Maestro 7 Tuning Suite

[Ravalous]

I just want to get some feed backs on this Eurodyne Maestro 7 Tuning Suite for S4's. I'm in the verge on selling my AWE Giac stage 3 Kit to get this setup that already has a stage 3 file on it making some good power.. I heard good things so far, but need to know how it is with K04's. Thanks in advance guys..

RK

[P0234]

Look up nefmoto, things are so far along that you'd be silly to pay for Maestro.

[Ravalous]

So, your saying don't get it?

[s2the4]

So, your saying don't get it?

Maestro is a very user friendly software, it's very easy to turn off emission related items (for track purposes only clearly) with the click of the mouse. It's not a bad setup but not as ideal as custom tune. Chris Tapp is in Ottawa might be worth a trip.

[Ravalous]

I have an opportunity to get this with the file already loaded for stage 3. Should I just tweak my setup?

[s2the4]

I have an opportunity to get this with the file already loaded for stage 3. Should I just tweak my setup?

If you are somewhat Tech savy and have the skills to properly tweak than go for it, you can always have Tapp dial it in.

[RONDAL]

this thread makes no sense.
you have someone that says go to nefmoto, and that its silly ot pay for the software?

you realize you cant tweak the maps or anything without BUYING the software first right?

maybe he's referring to PAYING for TUNING after you already have the software?

[Ravalous]

Hey guys, I'm only inquiring because, the guy already have a tune for my specific stage 3 application and he's throwing in all the necessary parts that came with the kit if I wish to tune my car myself. Everything is already paid for!!!

[mrpeterparker]

a friend of mine is running a k04 car + e85 on maestro.. so far so good.... just put down 479whp/500tq on the dyno last weekend

[Ravalous]

500whp? Damn that must be on some serious boost??

[mrpeterparker]

22.5 psi

[Evilevo]

a friend of mine is running a k04 car + e85 on maestro.. so far so good.... just put down 500whp on the dyno last weekend

High reading dyno's FTW

[UkuRiSh]

a friend of mine is running a k04 car + e85 on maestro.. so far so good.... just put down 500whp on the dyno last weekend

0.o prove it !

[M.S4]

a friend of mine is running a k04 car + e85 on maestro.. so far so good.... just put down 500whp on the dyno last weekend

it was like 479 on a mega high reading dyno.

get your eyes cleaned.

[S4James]

Chris tapp will not tune your car, or help you in any way other than taking your money.

[mrpeterparker]

Fucking mark

[jordon]

Fucking mark

Nice looking dyno- that AFR looks fantastic, as does the Torque curve!
But, I too think that this dyno is reading high... I mean, dynojet reads high anyway, but I think this dyno must be a good 50hp high! (unless, of course, these are actually rs6 k04s, in which case I guess the numbers are more believable)

[NOTORIOUS VR]

I love when people say Dynojet's read high... What are you basing this on? At least Dynojet's you can't fuck with... they measure HP and calculate TQ unlike other dynos...

They don't read high. They read what they read. If other dyno makes read lower, well then they read lower. It doesn't mean one is more correct then the other. But I've had only good results on a DynoJet dyno and all my results seem to be inline with my trap speeds.

BTW, as for that guys HP numbers... he isn't the first one to make that much power on E85 with PJK04's.

[mrpeterparker]

yeah, i'm interested in seeing what happens once he buys some real ICs. still on stock ones.

[julex]

Maestro is a all-in-one tuning software that will handle tuning, flashing and logging in one suite while going to nefmoto.com you will be using flasher/TunerPro/Checksum plugin/EcuX to accomplish the same. While Maestro will expose only a limited number of maps (albeit the most important one), there are no limits to that with TunerPro.

Both applications require the user to have A CLUE, there is no dial "left less power - right more power" on either one and even with Maestro you will still have to learn how to tune.

In my personal opinion, since I used both Maestro and TunerPro to tune my cars, Maestro is nice but falls short on educating the users what the maps are for and what the process is FOR THE PRICE YOU PAY FOR IT. It was a nice stepping stone for me though to get me started. Tuning is not that easy as some might thingk. Ironically you will end up going to nefmoto.com just to learn what the maps really do and then make changes to MAestro tune.

But, again, Maestro is all-in-one solution while nefmoto.com will require you to invest time lots of time and some money ($30 cable/TunePro Plugin + EcuX which is $250) to get going... On the other hand you get locked into one ECU with Maestro while you can tune gadzillion ECUs once you learn the ropes with nefmoto.com stuff.

