that a tuning company and other members are looking into getting more from a 3.0. It is not as easy as slapping on bigger injectors or changing the turbo to get more power. A few of us here know what the proven formula is for more power in the 3.0 and that is great.

    But how do we know if there isn't something different out there that could be better. With out people like the op trying different things, we can learn from his mistakes.

    I am surprised OP that you are not running a filter, you mentioned that some other cars work better with aftermarket intakes, but how many of these cars run with out a filter?

    With the design of you intake, you have the right idea for keeping it smooth piping, but a car needs cool air to most effective. By the looks of it you have it coming from the wheel well intake, that is not going to be very cool as you have all the hot air coming from the brakes and tyre's. I think if you are going to continue with that design you need to find a way to get the cool air from the front of the car, down by the fog light might be a good place to start if you want something different.
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    Got some 1" spacers for the rear tires, i did a test fit on the front wheels and it kicked them out beyond the fenders lol not cool, so i spaced out the rear tires and they kicked out right to the edge of the fender, it came out ok but my car is still jacked up in the air so its got a hot rod look with some stagger to it IDK the look will come around when i decide to improve the suspension latr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spinall4 View Post
    This thread is such crap, you are DESTROYING Your nice Audi, sell it and buy a civic. Please...

    You did not make 30 more whp on the same dyno with your shitty mods... And if you really made 30+ Awhp you would not be running the same track times!
    i guess i am just a crappy driver as you can tell by my 60fts...and i lost 30awtq so the car is sluggish coming off the line, i have never owned an Audi before and never an AWD car so i still need to learn to launch etc...however i did gain 3.8mph over stock in the 1/8th mile so that should count for something
    2002 A4 3.0 V6-6speed converted to FWD
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    10.369 @67mph, 1/8th mile
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