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    Stage II Review (and smell)

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    I recently had the pleasure of finally going full Stage II after months of waiting and driving my car with wanna-be Stage II parts installed (HFC and intake). I'll start by saying that Stage II is incredible and is still surprising me with how much power my car has on tap. Every gear has torque for days (maybe not gears 7 & 8), and it pulls so strong completely through the power band. I've been able to race a couple of cars for comparison's sake with interesting results, but I'll get to that later.

    So the power is great, but how about daily driving? Well, when not on the power maybe about half-throttle the driving characteristics are no different than stock. No surging or hesitations, just smooth sailing. When at about 3/4 throttle, it seems that the ECU isn't sure weather to give you full boost or not, which feels like a slight surge then release (happens in less than a second). Still not very noticeable and is easy to avoid once you know where in the throttle range it occurs.

    Gas mileage is actually the same as stock if not slightly better! Now, that statement is heavily dependant on if you driving the car the same as you would with your car in stock form. Believe me, the first two weeks with the software did not help the environment whatsoever! Driving WOT almost everywhere was only getting me 240-260 miles per tank. After the romance settled and I dialed it back, I realized my mileage hadn't changed at all. I even "tried" driving much more conservatively to see if I could get a tank to 300 miles. No such luck. I had a hunch that my intake was robbing some of my MPG's so I swapped back to stock to compare and noticed a significant increase. I am now averaging 360 miles with my normal driving cycle, being aggressive when the time calls and cruising at others. I even achieved over 420 miles out of my tank on mostly HWY trip from Tampa to Melbourne and back, mostly cruising but still finding some areas to open it up.

    If there is one area that I will complain, it would be the smell. I am fully aware that having a high-flow catalytic converter that is probably as efficient at cleaning my exhaust gases as a tube sock would lead to a more noticeable smell. However, it is not the smell outside of the car that I am noticing. I can fully deal with a smelly tail pipe if I am standing behind my car when at idle, which is slim to never. My issue is I can actually smell it when inside the car and driving at interstate speeds. I'm talking windows up, sunroof closed, AC on recirc. mode, passenger compartment sealed shut! I've done my due diligence and tried diagnosing any possible leak to no avail. My cat (which is the only modification to the exhaust system) is not leaking on either end. My recirc door which is clearly visible with the hood open is closed and sealed properly. I've even accessed the flow-through flaps in the rear of the car (the two sealing flaps on the rear corner of most cars, found behind our trunk access panels) and duct-taped them off. My theory was that when driving, the exhaust gases were whirling around the rear bumper area and making their way into the trunk via the flow-through flaps, hence taping them closed. But after driving the car since, I can still smell the fumes.

    I actually think that the smell doesn't have anything to do with the HFC or the software for the following reason. The fact is that there are exhaust gasses entering the cabin. HFC or not, this should not be happening when the car is sealed off (windows up and recirc on). Even with a stock cat, there are still gasses exiting the tailpipe, so in my case, I would still have some form of "5-gas" entering my car. I will continue playing with it and see if I can get something sealed off so I won't have to keep driving around with my sunroof vented (sucks the gases out of the cabin). Oddly enough, I can smell them a lot more up near the headliner than down lower, my GF is 5'3'' and never smells it!
    So if any other Stage II owners have any advise or opinions to the smell (interior), I am all ears!

    Back to the power! I have a co-worker with an A5 that had his STG I installed the same day as my STG II, so naturally, we raced. I have a pretty solid race setup that I use to get accurate comparison results, as follows. First, I call my opponent using my Bluetooth for safe, hands-free talking as to not distract me from anything. We then enter the highway and wait for a safe gap in traffic. Once we have some room to run, we both shift into the same gear for a start @ around 50mph. Keep in mind that this is a roll-on, so Auto's need to use Tiptronic to avoid the Kickdown function. Once you're both in the same gear/speed the countdown begins and you roll away. In my case, we raced 4 times with identical results. My A4 pulled about 2 car lengths from 50-100ish, which surprised both of us. Luckily, he had some friends with G35/G37's and beat them pretty handily, restoring his confidence!