[Ravalous]

Thanks Julex, I understand what your saying, I know you have had plenty experience with Maestro. I'll see how much I can learn with Maestro before I can start tuning away..

[RONDAL]

listen to julex. the guy knows his stuff and has been a HUGE help to me getting my car tuned.

[ThirdStrike]

Chris tapp will not tune your car, or help you in any way other than taking your money.

eh youre retarded

If you are somewhat Tech savy and have the skills to properly tweak than go for it, you can always have Tapp dial it in.

If you just buy a base file, yes, but pay the extra $100 for the Maestro suite then DIY.

Maestro is a all-in-one tuning software that will handle tuning, flashing and logging in one suite while going to nefmoto.com you will be using flasher/TunerPro/Checksum plugin/EcuX to accomplish the same. While Maestro will expose only a limited number of maps (albeit the most important one), there are no limits to that with TunerPro.

Both applications require the user to have A CLUE, there is no dial "left less power - right more power" on either one and even with Maestro you will still have to learn how to tune.

In my personal opinion, since I used both Maestro and TunerPro to tune my cars, Maestro is nice but falls short on educating the users what the maps are for and what the process is FOR THE PRICE YOU PAY FOR IT. It was a nice stepping stone for me though to get me started. Tuning is not that easy as some might thingk. Ironically you will end up going to nefmoto.com just to learn what the maps really do and then make changes to MAestro tune.

But, again, Maestro is all-in-one solution while nefmoto.com will require you to invest time lots of time and some money ($30 cable/TunePro Plugin + EcuX which is $250) to get going... On the other hand you get locked into one ECU with Maestro while you can tune gadzillion ECUs once you learn the ropes with nefmoto.com stuff.

This^

Im running ME7/Eurodyne. I love it. The assistance that the software provides when it comes to data logging is awesome, but you do need to know what you're doing.

Tapp&team usually send you a base file that's close to your setup. I.e. I have a 90mm maf with bosch 52#/60# injectors, and they sent me a siemens 60# 85mm file and I basically had to dial in my maps/maf scale to get it right.

I ended up with Eurodyne after trying to deal with a "custom" GIAC file that was supposed to work for my setup. :SMH: None of the other vendors seem to allow you to seamlessly modify maps in a much detail as Eurodyne without sending them your ecu plus log data. Furthermore I love how once purchased you can reflash for pretty much any setup you need - upgrade turbos? get a new base file and tweak until dialed in. for $900 I LOVE IT

[jibberjive]

Tapp&team usually send you a base file that's close to your setup.

I wonder how close their base file would be on the first try for my completely odd setup (HPX maf w/3.5" housing, 1000cc EV14's, 6 bar fuel pressure, E85, custom intake, etc ha)

[spokismB5S4]

Nice looking dyno- that AFR looks fantastic, as does the Torque curve!
But, I too think that this dyno is reading high... I mean, dynojet reads high anyway, but I think this dyno must be a good 50hp high! (unless, of course, these are actually rs6 k04s, in which case I guess the numbers are more believable)

e85 will produce numbers like this...

[S4James]

eh youre retarded



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Why the insults?

He will not tune your car, if you have any issues, he wont do much to help you. Ask my freind jerry who lives in the same town as Chris, who could not even get him to look at the damn car or help him in the least. Tapp is in the business of selling base maps and maestro packages. And doesn't tune cars anymore. Basically you are on your own with this stuff. Although I hear a Toronto dealer has gotten good at tuning all the little issues that comes with a custom setup.

Its not a dig against Tapp btw, its just how he does things now.

[FlaS4]

May want to read this. I think it will help you understand the capabilities and limitations of the maestro. Good info if you search around the site too. Also search around on vwvortex, the 1.8t guys here and eurodyne's forum.

http://www.chiptuners.org/forums/vie...=8193&start=30

[julex]

Good thread on chiptuners. There are two more in vwvortex.com

Oh, and btw, Tapp seems to have only one base file, the dreaded 660cc 90mm one. It doesn't work very well even on exact specs it expects so you will be doing tuning for 100% to get things right.

[ThirdStrike]

Why the insults?

