I should have listened... H&R Spacers

[turbello18]

After research some got vibration others didn't.... I bit the bullet and i'm one of the lucky winners. Bought 10MM all around for the RS and can't get the vibration to go away. Had the wheels off twice. re-balanced them and all that. then read a recommendation to torque them while in the air after you know everything's 100% clean. that helped but it still shakes a little and that's too much. Any other recommendations? I'm willing to take them off and put on one more time. Then I'm calling it $220 down the drain.

[VMRWheels]

Unlike what (for some reason) many people think, spacers will NOT reduce vibrations. The sole purpose of spacers is to reduce the offset of your wheels. What kind of wheels and tires are you running?

[crabpot]

Unlike what (for some reason) many people think, spacers will NOT reduce vibrations. The sole purpose of spacers is to reduce the offset of your wheels. What kind of wheels and tires are you running?

He's saying the vibration is a result of the spacers ...
They probably aren't hubcentric, is my guess. If they aren't and they aren't perfectly centered ... you'll get a vibration like that.

[turbello18]

^ what he says. no vibration before, vibration after between 60 and 80mph. H&R's are hub centric, i bought the longer bolts as well. at a loss here.

[ModBargains II]

Do the spacers you bought have the 45degree tapered lip at the bottom of the hub?
Make sure the wheels you are trying to use the spacers with can accept that tapered lip.
Also, make sure you didnt get the wrong length hub on the spacer, and the wheel is able to sit fully on the hub.

Those are the only two reasons I could think of that would cause vibrating.

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[CHECKERED]

They probably aren't hubcentric, is my guess.

H&R used to make non hub-centric spacers, it looks like they finally got a clue and switched, but apparently they are still off…lol
Turbello, go with ECS i never had a problem with them

[WinterRunner]

If you want the besrt RS4 spacers, buy MTM spacers.

[turbello18]

Thanks for the input guys. Checkered, i bought the HR's from ECS. Running stock wheels too. I've heard the MTM's are legit but they seem impossible to find. Below are what i ordered. Anyone else got the same one's and running smooth?

H&R DR Series Wheel Spacers - 10mm (1 Pair) ES#1874144
H&R VW / Audi wheel spacers made for OEM wheels only
2055571A 2 $74.10 $148.20
Ball Seat 14x1.5x35mm Wheel Bolt - Priced Each ES#2130069
Don't damage your vehicle, get new bolts for your new wheel spacers
S17D36 20 $2.79 $55.80

[noznab]

If you want the besrt RS4 spacers, buy MTM spacers.

lolwut? Spacers are spacers. As long as they're hub centric you shouldn't have any vibration problems.

[novtec1]

got H&R's on my RS and no vibrations or issues what so ever.....

[turbello18]

^ do anything special when installing.

[pierl]

got H&R's on my RS and no vibrations or issues what so ever.....

same here.. no issues

[B6JoeS4]

Why do RS4 guys love MTM spacers so much?

[crabpot]

lolwut? Spacers are spacers. As long as they're hub centric you shouldn't have any vibration problems.

Exactly.

I did have some 8MM H&R non-hubcentric spacers on my MK5, and I only had them on in the rear and they vibrated. It was obnoxious. It's even worse if you put them on the fronts.

[karsty]

H&R hubcentric 10mm spacers with extended lugs on my RS4. Not a single vibration or fitment issue.

[RAudi Driver]

Turbello, don't listen to any of the naysayers. I'll explain to you why your H&R's vibrate and MTM's don't. I'll even send you the video I made of the issue. H&R's are hubcentric but they missed the mark by a tiny bit.

Take your wheel off. Place the spacer on the rear of the wheel and jiggle it. You can tell that, although they are hubcentric with a 45 degree pitch and a 7mm rise, you can still move them a tiny tiny bit while they are on the wheel. That is where the problem arises. I've got a video that compares MTM and H&R side by side. I'll pm it to you tomorrow night. Stay tuned.