    My next race came in the form of an E46 M3 with at least an exhaust modification. He was a stranger I found on the way home so I'm not sure what he had modified, but def aftermarket muffler and lowered. Either way, we accomplished a running start from 45 up through 100 and he was not able to pull on me in the slightest! I think I might have embarrassed him in front of his lady because he was very opposed to the idea of repeating the run, apparent in his actions of catching up with traffic and not letting me get beside him! I am very confident that my car would have had a huge advantage off the line up to the higher speeds but our cars seem to run out of that furious torquey feel by the 100 mph mark, so I think he would have had the top speed advantage. Either way, I was very satisfied that my car was neck and neck with an M car!

    Oh, and I also ruined a $140k+ Maserati from a launch..... no big deal!

    All in all, I am loving every second in my car and can't picture driving without it. Anyone that is on the fence of "Is it worth it?", the answer is hands-down yes! The sooner you save up and get it installed, the sooner you will be thanking yourself on a daily basis for this relatively inexpensive upgrade! We should also be thankful, as other cars can require you to spend thousands of dollars to get results less than ours, whereas Audi and our amazing network of tuners have given us potent engines and tuning programs that allow us to turn our relatively mild A4's into some very surprising machines!

    Thank you to those who have spent your afternoon reading this and please feel free to comment and compare!
    Cheers and safe motoring!

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    so what kind of parts do you have added ? and how much hp? sorry im new to the audi side!

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    Revo STG II software and Eurocode HFC, that's it!
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    Especially interested in the specs of the STAGE II intake and experiences with it. I assume we are talking about APR in general (stage II, if so what program?) and also APR carbonio intake?
    There have been lots of controdiction discussions about intakes (be it close boxed ones or open ones), but i hadn't seen fuel economy made a point. Please share more if you can :) for those still not convinced.
    Since you removed it (for now at least?) what inpack did it had on the preformence (low-mid-high-retakes etc...).
    *Are you selling your intake at those who don't really care about fuel economy as they bought a too low preforming engine to start with :d ?

    No clue on the smell thoug sorry.

    EDIT: Oeps was still typing after you posted Revo stage 2. Still wondering about the intake specs.
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    I have the APR stage 2+ program on my avant. The hfc is not suppose to smell. I have a testpipe and that I can tell you now that smells. But when I have the windows up and ac on there is no smell in the cabin of the car. Only when I have the windows down and in a standstill that's when I smells really bad. It was so bad that my wife was complaining that she was getting dizzy cause of the fume smell, I was going to swap it out with the hfc but after I installed an catback exhaust system that helped out a lot with the smell. Now I hardly smell any fumes at all. You should take it back to the shop that installed your hfc. There should be no smell entering the cabin when the windows are up.

    I agree with you on the power now the avant pulls like no other. But every time I drive the 3.2 it feels faster for some reason, I guess its the sweet sound of that v6 engine. So tried it out against my my buddies 3.2 TT. From a complete standstill I launched like 2 cars ahead of him. He was able to catch up and I had a 1 car lead. Man that's when I felt that my car was fast! Best thing I ever did to this car is to go stage 2+! I had my stage 2+ done at eurocode and I can tell you that these guys are awesome. Im just saving up to get there intercooler and then I can really be in business

    Welcome to the club! I must warn you this gets addicting. It doesn't stop at stage 2. Now you can see the potential of our 2.0 engine and your going to want more!
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    Nice write up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dasquade View Post
    Especially interested in the specs of the STAGE II intake and experiences with it. I assume we are talking about APR in general (stage II, if so what program?) and also APR carbonio intake?
    There have been lots of controdiction discussions about intakes (be it close boxed ones or open ones), but i hadn't seen fuel economy made a point. Please share more if you can :) for those still not convinced.
    Since you removed it (for now at least?) what inpack did it had on the preformence (low-mid-high-retakes etc...).
    *Are you selling your intake at those who don't really care about fuel economy as they bought a too low preforming engine to start with :d ?

