best cams?

[b5briand]

what are the best aftermarket cams for my 99 audi a4 1.8t? any suggetsions

[Poopie]

whats your engine set up? don't bother on a stock turbo until you have the ability to move more air.

[Gaberossi]

I would so go with some of IE's new camshafts hearing some really good things about them

[b5briand]

farthest from stock...
atp gt28rs bt kit
ecs rs clutch
660 injectors
eurodyne tuning
fmic
apr exhaust
hitachi 4 prong coilpacks
thats what i can think of off the top of my head

[b5briand]

can you send me like more detials on those/ a link maybe

[Poopie]

catcams are whats available now. Integrated might be releasing theirs soon. Just do a google search

[AudiA4_20T]

farthest from stock...
atp gt28rs bt kit
ecs rs clutch
660 injectors
eurodyne tuning
fmic
apr exhaust
hitachi 4 prong coilpacks
thats what i can think of off the top of my head

lol that's not the farthest from stock, but regardless is your motor built?

[Seerlah]

OP, you would want at least forged rods (for protection) and be able to rev past 8k to be able to utilise aftermarket cams. Depending on your setup, aftermarket cams would really not be worth it when it comes to cost vs gains. A more reasonabale thing to look into if I were you would be forged connecting rods and a turbo upgrade. Then build the cylinder head with cams after that, which in turn can make the larger turbo on stock displacement spool faster with more top end power.

[b5briand]

like i said thats what i can think of off the top of my head...je pistons, cadoza rods, my shit is pretty built, i wouldnta posted this thread if i didnt think cams would add power...
like i said i have a big turbo and internals are all done...i saved up now the next step is building the head...suggestions pleaseee lol im a little iffy on what setup to do

[Seerlah]

Why not step up from the GT2860RS, if you have a built engine. That is what people throw onto a completely stock block. I actually just placed in my order for a T3 GT2871R last week, and I have a completely stock block. That flows more than your turbo does.

Just saying, there are other options. For example, you can spend $650+ on a set of cams. Or you can spend $600 and send your turbo to Forced Performance and have them make your turbo that currently flows at 35lbs/min to 51lbs/min (this option exists, but people are just waiting on a test rabbit for it. the HTA 68 upgrade has been tried and proven and flows at 45lbs/min I think it is). Just throwing in other options that exist.

[MarcMiller]

Anyone know any cams for 30v v6?

[b5briand]

oh good for you buddy i bet my cars still faster then yours

[revolution337]

oh good for you buddy i bet my cars still faster then yours

and there goes the thread

[Seerlah]

oh good for you buddy i bet my cars still faster then yours

Was that directed towards me? I was not showing any form of malice or disdain towards you, if you thought that I was. I am simply trying to give you other options other than cams. To utilise cams, you would need to build the cylinder head to be able to rev up to ~8500 rpm. Otherwise, it would be a waste.

Edit: just realised that was directed towards me. you are a complete dickhead. I am over here trying to give you other options that could be more beneficial than cams, and you reply that your car is faster than mine. grow the fuck up

[onemoremile]

oh good for you buddy i bet my cars still faster then yours

Chill out. He is right. Cam choice depends on airflow and that tater isn't moving enough air to be a problem yet. If you step up to a 30r or bigger then some cams will help. It also depends on how you're tuning the thing.

[b5briand]

ik im a dickhead lol. whats that gonna run me(swappin my turbo) i mean like i gotta get alllll new shitt

[Seerlah]

By ATP turbo kit, do you mean an eliminator kit or full frame t25/t3 flanged setup? But from a thread on the topic of the HTA68,71,73 upgrade, it can also be done to eliminator turbochargers. I am just trying to help you make a better decision, because you really just want more power. There are better routes at your current stage to get more power, than cams. And once you reach the point of being able to really utilize cams, then decide on which cams to get.

The HTA was just one example of a better route than cams, at your current juncture. There are others, such as meth/race gas with file.

[ZimbutheMonkey]

like i said thats what i can think of off the top of my head...je pistons, cadoza rods, my shit is pretty built, i wouldnta posted this thread if i didnt think cams would add power...
like i said i have a big turbo and internals are all done...i saved up now the next step is building the head...suggestions pleaseee lol im a little iffy on what setup to do

Yet you don't have the slightest clue as to which cams you should buy? You do realize that cams aren't going to do you a whole lot of good on a GT28RS right? Seems a little odd that someone with as much of a built setup as you wouldn't have any idea as to what cams to buy. I'm callin' trolling on this one.

