Call me dumb, but I am actually asking about DSG retrofit :-O

[csaudis4]

You saw the title my friends, I have been desiring a DSG, lets say not from the day 1, but maybe day 60. I've been enjoying MT until now that it's school time and traffic is like everywhere all the time...

Hum, i don't know if this is going to be harder than modding a FWD into an AWD. But I would really like to know something about this, like the member who's trying to retrofit the MMI 3G on his car, despite that maybe im a bit insaner than him ;p

Thanks in advance.

P.S., don't hate me MT lovers, I'll still be driving an MT if someone can pop my bubble with a poke here.

[drvolkl]

You're dumb. Just trade your 6spd in on a DSG. Seriously.. wtf? If you want to waste a ton of cash, go for it.... there's not even any glory to be had by doing it. Not like the guy who's making an S4 avant...

[L0U]

yeah, trade for a 2011, or sell yours and buy another. The cost would be twice that if you converted.

[zerinA4]

Are you drunk? Seriously?

[PKL]

I don't care what car you own, whether it's an E46 M3 or B8 S4. You can't swap transmissions. Age old convo. You're dumb! ;)

[zerinA4]

Well sure you can, you can swap a tranmission on a late 60s muscle car in a matter of hours :) That's how I spent the better part of my high school years haha

[GoM's]

Def don't do that. Trade it in or just suck it up and keep the 6mt. I initially ordered 6mt and would've preferred it, but changed to S-tronic due to hamstring/sports hernia issues; a little traffic never killed anybody.

[Voltrons_Head]

Just trade your 6spd in on a DSG

X10000000

If you want a glorious project make an S4 Avant like the other guy on here who had a wrecked S4.

[HDClown]

I don't care what car you own, whether it's an E46 M3 or B8 S4. You can't swap transmissions. Age old convo. You're dumb! ;)

Tell that to RS6 owners. There is an adaptor kit to mate an 01E 6-spd up. I'm pretty sure E46 M3 swaps have been done. The gearbox is actually identical, there's just extra hydraulics and software on an SMG II to control the gearbox. Going from an automated box to a manaul is going to be easier than the other way, but anything is possible with enough time, money, and expertise.

[Zed 2.0]

I don't care what car you own, whether it's an E46 M3 or B8 S4. You can't swap transmissions. Age old convo. You're dumb! ;)

Of course you can swap transmissions. It's just a matter of how much time and money you're willing to spend. FFS, there's a tuner doing an S4 powertrain swap into an A4 avant.

[csaudis4]

sigh..
Objective: Being dumb by trying to swap trans.
Reactants: DSG & 6MT
Procedures: Start a thread, piss everyone off, and understand that it is a dumb objective.
Results: Fully understood what is going to happen being this unrealistic
Discussion: Too much money to swap trans., and too small of a number in bank account to swap cars.
Conclusion: Suck it up and enjoy all the bad shifts that's been done.

Another reason is that i felt like it's not worth it to just trade it in, basically for those $1k+ money i've spent on all the tints, ppf, and powdercoating... These won't go over to my new car.
That's why i was being a wannabe and wanted everyone to shout at me so i could give up this thought.

[GoM's]

Be happy with your decision you have an awesome car, dont regret it. If you have extra money, buy a cheap daily driver thats auto and use the S4 for half the week.

[csaudis4]

Maybe I'm just being jealous, obsessive or something. I'm a sick perfectionist, and i hate when sometimes my passengers shake forth and back when I make a shift. I cannot do fast shift like I'm doing slow shift, and I hate to drive like a Chinese taxi driver (99% taxi have MT), they just put RPMs to like 2k and do not give any hard gas, so when they shift into next gear, there is no hard back out caused by gas pedal release. I hate to do this: give a bit gas, back out the gas pedal and pull out of 1st gear, let the car roll itself a little bit, and slowly put it into 2nd. Doing this can give me a smooth shift without passenger shaking around, but the car is slow as a John Deere tractor this way. I just want to beat the DSG, and shift fast as smooth as a DSG, so I don't see that frustrating passenger shake as I'm pushing the car mildly hard. I just can't do it, especially in lower gears.