    No clue on the smell thoug sorry.

    EDIT: Oeps was still typing after you posted Revo stage 2. Still wondering about the intake specs.
    I went with the Injen cold air intake that routes the filter down and away from the engine bay, behind the passenger foglight. I loved the intake, it made great power that I felt directly between the cheeks (butt dyno) and was a great price. It was a super easy install (I had it in in about a half hour), fitment was perfect, power was very noticable, looked killer in the engine bay (I bought the black one), and it brought out that sexy turbo spool! The ONLY reason I removed it was for MPG's, so if you are not concerned with that aspect, it is a must buy! The power was instant with virtually no lag (compared to stock, which is minimal anyways) and it made the car feel much more urgent to get moving. I never dyno'd my car, but Injen's claims of mid teen's for HP and TQ felt dead on! If I didn't put as many miles on my car, I would never consider removing it.

    I am planning on selling it eventually, I just haven't had the chance to post it yet.
    If anyone is interested in it, let me know and I'll get my lazy ass around to selling it.

    Quote Originally Posted by blackavant View Post
    I have the APR stage 2+ program on my avant. The hfc is not suppose to smell. I have a testpipe and that I can tell you now that smells. But when I have the windows up and ac on there is no smell in the cabin of the car. Only when I have the windows down and in a standstill that's when I smells really bad. It was so bad that my wife was complaining that she was getting dizzy cause of the fume smell, I was going to swap it out with the hfc but after I installed an catback exhaust system that helped out a lot with the smell. Now I hardly smell any fumes at all. You should take it back to the shop that installed your hfc. There should be no smell entering the cabin when the windows are up.

    I agree with you on the power now the avant pulls like no other. But every time I drive the 3.2 it feels faster for some reason, I guess its the sweet sound of that v6 engine. So tried it out against my my buddies 3.2 TT. From a complete standstill I launched like 2 cars ahead of him. He was able to catch up and I had a 1 car lead. Man that's when I felt that my car was fast! Best thing I ever did to this car is to go stage 2+! I had my stage 2+ done at eurocode and I can tell you that these guys are awesome. Im just saving up to get there intercooler and then I can really be in business

    Welcome to the club! I must warn you this gets addicting. It doesn't stop at stage 2. Now you can see the potential of our 2.0 engine and your going to want more!
    Quote Originally Posted by k9lovr View Post
    Nice write up
    I was a Master Audi Tech for 6 years, so I do all of my installs. I used brand new gaskets and hardware so I'm fairly certain the car isn't leaking. Besides if you've ever heard an exhaust leak that close to the manifold, it's a no-brainer! I've done several Stage II installs for other customer's in the past and you can always smell the fumes more than stock, and test pipe's make my eyes bleed!

    I work at Audi Tampa, and our in-house Motorsports Department does all of our software. They do an incredible job and stand by their work. Plus, it helps that they know our cars inside and out!
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    so how much for the intake?? also i mean the mpg, it was really bad due to not being tuned yet or is it just all intakes take a beating on our mpgs??? im intrested in getting an intake soon but if its gonna kill the mpg really bad i think its something i can hold off on till i get it tuned if i need to ! i just really want that loud spool:(

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    Hm, still don't understand how the Injen cold air intake, due to it position inside the engine bay with no direct fresh air, can do a good job. Or do you run without foggrill, now option on my car not even sure if i have the room to install it (custom airducts to brakes there). Please help me understand and sorry to go offtopic.
    EDIT: Nevermind, just found a picture of where exactly it is located when installed. Not possible with my airducts...
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    what are the numbers for Revo Stage II? Is their stage II works on A5 2.0T too?
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    im deciding between revo or apr stage 1. i know apr is doing a sale though.