[CamrideA4]

ik im a dickhead lol. whats that gonna run me(swappin my turbo) i mean like i gotta get alllll new shitt

Did you build your car or did you buy it as is (or maybe have someone build it for you)? Because you sure don't seem to know much about how this process works for someone that has "their shit pretty built".

[M-Hood]

catcams are whats available now. Integrated might be releasing theirs soon. Just do a google search

Schrick cams were being used years before people started using CAT cams. LOL

Have been running Schrick cams in my car for 7 years now and Lucas in Australia was running Schricks for years before me.
Yes they cost almost twice as much as CATs but at least they haven't ever fallen apart.

Schrick offers a 252 and 260 intake cam for the 1.8t, exhaust cam is 260. The 252/260 should show some good gains on a GT28rs setup.

[b5briand]

thats why i posted this thread..because shrick was a little too much $ right now and i wanted too see what other options there where. so i had an idea what cams to put in my car. as for how built my car is the guy b4 me did about half of the work and half assed it...so i did more stuff and fixed what he did wrong

[M-Hood]

Well twice the price for cams you dont have to worry about is well worth the money spent.

Going with cheap cams that end up failing means spending a much larger amount of money to fix the damage.

[Haenszel20v]

If you're looking for more power, I'd suggest stepping up your turbo game before you do cams, really....

[b5briand]

can i step up my turbo game for 2500$...thats what i have lol

[GrapeBandit]

can i step up my turbo game for 2500$...thats what i have lol

here, if you wanna go fast

http://www.audizine.com/classifieds/...fs-2fft&cat=21

[ZimbutheMonkey]

Schrick offers a 252 and 260 intake cam for the 1.8t, exhaust cam is 260. The 252/260 should show some good gains on a GT28rs setup.

I don't know how much gain you're going to be seeing on a GT2860, especially when changing the exhaust cam. When I spoke to Pete at IE, he said that given the exhaust side backpressure on a 2860, changing the cams won't give you much. More to the point, you're just creating the possibility of reversion with the extra overlap + high backpressure.

[Seerlah]

can i step up my turbo game for 2500$...thats what i have lol

Did everything I write go right over your head? I mean, really?

Let me reiterate: You can send your current turbo to Forced Performance for a $600 upgrade to have your current turbo that flows at 35lbs/min to either 45lbs/min (HTA68 upgrade) or 51lbs/min (HTA71 upgrade). That is exactly what I would do if I were you, and why I even suggested it. It is not only cost effecient because you already have a GT2860RS, but have been proven to not lose effeciency in the higher RPM. Or you can go the route of moving up to a 30 series turbocharger, which Jim aka onemoremile suggested.

[ZimbutheMonkey]

If you're doing your own work, (which you said you are) $2500 is more than enough to upgrade your turbo. Talk to Jess at usedturbos.net (he actually sells lots of new ones too). He can set you up with a precision turbo for about $700 or so. $200 for new injectors, $900 (tops) for a new tune and that still leaves you with $700.

Hell, between the $2500 cash and the money I should be able to get from selling my elim setup I'm hoping to complete a full engine/turbo build for about that price.

[M-Hood]

I don't know how much gain you're going to be seeing on a GT2860, especially when changing the exhaust cam. When I spoke to Pete at IE, he said that given the exhaust side backpressure on a 2860, changing the cams won't give you much. More to the point, you're just creating the possibility of reversion with the extra overlap + high backpressure.

Did Jordan in CO put in cams or his he still running stock? The last thing I would do is cams on any turbo setup, if he did cams on the 2860 setup and didn't get much gains he will at least already have cams in the motor if he swaps to a larger turbo.

[b5briand]

i have siemens 660cc injectors. i do MOST of my own work...for example wiring is one thing i dont do but ill put my own turbo in. the reason i dont know alot about this turbo setup i have is because i didnt put the turbo in the car or the rods and pistons...the guy before me did. sorry for being a dickhead/douchebag...all considering you guys win im gonna do a turbo haha thanks

[ZimbutheMonkey]

To utilise cams, you would need to build the cylinder head to be able to rev up to ~8500 rpm. Otherwise, it would be a waste.

