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    A4 B8 facelift 2012

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    I searched for this subject, but, since didn´t find anything decided to open this one.

    This is the official new B8 which I understand is already selling and delivering in Europe:

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    Which one wins?

    There will be updates on the navigation systems which would be identical in functionality as the ones on C7 A6´s
    Now, going to the tech. There are little updates on the TDI engines, but big differences on the gasoline engines. To start, the new 1.8TFSI (which old version was never sold in the US) received major revision, here is:


    Official press release from Audi itself:

    "Innovation engine: The new 1.8 TFSI

    - Ample power and minimal consumption: 125 kW (170 hp) and
    320 Nm (236.02 lb-ft) torque, but just 5.7 liters per 100 km (41.27 US mpg)

    - New solutions in fuel injection and other fields of technology

    - Fully electronic coolant regulation system

    The engines in the updated A5 family set new standards for sportiness and efficiency. Even the base engine, the completely redesigned 1.8 TFSI, showcases the full extent of Audi's technological competence. The engineers have developed innovative solutions in numerous fields of technology to achieve surprisingly strong performance with minimal fuel consumption.

    The high-end four-cylinder engine displaces 1,798 cm3 and delivers a brawny and constant 320 Nm (236.02 lb-ft) to the crankshaft between 1,400 and 3,700 rpm. Peak output of 125 kW (170 hp) is achieved at 3,800 rpm. With a manual transmission, the 1.8 TFSI accelerates the Audi A5 Coupé from zero to 100 km/h (62.14 mph) in 7.9 seconds on its way to a top speed of 230 km/h (142.92 mph). Despite all this power, it consumes just 5.7 liters of fuel per 100 km (41.27 US mpg) on average, which corresponds to best-in-segment emissions of 134 grams of CO2/km (215.65 g/mile). Consumption has been reduced by 21 percent compared with the previous model engine.

    Combustion behavior was a particular focus of the development work. In addition to FSI direct injection, the 1.8 TFSI also uses indirect injection. This system injects the fuel at the end of the intake manifold near the tumble valves, where it is swirled intensively with the air. Indirect injection is used in the part-load range. It reduces fuel consumption and particulate emissions to such an extent that the four-cylinder engine already complies with the limits of the future Euro 6 standard, which does not enter into force until 2015.

    The rail pressure of the FSI system has been increased from 150 to 200 bar. The direct injection system is active when starting off and at higher loads. It can perform two or three individual injection operations per work cycle. To further optimize gas exchange, the valve control system has been given greater operating freedom. The Audi valvelift system, which adjusts the lift of the valves in two stages, is active on the exhaust side. The two camshafts can be adjusted through 30 or 60 degrees of crankshaft angle.

    Fully electronic coolant regulation system
    The innovative thermal management of the four-cylinder engine features a new fully electronic coolant regulation system. Two fast-switching, rotating cores, which are consolidated in a module and driven by an electric motor via a screw drive, control the flow of coolant. One of their primary objectives is to bring the motor oil up to operating temperature as quickly as possible following a cold start. This is done by keeping the coolant in the crankcase for a relatively long time. The cabin heating runs off of a separate loop in the cylinder head. The main radiator, which dissipates the heat to the environment, does not come into play until the latest possible moment.

    The new rotating core module can set the water temperature between 85 and 107 degrees Celsius as a function of load and rpm to always achieve the best compromise between minimal internal friction and thermodynamic efficiency. Switchable valves throughout the cooling system manage heat flows between the engine, the heat exchanger for the transmission and the cabin. All together, the thermal management system reduces the CO2 emissions of the 1.8 TFSI by around 2.5 g per 100 km (4.02 g/mile).

    This concept benefited from the integration of the exhaust manifold into the water-cooled cylinder head. Because this also reduces the exhaust gas temperature, it is not necessary with the 1.8 TFSI to enrich the mixture at full load, which reduces fuel consumption significantly when driving sportily.

    The turbocharger in the 1.8 TFSI is also an all-new design that develops the high relative boost pressure of up to 1.3 bar very systematically. Key features include a turbine wheel made from a new alloy that can withstand exhaust temperatures of up to 980 degrees Celsius, the oxygen sensor mounted directly upstream of the turbine wheel, a pulsation damper, a compressor wheel machined from a solid blank and an electric wastegate actuator that adjusts the boost pressure particularly quickly and precisely to further reduce fuel consumption.

    Engine weight has been reduced from 135 to 131.5 kilograms (297.62 to 289.91 lb). The new turbocharger/cylinder head module, a new casting process for the gray cast iron crankcase that reduces wall thickness to roughly three millimeters (0.12 in) and the crankshaft with four rather than eight counterweights and reduced main bearing diameters all contributed to this weight reduction. The pistons are made of new, high-strength alloy. Lightweight polymers are used for the oil pan, and many screws are made of aluminum.