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    I am APR Stage II starting with the Carbino Intake, through the Turbo Back'd Quads all the way back. The power gains are incredible, especially all the way from launch into 6K+. The car just plain flies and is unbelieveable! I do have a very slight increased smell, but not a bad one at all. Keep in mind my system has only been fully complete now for about 1 week, so I expect as it breaks in things will settle down with smells and a consistent sound out of the quads.

    Plus, with an APR sale on right now you'd be nuts not to go this route!

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    check the upper portion (flange closer towards the motor) of the your HFC. after installation and driving around a few days, you should re-torque all the bolts because they probably backed out a little after the metal expanding/contracting.

    i do not have any unburnt fuel smells in cabin and i can only smell it (slightly) when i stand behind my car

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmjmrq View Post
    what are the numbers for Revo Stage II? Is their stage II works on A5 2.0T too?
    Revo tends to run a more agressive tune than other companies, as I experienced in my '08 B7. They haven't published the actual numbers yet (at lease none that I have seen), but I would imagine they are probably in the same ballpark as other tuners. They can write just about any tune, so if you have an A5 and looking for STG II they will have it.

    I actually ran APR's STG II software for about a month before Revo released their tune. I had the Revo installed over the APR only because I had such a great experience with Revo on my last A4. The APR was great but the Revo does feel slightly stronger, almost like it feels more urgent to get moving. You really can't go wrong with either rune, I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TofuShop View Post
    check the upper portion (flange closer towards the motor) of the your HFC. after installation and driving around a few days, you should re-torque all the bolts because they probably backed out a little after the metal expanding/contracting.

    i do not have any unburnt fuel smells in cabin and i can only smell it (slightly) when i stand behind my car
    The weird thing is that I actually ran my car with the cat and intake installed (no software) for about 2 months waiting for the APR tune and didn't smell anything abnormal inside the car. I started smelling the fumes inside the car, literally, the day the software was installed. My first thought was that the ECU Plenum cover might have caught the edge of it's seal upon reinstallation, and allowing fumes inside. After a quick removal of the cover I could see that it was securely installed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenzH8R View Post
    The weird thing is that I actually ran my car with the cat and intake installed (no software) for about 2 months waiting for the APR tune and didn't smell anything abnormal inside the car. I started smelling the fumes inside the car, literally, the day the software was installed. My first thought was that the ECU Plenum cover might have caught the edge of it's seal upon reinstallation, and allowing fumes inside. After a quick removal of the cover I could see that it was securely installed.
    I noticed a smell right after I first got the APR tune installed. It went away after a short period of time. I wonder if it is from higher turbo exhaust temps created by the boost gains. When I had Stage II done there was no difference. I once had a testpipe and it smelled. The HFC I have now works wonders and I smell no exhaust at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenzH8R View Post
    The APR was great but the Revo does feel slightly stronger, almost like it feels more urgent to get moving.
    APR is known not for its power but more its power delivery and smoothness. FYI, compared with other tuners APR software shows the least gains.
    What are some of the major differences in driving characteristics between Revo and APR?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wah View Post
    APR is known not for its power but more its power delivery and smoothness. FYI, compared with other tuners APR software shows the least gains.
    What are some of the major differences in driving characteristics between Revo and APR?
    I honestly can't say that one tune drives much better than the other. I do mostly HWY driving so I don't feel many areas where drivability would be a concern. However, around town the Revo still drives great for my comfort level. The power delivery is much more noticable than any ride quality, and that isn't even a big difference. Both are great tunes, one is just slightly stronger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenzH8R View Post
    If there is one area that I will complain, it would be the smell. I am fully aware that having a high-flow catalytic converter that is probably as efficient at cleaning my exhaust gases as a tube sock would lead to a more noticeable smell. However, it is not the smell outside of the car that I am noticing. I can fully deal with a smelly tail pipe if I am standing behind my car when at idle, which is slim to never. My issue is I can actually smell it when inside the car and driving at interstate speeds. I'm talking windows up, sunroof closed, AC on recirc. mode, passenger compartment sealed shut! I've done my due diligence and tried diagnosing any possible leak to no avail. My cat (which is the only modification to the exhaust system) is not leaking on either end. My recirc door which is clearly visible with the hood open is closed and sealed properly. I've even accessed the flow-through flaps in the rear of the car (the two sealing flaps on the rear corner of most cars, found behind our trunk access panels) and duct-taped them off. My theory was that when driving, the exhaust gases were whirling around the rear bumper area and making their way into the trunk via the flow-through flaps, hence taping them closed. But after driving the car since, I can still smell the fumes.