Seconding what he said. Also, props on apologizing. Not too many people willing to do that, so points earned.

Edit, depending on which head you have you may want to consider a few other options:

1) if you have a small port head, upgrade to an AEB head
2) If you have an AEB head, get some porting work done on the exhaust side. I'm bringing my head over to a fellow in my neck of the woods who's probably one of the best race engine builders I've ever seen (been doing it for over 60 years). His opinion was that doing the intake side wasn't going to net me much gain. He did, however, think that doing the exhaust side would help. I'm going to report back once he has a good look at the head and see what we decide on.

In either case, upgrading the head or getting work done to it to help it flow better will net you gains without the worry of what your engine will run like with more aggressive cams (i.e. low vacuum, bad idle, loss of low end power etc...) In my opinion, if you're looking into cams, wait for the IE ones to come out. Check into the intake cam upgrade first as it's the one with the least risk in terms of performance tradeoffs.

[Seerlah]

i have siemens 630cc injectors. i do MOST of my own work...for example wiring is one thing i dont do but ill put my own turbo in. the reason i dont know alot about this turbo setup i have is because i didnt put the turbo in the car or the rods and pistons...the guy before me did. sorry for being a dickhead/douchebag...all considering you guys win im gonna do a turbo haha thanks

Fixed. And good decision on the turbo upgrade.

You should really find out what your turbo specs are. If it is a T3, T25, or eliminator setup? If you don't know this, you won't know what path to take for your upgrade.

[b5briand]

i have an aeb head. and seerlah...its in eleminator

[Seerlah]

This is one reason I don't suggest the eliminator kit. If it wasn't for Forced Performance, you would really be stuck on the GT2871R eliminator upgrade or the GT3071R upgrade (which many think to be a bad combination, like the GT2876R). I would give a call to Forced Performance or ask Mike Hood (M-Hood, who posted in this same thread) about what can be done to your current turbo, to save on as much cost as possible. Only change that looks like would be necessary is a retune when finished, to compensate for the added air flow. Or up your fuel pressure and keep an eye on your A/F ratio. But having a proper tune would be the better route.

[revolution337]

i have an aeb head. and seerlah...its in eleminator

due to the small size of that compressor housing/outlet, you will be limited to the amount power you can squeeze out of it

[Seerlah]

^I am pretty sure Mike said that the new compressor housing FP sends you with new compressor blade has a 3" inlet. So, the OP would need to rig up a custom intake. I forgot about that.

[ZimbutheMonkey]

So here's a response from Pete at IE regarding the GT2860 and cams.

Hi there,

No, we do not have any dyno results from a small turbo like the gt28r. For a turbo like that I would suggest either the intake cam or none at all- those turbos are pretty easy to max out.

[ZimbutheMonkey]

due to the small size of that compressor housing/outlet, you will be limited to the amount power you can squeeze out of it

Although it plays some role, The compressor inlet isn't going to be your biggest limiting factor. The fact that you can't go larger than a .64 A/R on the turbine side will cost you more power than a smaller compressor inlet.

[b5briand]

yo i feel so dumb right now. i was talking to the guy who sold me the cars best friend and he was like "dude we put high lift cams in there and without porting the head" so now what im going to do is save up for the entire summer and redo my whole turbo setup; going to the 35 rather then the 30 or 28(what i have now). what u guys think? p.s. other then me being an asshole (sorry again) this has been a great thread so far you guys have been a sick help!

[Seerlah]

I would not recommend the GT35R for stock displacement for a comfortable daily driver. It would spool rather late, in the upper rpm range. It isn't always about the power, but the powerband. A full frame GT30 series turbo route would be the better route on stock displacement. There are other turbo otpions you can look into.

My plans is to do a full frame T3 GT2871R and run it at like 18psi till I can do drop in rods. After I do drop in rods, then up the boost and have my turbo sent to FP afterwards to do an HTA71 upgrade. This will bring the turbo to the same power level of the GT30 series. Then purchase a built AEB cylinder head. And I think that will be it for my vehicle.

There are many otpions to choose from if starting from the ground up. Since you already have a built block, your options become that much more greater.