Maybe some MT expert can help me here? How do you avoid the sudden de-acceleration when you release the gas pedal to shift into next gear? Power shifting the only option? But even if i do power shift, the gap between gears is enough to de-accelerate the car real hard especially at high RPMs, so all my passenger will shake / nod their heads...

I just miss the old days when I was driving DSG GTI that all my passengers have that scream over the hard push without any sick feeling...

[rktskicar]

sigh..
Objective: Being dumb by trying to swap trans.
Reactants: DSG & 6MT
Procedures: Start a thread, piss everyone off, and understand that it is a dumb objective.
Results: Fully understood what is going to happen being this unrealistic
Discussion: Too much money to swap trans., and too small of a number in bank account to swap cars.
Conclusion: Suck it up and enjoy all the bad shifts that's been done.

Another reason is that i felt like it's not worth it to just trade it in, basically for those $1k+ money i've spent on all the tints, ppf, and powdercoating... These won't go over to my new car.
That's why i was being a wannabe and wanted everyone to shout at me so i could give up this thought.

There is actually another possible avenue. Post a thread if anybody with the DSG tranmission wants to swap with you.

Bruce

[teamdaraptor]

Or the Z3-M swap that some M3 guys swap into theirs to get that 6 speed along with extra power capabilities when they supercharge :)

Trans swaps aren't unheard of, but seriously.. you can swap trans easily with some $$ and time.

[GoM's]

It would be cool if they did something similar to SMG in the Audi - not sure why more brands haven't tried it.

[Rhytid]

Maybe I'm just being jealous, obsessive or something. I'm a sick perfectionist, and i hate when sometimes my passengers shake forth and back when I make a shift. I cannot do fast shift like I'm doing slow shift, and I hate to drive like a Chinese taxi driver (99% taxi have MT), they just put RPMs to like 2k and do not give any hard gas, so when they shift into next gear, there is no hard back out caused by gas pedal release. I hate to do this: give a bit gas, back out the gas pedal and pull out of 1st gear, let the car roll itself a little bit, and slowly put it into 2nd. Doing this can give me a smooth shift without passenger shaking around, but the car is slow as a John Deere tractor this way. I just want to beat the DSG, and shift fast as smooth as a DSG, so I don't see that frustrating passenger shake as I'm pushing the car mildly hard. I just can't do it, especially in lower gears.

Maybe some MT expert can help me here? How do you avoid the sudden de-acceleration when you release the gas pedal to shift into next gear? Power shifting the only option? But even if i do power shift, the gap between gears is enough to de-accelerate the car real hard especially at high RPMs, so all my passenger will shake / nod their heads...

I just miss the old days when I was driving DSG GTI that all my passengers have that scream over the hard push without any sick feeling...

I am by no means an expert on manual shifting but what I have found works for me (I had a MT B5 S4, currently with DSG) was to make sure that the engine RPMs do not change much during the shifts. So make sure to step on the clutch very quickly, shift to next gear and then let the clutch out quickly. The faster you can do this, less time engine RPM will decrease from the time you let off on the gas to initiate the shift. I used to try and do slow changes like you mention but found it to actually work better if I did it quickly.

[Seinsmeld13]

Leave your car running and walk away, hopefully it will grt stolen, you can't drive anyway, your drunk!

[leviathan18]

you need

dash
transmission
mechatronic
remove the clutch pedal clutch etc
all the ecus
lots of knowledge in vag com
center console
shift knob
new wheel
new harness

which translates in about 12k in parts plus labor to do the job

trade the damn thing

[BKNYCS4]

dude just sell it to a private party... dont trade it in... craigslist that bitch!!!!

[S4 dude]

There is actually another possible avenue. Post a thread if anybody with the DSG tranmission wants to swap with you.

Bruce

+1

[Dr GP]

Probably would cost less to trade than to swap. Recent post indicate that dealers are selling used S4 only a few thousand dollars under MSRP. Should get a decent trade allowance

[HDClown]

It would be cool if they did something similar to SMG in the Audi - not sure why more brands haven't tried it.

That style of transmission is inferior to what is available today with a dual clutch. It really was just a bridge design. There was no way that was going to last long term, not would I expect it to ever be revisited.