He will not tune your car, if you have any issues, he wont do much to help you. Ask my freind jerry who lives in the same town as Chris, who could not even get him to look at the damn car or help him in the least. Tapp is in the business of selling base maps and maestro packages. And doesn't tune cars anymore. Basically you are on your own with this stuff. Although I hear a Toronto dealer has gotten good at tuning all the little issues that comes with a custom setup.

Its not a dig against Tapp btw, its just how he does things now.

...because what you initially said wasnt exactly true.(I'm NOT a nutswinger but it was almost as if you were slandering) While tuning other cars I've seen him personally call customers/friends of mine and discuss options on how to make things run better.
case in point: this setup (yes thats a mk2 with a .50 trim'd built AEB)

Now rather he still has time to do this now is another story. Nevertheless I'd bet 90+% of the time issues with the base files on this stuff can be worked out using their forums as well as their logging input features in Maestro. Thats the beauty of this software package; it requires little input from the designer to make it right.

Oh, and btw, Tapp seems to have only one base file, the dreaded 660cc 90mm one. It doesn't work very well even on exact specs it expects so you will be doing tuning for 100% to get things right.

If I can do it anybody can.
I never thought in a million years I'd be running E85 on my setup, much less be able to switch back to 91 octane by a simple ECM reflash, WITHOUT intervention from the tuner I bought my file from.

[S4James]

He may have in the past. But not in the last couple years. So what I said, is indeed true. Especially for a new customer. People having trouble with the base maps will get the "nobody else has any problems" response. And "it must be your car" response.

Its frustrating for guys without a lot of forum contacts and whatnot to deal with when you are sold something that you are assured will only need minor tweaking, and instead have a car thats undrivable.

But thats just the sort of thing you have to expect with essentially a standalone tuning management.

I think its correct to point this out to a prospective buyer. It comes with a risk that the base tune will not be useable, and there is little to no support garanteed afterwards.

[julex]

But to be fair, if tune doesn't work too well you need to tweak only couple of things to get it running. I must stress though that wideband sensor is asbolute must before you even start thinking of getting maestro.

[S4James]

battery voltage compensation ftl.

[julex]

Stop talking jibberish, Maestro users are impervious to perils of wrong TVUB tables

[S4James]

And their breath is always minty fresh.

[EBG 18T]

Before buying Maestro i looked into TunerPro and other alternatives. My tuning knowledge was fairly limited and Maestro provided me some basic framework to operate in. Yes it can be restrictive when compared to the open tuning packages, and yes it does cost a little more , and yes it is limited to the one ECU, but it fits the bill for what many of us need. For someone that is more knowledgeable using something like tunerpro would have more access and control. The basefile you will be provided will be pretty rough. I had to make immediate revisions to my base file to get the car to idle and run decent.

Now that i have been using Maestro for 6 months i have been very happy with it. During the winter i put together a lower boost, lower torque file for winter/snow weather. I finished my summer file (w/ no meth), and now i just need to finish my summer file w/ meth (waiting for new meth controller to come in). Maestro provided me just enough access to do what i needed, some folks will feel limited but Maestro is not for everyone.

[mills]

Took tapp a while to get me my base tune (appox. 2 weeks ) then I had multiple errors while trying to flash....ended up being about a month until he sent me a working base tune. Seems to pull a bit harder then then p/o GIAC and was able to eliminate EGT"s and O2's

I have been trying to learn how to make some adjustments on my own, I have never turned a car before but I know I have alot to learn, just a matter of trying to find time between work and school.

If I would have to do it again, I wish I would have just gone with a local shop to tune to avoid the the headache's of waiting and emailing files back and forth. But overall I've been impressed with the software so far

[ThirdStrike]

I'm looking for a strong/healthy k04'd car to run. When I do I'm pretty sure my car will be pulling on him :internet ego:

[Evilevo]

I'm looking for a strong/healthy k04'd car to run. When I do I'm pretty sure my car will be pulling on him :internet ego:

Run Kevin at Wuste.

[Rated S]

Run Kevin at Wuste.

A) My car isn't strong or healthy, it's a pile of poop.
B) I actually have to bail from Wuste this year due to personal complications.
C) I'm always the winner regardless of outcome.

[Evilevo]

A) My car isn't strong or healthy, it's a pile of poop.
B) I actually have to bail from Wuste this year due to personal complications.
C) I'm always the winner regardless of outcome.

A)You are he lamest person I know.
B)You are he lamest person I know.
C)You are he lamest person I know.