PES G3 supercharger for A4 3.0

[gaspam]

i have been researching getting PES g3 for my 2003 a4 3.0 and read all the horror stories on the PES tune but most of these post are from a few years ago - is the tune still motor killer at WOT? Or is there anyone that does better tunes for it ?

i have searched the forums but all the stuff is from 2006 -2008 and wondering if maybe PES tune has gotten better since they seem to be stepping up with the S4 s/c and R8 s/c - thanks

[b6onboost]

To my knowledge it has always been a tune issue which has not been resolved. I doubt PES is focusing on the 3.0/3.2 platform anymore. Their biggest Audi market is the V8 S4/S5/RS4/R8 guys who crave big power.

Honestly, just buy a B6 S4. Similar performance, a few other worthy upgrades (Recaros, Brakes, Body, ect), and likely cheaper than installing a fully supported G3 on your B6.

[JoshDub]

I think uni does a tune? It was experimental though. If you go with PES you will blow that motor.

[Matt@EuropaParts]

If you're running the PES tune, than yes. If the GIAC or a custom tune, it doesn't appear to be an issue.

[gaspam]

well i had a B5 S4 stage 3 at 440hp so even the b6 s4 is dog to me, but i sold the B5 as i needed some money and have the B6 a4 as my 2nd car (had it forever but just sat in garage until B5 was gone (sold it to get extra cash for purchase of investment condo) so right now i am just trying to stay with what i got and get it to feel at lleast like a stage 1 / 2 B5 until i start recouping some of my investment $$$ from the condo.... so i gotta stay with the b6 a4 for at least a year and i think i am going to go crazying driving this dog - forgot how slow it was.... but i thought if i could drop a few grand and get another 100hp out of it then i could deal with it for a year (spending $4k is feasible for me now, not spending $14k to find a used b6 s4 - at that cost i would just get another B5 stage 3)

[gaspam]

If you're running the PES tune, than yes. If the GIAC or a custom tune, it doesn't appear to be an issue.

do you know where the GIAC is availible ? i dont see it on their website and though after they broke relations with PES that they didnt do software for the PES anymore ?

[Ill 3.0]

GIAC won't sell that file anymore. I believe I got the last version of software from PES that hasn't been a problem. I had my kit installed early July 07 and sometime around Sept. 07 is when the file switched and people started blowing motors. Too bad, since it definitely makes the car much more fun to drive. Where do you live? You could always go with a custom tune.

[gaspam]

GIAC won't sell that file anymore. I believe I got the last version of software from PES that hasn't been a problem. I had my kit installed early July 07 and sometime around Sept. 07 is when the file switched and people started blowing motors. Too bad, since it definitely makes the car much more fun to drive. Where do you live? You could always go with a custom tune.

i live in both nashville, tn and ft lauderdale, fl - split time between the 2 and sometimes drive down which used to be fun in the B5 s4, but i dread it in the A4 - cant even stop a scion with exhaust from passing me lol

[mrjwahl]

i would like to know as well

[Greedo]

My suggestion: Either sell the 3.0 and get a more tuner friendly engine (1.8/4.2) or just go for a swap (again, 1.8/4.2/2.7). The PES supercharger seems to be trouble and will cost you more money in the long run than just doing a swap.

[gaspam]

My suggestion: Either sell the 3.0 and get a more tuner friendly engine (1.8/4.2) or just go for a swap (again, 1.8/4.2/2.7). The PES supercharger seems to be trouble and will cost you more money in the long run than just doing a swap.

i think that would cost a lot more to do an engine swap and mate up the tranny than to do a s/c for under $4K?

And selling it i would only get about $7K and that would barely get me into a 2000 S4 b5 - then i would have to spend another $4K at least to get it to stage 2+ which would be similar level to B6 s/c..... I plan to eventually get another B5 s4 but not until i replish at least $20K because thats what its gonna cost to aquire one in good condition and bring it stage 3 .... so until then i want to keep from spending more than $4-5K over the next year

[PCYC]

I am still on the fence on the G3 issue. I am probably going to do it but I dont know i may just get a S4 too

[Greedo]

i think that would cost a lot more to do an engine swap and mate up the tranny than to do a s/c for under $4K?

I highly doubt that the PES kit will cost you only $4k. You'll blow at least one engine in the process so you're looking at more like $6k+.

There are what, two people with the PES kit that don't have problems, but they aren't able to creep anything above, or near, 5k rpms from what I recall. Waste of money, period.

[B6Lovin]

2.7 manifolds bolt onto the 3.0.... im just sayin


get some type of FI, and an AEM standalone that any good import shop can tune. viola... you don't have all these bullshit issues

[gaspam]

I highly doubt that the PES kit will cost you only $4k. You'll blow at least one engine in the process so you're looking at more like $6k+.

There are what, two people with the PES kit that don't have problems, but they aren't able to creep anything above, or near, 5k rpms from what I recall. Waste of money, period.

how does PES not have a lawsuit agianst them if everytime someone gets a G3 s/c they blow an engine? and dont they have a 1 yr warranty though? so if i get one and it blows my engine cuz its running lean at WOT cuz of their software, wouldnt they pay for cost of damage to engine? All i am looking for is 1 yr of power, then i am gonna sell the kit and car and buy MB e55 amg or 2003 AUdi RS6 once i recoupe a years worth of rent from my tenants

[Greedo]

Might I suggest this read? Sure, it's not on the G3, but all in all it relates to the company and their quality (or lack there of) product and service.
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...d-love-this...