    I actually think that the smell doesn't have anything to do with the HFC or the software for the following reason. The fact is that there are exhaust gasses entering the cabin. HFC or not, this should not be happening when the car is sealed off (windows up and recirc on). Even with a stock cat, there are still gasses exiting the tailpipe, so in my case, I would still have some form of "5-gas" entering my car. I will continue playing with it and see if I can get something sealed off so I won't have to keep driving around with my sunroof vented (sucks the gases out of the cabin). Oddly enough, I can smell them a lot more up near the headliner than down lower, my GF is 5'3'' and never smells it!
    So if any other Stage II owners have any advise or opinions to the smell (interior), I am all ears!
    Did you find the source of the smell? I'm getting a bit of what I think is Carbon Monoxide into the cabin when it's sealed up too. Not so bad when the windows and roof are open.
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    Great write up. You definitely have a problem with your install or fit if you can smell something. I've been APR Stage II for months now with the full turbo back and I don't smell a thing.

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    it looks like the OP isn't very active on here....too bad....I would have liked to know what version of the APR StageII tune (the "1.5" which was called Stg2 or the latest real Stg2) he was running before he switched to Revo Stg2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander1010 View Post
    Great write up. You definitely have a problem with your install or fit if you can smell something. I've been APR Stage II for months now with the full turbo back and I don't smell a thing.
    I have the same set up with no smell after a short break in period. I also have the APR Carbonio intake, EuroCode HFIP and 034 High Flow Silicone Turbo inlet hose.
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    Has anyone else with the Eurocode HFC had problems with smell? Just based on this thread, it seems the APR one doesn't suffer from the smell where he Eurocode one may. I know there is a thread about smell in general for HFCs and test pipes somewhere, but asking here based on the previous posts.

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    Smell: I have the eurocode hfc and can smell it if I try. That is, it's never choked anyone out but if you're in a confined space and try to smell it, you can. If I'm outside or even in a confined space but not sniffing for exhaust smell, I won't notice it.

    Power: I've done my power mods incrementally over time. First APR stage1 - great fun w/ low end torque but the top end was still disappointingly a 4-banger powerwise. Later came the HFC - finally some more power and slightly sportier sound w/ stock exhaust; the drive felt more like a 6-cylinder. Lastly Stage2 tune - not a lot more power & torque than stage1+HFC but it's all delivered much better; a surprisingly smooth refinement that gives the hfc just the right touch.

    Stage2 has been great for me as a fun daily driver. Good bang for the buck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maga4 View Post
    Has anyone else with the Eurocode HFC had problems with smell? Just based on this thread, it seems the APR one doesn't suffer from the smell where he Eurocode one may. I know there is a thread about smell in general for HFCs and test pipes somewhere, but asking here based on the previous posts.

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    After the initial break in of my HFC which was Ceramic Coated, there was and is no smell per se. Back when I posted originally, the break in of the exhaust (a few dozen heat cycles) caused the middle exhaust clamp to loosen a little bit allowing exhaust to escape under the car. It was the Labor Day weekend and I couldn't get to the shop to get it fixed till the next week.

    All is good now and the only time I smell anything is when I'm loading groceries or walking around my car immediately after shut down. Not overpowering at all, just more than stock, since the HFC is letting more out.
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    just got my apr yesterday. i am impressed with it but all this talk with the revo is making me want to refund the tune and get the revo tune instead
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    Quote Originally Posted by a4_bob View Post
    Smell: I have the eurocode hfc and can smell it if I try. That is, it's never choked anyone out but if you're in a confined space and try to smell it, you can. If I'm outside or even in a confined space but not sniffing for exhaust smell, I won't notice it.

