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    DIY: 5HP-19FL Valve Body Rebuild

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    **disclaimer this DIY giude is intended as a reference only. It is not a substitute for a full shop manual and/or the services of a
    qualified transmission repair specialist. Any damage related to repairs caused entirely or in part from this DIY guide are the sole responsibility of the end user. Translation, if you botch the job and blow your transmission up don't come crying to me**

    So in the spirit of crazy repairs, I've decided to take apart the valve bodies on my folks Boxster. It was slamming into gear while coasting on tiptronic 4-3 downshifts. I think it's an issue with the C clutch accumulator piston. I got the go ahead to pull it apart and see if anything's amiss.

    So, here are some ground rules:
    1) Cleanliness is ESSENTIAL when taking apart anything automatic transmission related. It's not quite as essential on the teardown. However it's critical on the rebuild. These transmissions run very small pistons relative to the parts that they actuate, so the bore tolerances are very tight. Grit and such can cause problems if they lodge in the bores during reassembly.

    2) Order and attention to detail are key as well. Set aside a nice clear area to lay out the parts as you disassemble them. I used a large chunk of cardboard on the floor. Trace the valve bodies on the sheet and then lay out the pistons/springs relative to where they came out of the traced outline. Another hint is to make a divot in the cardboard to keep the parts from rolling around. I just dragged the butt end of a sharpie (not the marker part) to make an indent as I labeled the parts coming out.

    3) Examine everything that comes out with a magnifying glass. The pistons are anodized, so if you see shiny parts on the edges that's a good indication that something's worn. Also, once you've cleaned the bores out, check them for signs of wear.

    4) Document everything with a camera. I just kept my camera beside me as I pulled things apart. Audi made a lot of changes throughout the model years, so there may be slight differences on your particular model relative to the Boxster. This is especially true on the intermediate plate section (the part with the orifices).

    5) It's best to order your parts in advance. I ran into problems getting the right parts and it ended up taking about 2 weeks. If you can't take that much down time it's best to have all the parts beforehand. Parts you'll need for sure are the intermediate plate gasket, piston dampers, check balls and check springs. The orifices under the intermediate plate should be changed as well, however I did put it back together with some of the old ones. Just make sure they stay in the same place and aren't clogged.

    Here's the patient


    Here's the operating room


    Part 1) Removal from vehicle

    Pull the pan and remove it. You'll have to pull the clips from the trans solenoids. Take care when removing them as they're quite brittle. After removing the six here, you'll need to pull another 2 once the valve body drops.


    Here are the locations of the ones holding the valve body in


    Here you see the two clips to the turbine speed sensor and the 7th soleniod


    2) Disassembly

    Once it's out, put it on the bench and pull the turbine speed sensor off the backside so you can lay it flat. Then start pulling the screws to start pulling each of the 4 valve body assemblies off. I suggest doing them one at time and completely disassembling them ***note, if you pull both the large, lower valve bodies (pictured here) off at once and flip the assembly to remove the smaller upper ones, the intermediate plate may fall off and drop all the orifices etc...*** What I did was pull a lower valve body, disassemble it and then put the valve body (sans pistons) back where it was and hold it in with a couple of screws. That will hold the intermediate plate on until you're ready to pull it.



    Pic of the lower front valve body. See the pistons in their bores?

    Underside of the upper front valve body


    2.1 Disassembling the valve bodies
    **I'm not going to show the entire disassembly process here, all the valve bodies follow a similar pattern. Just pull the pistons one at a time and lay them out as you do so**

    Pay particular attention to the clips that you pull out. Keep the orientation relative to their slot in the valve body the same. If they're on a piston I placed them on the piston as I was pulling the assembly


    Lower front valve body



    There's a check ball assembly that should be replaced during the overhaul. It's circled in the lower left portion of this pic


    Lower rear valve body
    **Note that I labeled all the soleniods numerically**
    Check that the solenoid screens and orifices are clear of debris. The ED (Black) type solenoids can get the screens clogged and malfunction. BTW these guys are responsible for line pressure modulation during shift overlap.


    Upper front valve body


    Upper rear valve body


    Intermediate plate
    This is the part under the two large (lower) valve bodies. You can see here, where the color coded orifices and damper plugs are.



    Here's my problem child. A rubber damper plug that got deformed.


    Here it is in it's spot on the intermediate plate
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    Id like to see how things turn out.
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    Yeah, you and me both. It won't be together until at least Monday. I just got off the horn with my folks and we're going to go ahead with the rebuild kit. I figure I've committed this far, so why not go the whole 9 yards. It's just a matter of how long it takes to get the kit in.

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    whoah the b5 tip and boxster transmission are the same? Good luck on the rebuild! Provide lots of pics
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    There we go, the entire valve body assembly is apart. Now all that remains is the part with the check valves and orifices. I'll probably wait until Monday for that part.

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    Thats what god does to those who get Porches with bitchboxes... lol

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    Meh, it's not mine. However I agree that it is heresy. Maybe I'll have to see if I can convince them to let me try a 5 speed swap on this one. At least that's my backup plan if I bugger this up.