[martianbooby]

i guess im glad i went with these spacers:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Bille...item5199b29e0a

they are 20mm hubcentric , came with long bolts, and i have no shaking what so ever.

[CHECKERED]

Checkered, i bought the HR's from ECS.

I meant ECS brand spacers

Why do RS4 guys love MTM spacers so much?

because RS4 guys are elitist and want to pay $300 for spacers that are otherwise $90

[WinterRunner]

THe H&R spacers dont extend to the end of the hub, as Ed said before me. IF you want MTM's contact Joe Hoppen, they are authorized US distributers of MTM.

You get what you pay for (usually), and considering spacers/lugs are the only thing between your car and it's wheels, I prefer not to cut corners in that department. Plus... we are elitists ;)

[WerkzRS]

Im running ECS brand spacers and no vibrations at all! I was a bit skeptical of H&Rs since so many have had this issue in the past......But one thing is for sure if they are off by just a little in the manufacturing process and got through quality control then that is where the issue lies. Unevenly distributed material being rotated at high speeds will infact cause "unbalancing" on your balanced wheels causing vibrations no matter what you do. What you should do is, try another set of spacers up front...process of elimination. GL

[NY07RS4]

Running the MTM's with no issues. If that classifies me as an elitists I'm sold.

[RS4POWER]

Running the MTM's with no issues. If that classifies me as an elitists I'm sold.

Not as much as the Tubi..

[BenSti]

Is anybody worried about the additional loads on the wheel bearings. Using spacers makes these loads higher. I am wondering if this can damage bearings?

FWIW, my car had spacers on it when I bought it, hub centric with new studs, vibrated badly at high speeds.

[turbello18]

Appreciate it RAudi. I noticed the gap on the wheels last time they went in. I read a thread where someone put some silicone in between to fill the gap. I may give that a shot.

If not, maybe Hoppen can set up a trade-in program for those that bought the H&R's. I'm sure ECS and H&R would love that.

[RAudi Driver]

Im running ECS brand spacers and no vibrations at all! I was a bit skeptical of H&Rs since so many have had this issue in the past......But one thing is for sure if they are off by just a little in the manufacturing process and got through quality control then that is where the issue lies. Unevenly distributed material being rotated at high speeds will infact cause "unbalancing" on your balanced wheels causing vibrations no matter what you do. What you should do is, try another set of spacers up front...process of elimination. GL

That's not the problem with the H&R's. I'll post up why they vibrate in a few minutes.

i guess im glad i went with these spacers:



they are 20mm hubcentric , came with long bolts, and i have no shaking

The hubs on these spacers are going to shear off in a while. By design, they aren't going to hold up to rigors that a spacer is put through.

I meant ECS brand spacers
because RS4 guys are elitist and want to pay $300 for spacers that are otherwise $90

Keep in mind that the MTM spacers cost no more than a set of H&R's. The H&R's will run about $200 for a set of 4 and that's not including the bolts. You add in another $100 for bolts and you are up to $300. THe MTM's are $320 for the set of 4 and the bolts are included. In addition, the MTM bolts are 2 piece, like the stockers and don't damage your wheels. The ones from H&R are only 1 piece bolts. MTM's are a way better deal.

THe H&R spacers dont extend to the end of the hub, as Ed said before me.

WR, that's not what I was saying.

Both H&R and MTM's:

Are hubcentric.

Have a 45 degree angle and a 7mm rise. You would be hard pressed to find any visual differences between the two. There is a slight difference in the 45 degree angle between the two but other than that they look identical. Here is where the difference lies....


CLick on Picture for video

[NY07RS4]

Not as much as the Tubi..

lol - hey, you're the one ballin' with the euro seats, advan wheels, flip flopp'n from Capristo to MTM exhaust...just sayin

[karsty]

RAudi, repost those pics.

[turbello18]

There's a sweet set of spacers in the classifieds! ;) Hey, looks like you have a 50/50 shot they'll work without vibration....

[RAudi Driver]

RAudi, repost those pics.

It was only the video. That link was for the video but it didn't work. I forgot to delete it.