    Power: I've done my power mods incrementally over time. First APR stage1 - great fun w/ low end torque but the top end was still disappointingly a 4-banger powerwise. Later came the HFC - finally some more power and slightly sportier sound w/ stock exhaust; the drive felt more like a 6-cylinder. Lastly Stage2 tune - not a lot more power & torque than stage1+HFC but it's all delivered much better; a surprisingly smooth refinement that gives the hfc just the right touch.

    Stage2 has been great for me as a fun daily driver. Good bang for the buck.
    That's the way I an looking to do it, with the hfc and stage 2 tune in the near future. Sounds like it isn't much of a problem with the smell...if it was, would think might as well go ahead and do the test pipe. Sounds like no regrets, what I was looking to hear. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UmIsThisThingOn View Post
    After the initial break in of my HFC which was Ceramic Coated, there was and is no smell per se. Back when I posted originally, the break in of the exhaust (a few dozen heat cycles) caused the middle exhaust clamp to loosen a little bit allowing exhaust to escape under the car. It was the Labor Day weekend and I couldn't get to the shop to get it fixed till the next week.

    All is good now and the only time I smell anything is when I'm loading groceries or walking around my car immediately after shut down. Not overpowering at all, just more than stock, since the HFC is letting more out.
    That makes sense - the breaking in and letting more out than stock. I don't mind it if I'm walking around or in confined spots. Just don't want it inside the car with windows up while moving or even really at a stoplight. Thanks for sharing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maga4 View Post
    That makes sense - the breaking in and letting more out than stock. I don't mind it if I'm walking around or in confined spots. Just don't want it inside the car with windows up while moving or even really at a stoplight. Thanks for sharing.
    Yeah expect to re-tighten the HFC/testpipe shortly after install. I didn't realize that and drove around with a leak for a month or so but still never had exhaust smell inside the cabin.

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    Hey Guys, sorry I haven't responded in a while.

    I ordered a new S4 a few months ago and finally took delivery last month, so I have been spending less time on the A4 boards but I still check in from time to time.

    To answer some questions:

    I'm pretty sure the APR software was the full STG 2. I even had Arin at APR double check after a few days of driving because it didn't feel nearly as strong as I was expecting.

    As for the smell, I checked the HFC install a few times and found nothing wrong. Completely sealed and tightened. After doing some detective work, I found that my door seals were sagging on pretty much every door. So bad that I had heavy exhaust soot inside both of my rear door sills. I had the seals re-glued as per the TSB but nothing changed. Shortly after that I traded in my car. I know that this is happening on a few customers cars, even ones that are bone stock. Same symptoms, same conditions. My theory is that there is a sealing issue somewhere on the rear of the car that is allowing exhaust air to enter when in "Recirc" mode (doesn't happen when the fresh air blend door is open or the sunroof/window cracked.

    Hope this helps and def PM me if you have any other questions about the install, software, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenzH8R View Post
    ... As for the smell, I checked the HFC install a few times and found nothing wrong. Completely sealed and tightened. After doing some detective work, I found that my door seals were sagging on pretty much every door. So bad that I had heavy exhaust soot inside both of my rear door sills. I had the seals re-glued as per the TSB but nothing changed. Shortly after that I traded in my car. I know that this is happening on a few customers cars, even ones that are bone stock. Same symptoms, same conditions. My theory is that there is a sealing issue somewhere on the rear of the car that is allowing exhaust air to enter when in "Recirc" mode (doesn't happen when the fresh air blend door is open or the sunroof/window cracked.

    Hope this helps and def PM me if you have any other questions about the install, software, etc.

    Take care everyone and Happy Holidays!
    Thanks for the update. I hadn't heard about this issue before. Something else to keep an eye on.
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