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    So my curiosity got the better of me and I decided to pop the top off the section with the check balls, springs and orifices. I haven't pulled any out yet though, as I'm still waiting on the rebuild kit.

    PS: To clarify, this would be a trans from a B5 fronttrack A4. The quattro version is fundamentally the same, however it just has provisions for mounting the rear prop shaft. If you look at the casing on a FWD 5HP-19 you can see where it would bolt on the back.

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    So long time with no update, I figured I'd keep you guys posted. After getting off the phone with Steve at ZF North America (who was incredibly helpful BTW) it looks like my theory about the deformed rubber damper in the valve body being part of the problem was right on the money. Apparently, they function as dampers for the hydraulics during shift overlap. When they get pounded over time they deform and throw things off in the hydraulic actuations.

    Also, it's possible that the bore on the C clutch accumulator is worn. I have yet to confirm that though. I've posted the pics in the first post.

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    So Steve emailed me back with some felpful facts that I thought I'd post up here in case anyone is interested. Also, it looks like the valve was chattering in the C clutch bore so I might be having to change that portion as well.

    I have attached the 5HP19FL section of our valve body guide as well as a clutch and solenoid chart. There are a couple of comments in the thread worth elaborating on. All ZF products have an identification tag attached. This tag has what is called the catalog or engineering number. Matching numbers are identical transmissions and can be interchanged. Differences can be in number of clutches per pack, converter stall or design, differential ratio changes or updates to existing components that require new cataloging. I do have the ability to compare any two transmissions side by side for changes. It should also be noted shift quality, shift timing and even the function of the Tip are computer controls. Programming changes in the TCM have reduced production costs by allowing identical transmissions to behave differently. Some comment was made on clutch clearance checks, yes the clearance is important and controlled in most clutches by the thickness of the snap ring. This can be seen at the rear of our catalog in the snap ring selection guides. If you do have to venture into the transmission in most situations the factory has set the clearance and reusing the original snap ring dimensions will work well.

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    As the good folks at Hayne's say: "Assembly is a reverse of removal".
    Just make sure that everything is clean and goes back the way you pulled it out. Take your time and double check your previous reference pictures and it'll turn out fine.


    My spring compressor


    My other spring compressor, this is done extremely lightly BTW

    Putting the plate on

    Doweling it in place with 3 bolts

    Voila!





    The remains of it's 9 liter fluid bender

    Here she is alive and well!


    Ladies and Gentlemen, she lives!!! I just got everything buttoned up, took her for a test run and she shifts flawlessly. What I wanted to do with this is to show that these valve bodies are not impossible to work on. I know there are people on the forums with tip issues that may be valve body related. Point is, you can work on these valve bodies. All you need is some time, patience and logical thinking.

    I have way more of these pics on my computer if anyone is interested in pulling one of these apart. PM me and I can see about burning them to a disk and sending them to you.
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    Thank you for sharing all theses informations with us, they are most helpful as I will have to do such a job next summer or sooner.
    I saw your PC near the parts, you where using the Bentley Publisher manual?

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    Good job, definitely a tedious task.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FNK View Post
    Thank you for sharing all theses informations with us, they are most helpful as I will have to do such a job next summer or sooner.
    I saw your PC near the parts, you where using the Bentley Publisher manual?
    I was using a combination of pics that I took during disassembly and a valve body service guide that I stumbled upon ages ago. The bentley manual only goes into removal of the trans and installation of the torque converter. Actually, it says that rebuilding the trans and valve bodies is beyond the scope of the book LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biketsai View Post
    Good job, definitely a tedious task.
    Thanks man, it is kind of tedious in a way, however I kind of found it meditative and soothing in a strange way.

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    Wow, very nice work. Any possibility of sharing the valve body service guide?

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    Yeah, I can try and fire off the PDF to you. I don't know how big it is is though. I'll see if I can find the link that I got it from in the first place and post that.

    Tadaaa!!! I found it http://www.ebooksquad.com/2009/06/22...ce-manual.html download the PDF

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    If you want, clean up the post with step by step directions and then we can move your thread to the DYI secton of the forum.
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    I agree on this!

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    wow impressive work, i love these detail oriented tasks deffinately know what you mean by meditative

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZimbutheMonkey View Post
    Yeah, I can try and fire off the PDF to you. I don't know how big it is is though. I'll see if I can find the link that I got it from in the first place and post that.

    Tadaaa!!! I found it http://www.ebooksquad.com/2009/06/22...ce-manual.html download the PDF
    Great. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacka4 View Post
    If you want, clean up the post with step by step directions and then we can move your thread to the DYI secton of the forum.
    As soon as I get some time I'd be glad to. I won't be able to cover every step in terms of tearing apart each valve body. However the same principles apply pretty much throughout the whole teardown. I'll try and hit the main portions of the teardown and rebuild though. If anyone has any specific questions, maybe post them and I'll see if I can answer them. As I said, I have about another 100+ pics that I haven't posted here. So I can probably illustrate the answers to other questions that arise.

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    Zimbu, if you want me to host a download of all your pics in a zip file or something, let me know, I would be happy to. Just shoot me a pm.
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