    Internal friction has also been drastically reduced by the use of an innovative coating on the piston skirts and by mounting the two balance shafts that counteract the second-order inertial forces in roller bearings. The regulated oil pump requires little energy itself, and the oil-jet cooling for the piston heads is controlled via a high-precision electric system."


    Now... there seems to be a revision for the 2.0 TFSI, because if you take a look to this official site from Spain, you will find what I think are huge differences in fuel consumption over the current 2.0 line up:

    http://configurator.audi.es/controll...andant=accx-es

    As a reference example A4 2.0T multitronic used to have combined consumption of 7.1l/100km, which is 33mpg, but now (as you can see there) shows 6.0 which means amazing 39mpg. Can somebody check if this means that the new 1.8TFSI showed above has a new big brother?

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    Facelift is 2013, not 2012. In North America, these won't be shipping to dealers until May 2012 AFAIK. The 1.8T won't even make it to our shores so you may be asking in the wrong forum. Maybe try the regional forums for Europe or South America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crucible35 View Post
    Facelift is 2013, not 2012. In North America, these won't be shipping to dealers until May 2012 AFAIK. The 1.8T won't even make it to our shores so you may be asking in the wrong forum. Maybe try the regional forums for Europe or South America.
    Yes, but did you see the 2.0 TFSI numbers? What this suggest is that maybe the new 2.0TFSI is based on the new 1.8TFSI... with all those technologies in effect...
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    The fogs are the worst part. The same as the Jetta as far as I can see. Both look like total crap. The rest is minimal and overall good to me.

    The info above is good. Maybe Blake or MWips can merge it into the 2013 facelift thread.

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    Would be nice to have this better turbo in the facelift.
    Still not sold on the front-end.
    The rear lights look nicer though for sure.

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    I kinda liked the facelift pics until seeing this video. very neutered. I think it's the new grilles that bug me most.

    It's funny but I really disliked the b7/b8 grilles in pics when I first saw them but loved the overall B8 look after seeing them in person; I've had just the opposite effect with the new models/grilles so far... staring at the new A6s at the dealer - the diamond cut shape just doesn't look right to me in person. maybe it'll grow on me.

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    I think i spotted the facelift A4 B8 avant today in my town (Knokke - Belgium). First i thought it was a facelifted A5 but when it passed me at the lights i noticed it was an avant with the led 'bar' tail lights. No badges and no dealers plate but a brand new license plate '1 -B.. -... in silver paint.
    Only saw it for a short moment with lots of traffic but i must admite it looks nice, although the foglights are a fail imho.
    Tail lights looks very good :) .
    Sorry, no pics of it :( .
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    OP, there have been many posts re the 'uplift' - all say next year in NA - hello.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Nelson View Post
    OP, there have been many posts re the 'uplift' - all say next year in NA - hello.
    No contribution, misinformation
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    Please pay attention carefully. This post is to show that there seems to be a new upgrade to the 2.0 engine, since Audi Europe is showing 6.0L/100km average, which means 16% less than was known to have the existing 211hp. Even that in US is going out as 2013 in the ROW is going to be a 2012. At least is what they promise here. It is interesting to find out if the new 2.0T engine is going to be bigger version of the wonderful 1.8 170hp presented here.
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    Do you think still is no contribution?? For you is the same 16% less fuel?

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    I think what he's saying is you may have wanted to add it to the already existing thread on the B8 Refresh.

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    I got curious as well. German Audi site shows the following fuel economy numbers for 2.0 TFSI 6 Speed Manual Quattro:

    8,9 l/100 km - City
    5,6 l/100 km - Highway (42+ MPG!!!)
    6,8 l/100 km - Mixed

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    I was the one who posted the original refresh 2013 A4 thread :P And the improve mpg your referring to is because Audi made changes to the steering so it be more efficient. Same engine.

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    I heard the increase in mpg for the 2013 is due to the incorporation of start/stop engine tech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dasquade View Post
    I think i spotted the facelift A4 B8 avant today in my town (Knokke - Belgium). First i thought it was a facelifted A5 but when it passed me at the lights i noticed it was an avant with the led 'bar' tail lights. No badges and no dealers plate but a brand new license plate '1 -B.. -... in silver paint.
    Only saw it for a short moment with lots of traffic but i must admite it looks nice, although the foglights are a fail imho.
    Tail lights looks very good :) .
    Sorry, no pics of it :( .
    I was in Germany yesterday, where the dealer in Flensburg, had an A4 Avant in his parking lot.

    The license plate was from IN for Ingolstadt - but all car papers were in the car (on the passenger seat) - so I'd say it was an A4 for demo use.



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    Interesting, it has the 8x17 optional rims from the previous model...love them
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    meh kinda looks like mehhhh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okan509 View Post
    meh kinda looks like mehhhh
    +1

    Might just be the pics, as in other it looks ok, but on these the front bumper is horrible looks like it wasnt finsihed properly, or the guy who designed it had to leave early and said OK it's done.