[HDClown]

Maybe I'm just being jealous, obsessive or something. I'm a sick perfectionist, and i hate when sometimes my passengers shake forth and back when I make a shift. I cannot do fast shift like I'm doing slow shift, and I hate to drive like a Chinese taxi driver (99% taxi have MT), they just put RPMs to like 2k and do not give any hard gas, so when they shift into next gear, there is no hard back out caused by gas pedal release. I hate to do this: give a bit gas, back out the gas pedal and pull out of 1st gear, let the car roll itself a little bit, and slowly put it into 2nd. Doing this can give me a smooth shift without passenger shaking around, but the car is slow as a John Deere tractor this way. I just want to beat the DSG, and shift fast as smooth as a DSG, so I don't see that frustrating passenger shake as I'm pushing the car mildly hard. I just can't do it, especially in lower gears.

Maybe some MT expert can help me here? How do you avoid the sudden de-acceleration when you release the gas pedal to shift into next gear? Power shifting the only option? But even if i do power shift, the gap between gears is enough to de-accelerate the car real hard especially at high RPMs, so all my passenger will shake / nod their heads...

I just miss the old days when I was driving DSG GTI that all my passengers have that scream over the hard push without any sick feeling...

So....I've got to ask... why did you get an MT in the first place? How many MT cars have you previously owned, was this the first?

[GoM's]

That style of transmission is inferior to what is available today with a dual clutch. It really was just a bridge design. There was no way that was going to last long term, not would I expect it to ever be revisited.

The BMW SMG wasn't great from what I heard but hypothetically I'm sure some company could design a similar concept which replicated manual driving without the use of a clutch pedal (whether dual clutch or not).

[csaudis4]

I am by no means an expert on manual shifting but what I have found works for me (I had a MT B5 S4, currently with DSG) was to make sure that the engine RPMs do not change much during the shifts. So make sure to step on the clutch very quickly, shift to next gear and then let the clutch out quickly. The faster you can do this, less time engine RPM will decrease from the time you let off on the gas to initiate the shift. I used to try and do slow changes like you mention but found it to actually work better if I did it quickly.

and another issue is when i try to enter a main road from a driveway, you put it into 1st, but during the turn, 1st is not enough anymore, gotta put it into 2nd during the corner, otherwise, staying in 1st will likely to pump the RPMs to like 4k. This is also mostly when I can't get the car rolling smooth.

[csaudis4]

Forgot to mention, but this is actually a lease...

[csaudis4]

So....I've got to ask... why did you get an MT in the first place? How many MT cars have you previously owned, was this the first?

This' the third MT i drove i guess, but i've driven less auto. I actually started learning to drive in an MT years ago... ANyway, i did not specify what to get to the dealer, becuz i could drive both and my last 135 was an MT, so i didn't mind. But i mind right now, i got tired even if MT in this Audi is 1000x easier than it was in 135.

[ChrisMT79]

Forgot to mention, but this is actually a lease...

LOL...

[wwhan]

A lease????

What does it take to break a lease?

[Sour]

twilight zone anyone?

[csaudis4]

A lease????

What does it take to break a lease?

hmm nothing, i just doubt it's financially wise to break a *2-year* lease, and it's even less financially wise to spend all the money and time to swap trans., i guess i've came out with the "suck it up" solution :( , that's why i was wondering how to shift quick and smooth in cornering.

[Okan509]

You can buy out a lease pretty easily... The payments you have been/are making just trun into payments to pay off the car

Traffic would have to be god awful for me to want an automatic

[zerinA4]

It sounds like the better solution is learn how the hell to drive a manual.

hmm nothing, i just doubt it's financially wise to break a *2-year* lease, and it's even less financially wise to spend all the money and time to swap trans., i guess i've came out with the "suck it up" solution :( , that's why i was wondering how to shift quick and smooth in cornering.

[drvolkl]

It sounds like the better solution is learn how the hell to drive a manual.

+1... or as stated many times, just swap the car for a DSG. I'm sure the dealership would be more than happy to do so for a small price.. and at least you're probably going to get a new car. lol

I feel this is comparable to someone buying a black S4 and then thinking they really want an Ibis... "so how much for a full repaint on my leased car that matches factory quality".

Can it be done? Sure... is it smart? No.

[wwhan]

Sometimes, it just takes a little money to buy happiness. It depends on
how important it is to you and your priorities. Swapping out the lease is worth
evaluating, it does not hurt to ask. You may determine the money
is better spent elsewhere....... or not.