    Even prefer the pre-facelift non S-line bumper to this, much more agressive.
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    Guys, this looks 90% like the cars we have now. This is barely a refresh. There is no point of even having a seperate discussion board for the B8.5.

    I think some of the guys talking trash here are upset because they are driving "the older model." I don't think you have anything to worry about until the B9 comes out.

    I bought my 2012 knowing full well the refresh was coming out and figured it would be minor and more in line with the new A6. And I was right.

    I saw my car being driven to me from the service garage yesterday and it still looks fantastic. i even muttered to myself "Damn that is a sexy car."

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    Quote Originally Posted by deepfried View Post
    Guys, this looks 90% like the cars we have now. This is barely a refresh. There is no point of even having a seperate discussion board for the B8.5.

    I think some of the guys talking trash here are upset because they are driving "the older model." I don't think you have anything to worry about until the B9 comes out.

    I bought my 2012 knowing full well the refresh was coming out and figured it would be minor and more in line with the new A6. And I was right.

    I saw my car being driven to me from the service garage yesterday and it still looks fantastic. i even muttered to myself "Damn that is a sexy car."
    Well then....please show us some pics of your 2012 with the "refresh"....oh wise one. I'm very happy that I have the "Older model" when I see images of the refresh. Some of us are just disappointed that we may have to suck up a bad facelift for our next Audi.
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    I think it looks great, but so do our current B8s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AudiBmw View Post
    I was the one who posted the original refresh 2013 A4 thread :P And the improve mpg your referring to is because Audi made changes to the steering so it be more efficient. Same engine.
    We were distracted by the pictures....

    facelift 2.0 S-tronic vs pre-facelift:
    8,8l/100km = 27MPG -vs- 21MPG
    5,8l/100km = 41MPG -vs- 29MPG
    7,0l/100km = 34MPG -vs- 24MPG

    facelift 3.0 S-tronic vs pre-facelift:
    10,7 = 22MPG -vs- 18MPG
    6,6 = 36MPG -vs- 28MPG
    8,1 = 29MPG -vs- 21MPG

    I find it hard to believe that "steering changes" would affect fuel economy. someone mentioned stop/start tech which makes sense but does that help a lot on highway driving too?
    Last edited by a4_bob; 12-30-2011 at 06:49 AM.

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    and now for more distracting pictures!

    standard body:


    s-line:

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    I think it looks better in sedan than avant for some reason.
    The all-road looks the best out of the refresh though.
    Body match the plastic parts and drop it 30mm, give it some 19x10 concave wheels and you will be stopping traffic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Crucible35 View Post
    Well then....please show us some pics of your 2012 with the "refresh"....oh wise one. I'm very happy that I have the "Older model" when I see images of the refresh. Some of us are just disappointed that we may have to suck up a bad facelift for our next Audi.
    I read his comment as saying he has the same pre-refresh model, despite not being in NA with a 2012 model...
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    Quote Originally Posted by maga4 View Post
    I read his comment as saying he has the same pre-refresh model, despite not being in NA with a 2012 model...
    Yes, you are right. Perhaps I wrote it wrong. I bought my non refresh 2012 in August of 2011.

    Either way, this refresh is VERY minor versus the car you can buy right now in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crucible35 View Post
    Well then....please show us some pics of your 2012 with the "refresh"....oh wise one. I'm very happy that I have the "Older model" when I see images of the refresh. Some of us are just disappointed that we may have to suck up a bad facelift for our next Audi.
    Or just wait until the B9. Surely we will survive until then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a4_bob View Post
    We were distracted by the pictures....

    facelift 2.0 S-tronic vs pre-facelift:
    8,8l/100km = 27MPG -vs- 21MPG
    5,8l/100km = 41MPG -vs- 29MPG
    7,0l/100km = 34MPG -vs- 24MPG

    facelift 3.0 S-tronic vs pre-facelift:
    10,7 = 22MPG -vs- 18MPG
    6,6 = 36MPG -vs- 28MPG
    8,1 = 29MPG -vs- 21MPG

    I find it hard to believe that "steering changes" would affect fuel economy. someone mentioned stop/start tech which makes sense but does that help a lot on highway driving too?
    100% agree!!...... For me, either they lie.... OR.... At least 2.0 will have some or all the technologies of the 1.8 presented here... same with the 3.0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by droppyale View Post
    I think it looks great, but so do our current B8s.
    I agree. I don't mind the new front-end. I like the aggressiveness of the headlights, but I don't find it a must-have over the B8. Unlike the compulsion I felt to go B7->B8. Understandable I guess being just a mid-cycle refresh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deepfried View Post
    I think some of the guys talking trash here are upset because they are driving "the older model." I don't think you have anything to worry about until the B9 comes out.
    Not sure if that's directed at me, but please dont get me wrong here, it's my personal opinion on those pics, other pics I do like it and I really like the headlights, but the bumper looks wrong to me, will have to see one in the "flesh" to see what I really think.
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