[csaudis4]

Thanks for the encourage guys, i wanna buy happiness :D, so I'm emailing my SA right now! If it dont turn out right, i probably will just start a new thread asking about corner shifting i guess, unless some of the MT master may give me some hint here?

How do you make a good and smooth shift during corners? The G's in cornering will easily throw me around (not by much, because of the bucket seat, but you know you'll definitely be moved around in cornering), so I'm less sturdy in that seat. At the same time, my left foot can't stay on the footrest to keep myself balanced because i need to take care of clutch. All these issues always bring me a shaky driving. My question is, how do you use first gear in the corner? Do you guys use 1st to roll all the way till you get into straight line? Or do you run 1st a bit and quickly get it into 2nd during the corner?

I've asked the same question for 135, because that was a well known weird gear ratio on that car, and 1st was nearly useless. S4 on the other hand, has a much better 1st gear setup imo, but it's still a little tricky to start moving the car in a corner. (a fast corner)

[rktskicar]

Thanks for the encourage guys, i wanna buy happiness :D, so I'm emailing my SA right now! If it dont turn out right, i probably will just start a new thread asking about corner shifting i guess, unless some of the MT master may give me some hint here?

How do you make a good and smooth shift during corners? The G's in cornering will easily throw me around (not by much, because of the bucket seat, but you know you'll definitely be moved around in cornering), so I'm less sturdy in that seat. At the same time, my left foot can't stay on the footrest to keep myself balanced because i need to take care of clutch. All these issues always bring me a shaky driving. My question is, how do you use first gear in the corner? Do you guys use 1st to roll all the way till you get into straight line? Or do you run 1st a bit and quickly get it into 2nd during the corner?

I've asked the same question for 135, because that was a well known weird gear ratio on that car, and 1st was nearly useless. S4 on the other hand, has a much better 1st gear setup imo, but it's still a little tricky to start moving the car in a corner. (a fast corner)

Can you be more specific on the MT driving situation that is causing you angst? It sounds like to me that you are just starting out in 1st gear and want to shift to 2nd in the corner. Is this correct?

Bruce

[csaudis4]

Yes, definitely. I'm that person who's so afraid of cops that I only do quick cornering instead of dragging in straight line. For instance, there's a stop sign at the end of a minor driveway, and I'm going to stop there and wait to enter a major road. I understand I can give it a bit gas in 1st and soon get it into 2nd in the turn, but that'll make the car move like a turtle and the car behind me will have to give it a brake or something. Now, I don't want to disturb their driving, so I'd like to make a better acceleration out of that corner. So shifting 1st to 2nd real quick and smooth and under high RPMs has become the most challenging stuff i do with this car, and as I mentioned, that bothers me because of my perfection tendency...

There are like three things to do in quick entering to a major road: i gotta use my left hand to control the steering well so i don't bump into other cars in the inner lane; i gotta quickly pull the gear out of 1st to get into 2nd while rolling the car smoothly; and I have to keep my body balanced in the quick cornering.

Did i make a good explanation this time?

[rktskicar]

Yes, definitely. I'm that person who's so afraid of cops that I only do quick cornering instead of dragging in straight line. For instance, there's a stop sign at the end of a minor driveway, and I'm going to stop there and wait to enter a major road. I understand I can give it a bit gas in 1st and soon get it into 2nd in the turn, but that'll make the car move like a turtle and the car behind me will have to give it a brake or something. Now, I don't want to disturb their driving, so I'd like to make a better acceleration out of that corner. So shifting 1st to 2nd real quick and smooth and under high RPMs has become the most challenging stuff i do with this car, and as I mentioned, that bothers me because of my perfection tendency...

There are like three things to do in quick entering to a major road: i gotta use my left hand to control the steering well so i don't bump into other cars in the inner lane; i gotta quickly pull the gear out of 1st to get into 2nd while rolling the car smoothly; and I have to keep my body balanced in the quick cornering.

Did i make a good explanation this time?

A little better. I have a radar/laser detector and just use that. OK, where are you holding the steering wheel at with your left hand? You should be at exactly 9:00 on steering wheel with your left hand, using the thumbhooks on the steering wheel to start with and at 3:00 with your right hand when not shifting. What RPM are you shifting at? Where in the turn is this?

Bruce