In the end it's your car so you do what you want with it, but I can say from being a 3.0 owner myself I would skip the G3 and invest my money into something more reliable, like an engine swap.

[Ill 3.0]

I highly doubt that the PES kit will cost you only $4k. You'll blow at least one engine in the process so you're looking at more like $6k+.

There are what, two people with the PES kit that don't have problems, but they aren't able to creep anything above, or near, 5k rpms from what I recall. Waste of money, period.

If you don't own a 3.0 and have experience with an s/c kit, stop commenting. You're just spreading bad information. I paid $3750 for my kit 3 years ago, one engine.

Its very simple, read what I already wrote. The reliable software has not been available for sometime. My car has been perfectly fine for 3 years next month with the blower, and no I don't keep the RPMs under 5k , so the motor can handle the hardware just fine at 9 psi. You'll need to get a custom tune. Feel free to PM me and I can give some suggestions.

Yeah, trying the 2.7T manis would be great, but to make it worthwhile you'd probably want to upgrade rods/pistons.

[texasboy21]

Sell the 3.0 and for the sale price pick up a 1.8t and go BT with the 4K, done deal
better mpg and its pretty much bolt on and go

[gaspam]

If you don't own a 3.0 and have experience with an s/c kit, stop commenting. You're just spreading bad information. I paid $3750 for my kit 3 years ago, one engine.

Its very simple, read what I already wrote. The reliable software has not been available for sometime. My car has been perfectly fine for 3 years next month with the blower, and no I don't keep the RPMs under 5k , so the motor can handle the hardware just fine at 9 psi. You'll need to get a custom tune. Feel free to PM me and I can give some suggestions.

Yeah, trying the 2.7T manis would be great, but to make it worthwhile you'd probably want to upgrade rods/pistons.

pm'd

[gaspam]

Sell the 3.0 and for the sale price pick up a 1.8t and go BT with the 4K, done deal
better mpg and its pretty much bolt on and go

i thought about that but then its like another $700 sales tax and $200 to register and plus the pain of finding another A4 in as nice of condition as mine and color combo and the hassle, etc.... that could be like 2 months down road for a car that i would then get rid of in 10 months.... keep in mind i am not staying with this car for much more than a year and moving up past the A4 after that to either RS6 or merc E55 AMG ( leaning toward the merc since it seems to have a lot less problems then the RS6 and its more than 1/2 sec faster in the 1/4 right out of the gate and kleenman pulley/ ecu/ exhaust gets me up to almost 600hp for about $4k) ... so not looking to take on another car project at moment, jsut trying to work with what i got for the next year and just hate this 200hp b/s coming from the stage 3 s4

[Greedo]

I'm going to add my .02, again.

You'll end up loosing more money than you put in the car when you sell it in a year. Learn to be happy with what you bought and save that $4k+ and put it towards one of the two cars you mentioned you want to replace the 3.0 with.

[gaspam]

I'm going to add my .02, again.

You'll end up loosing more money than you put in the car when you sell it in a year. Learn to be happy with what you bought and save that $4k+ and put it towards one of the two cars you mentioned you want to replace the 3.0 with.

lol yeah i hear ya and i am soooo trying to do that but its so awefully slow and annoying now in traffic and i just dread driving it - i am a pretty aggressive driver (gotta be growing up in miami where most people are used to coming from countries where taxis drive up on the sidewalk to pass lol.... so now i feel like prizefighter trying to fight with 1 arm and 1 leg - handicapped in this dog

[B6Lovin]

nitrous. do it.

[Ill 3.0]

I'm going to add my .02, again.

You'll end up loosing more money than you put in the car when you sell it in a year. Learn to be happy with what you bought and save that $4k+ and put it towards one of the two cars you mentioned you want to replace the 3.0 with.

This is true, but what you're really saying is modding any car is a poor financial choice. Yet we all do it anyway.

[Great North USP]

Keep that money in your pocket until you are ready to buy those above mentioned cars.
Why mod a car to sell it 1 year down the road? You won't get near close to what you put into the car. Not a smart investment decision. Buying yourself a condo, smart investment decision.

Unless you have the cash to burn and are not worried about leaving yourself short then do it. But from your posts it doesnt sound like you fall into this category yet.

Hope you get yourself into RS6 or AMG though.
GL on your decisions.

[Greedo]

This is true, but what you're really saying is modding any car is a poor financial choice. Yet we all do it anyway.

If you only plan to keep a car for a year it's very much so pointless to do any expensive mods. If you know you're keeping the car for awhile (like two years or more), then it makes all the sense to mod it (well in a real world not really, but for people like us it does).

[gaspam]

nitrous. do it.

thought about it but cant really find any plug and play stuff for this car? i guess could just do wet shot into the intake

[Ill 3.0]

thought about it but cant really find any plug and play stuff for this car? i guess could just do wet shot into the intake

stock 3.0 intake mani has a variable flap I believe, which may cause pooling and obviously that's not so great for motor health.

[dpatel]

If you don't own a 3.0 and have experience with an s/c kit, stop commenting. You're just spreading bad information. I paid $3750 for my kit 3 years ago, one engine.

Ditto... 4 years and 35K miles on my G3. And I did a track day at Road Atlanta (a real road course) where I was doing redline gear changes for a total of 2 hours (four 30min runs). Of course I do have the GIAC software....

[mrjwahl]

Ditto... 4 years and 35K miles on my G3. And I did a track day at Road Atlanta (a real road course) where I was doing redline gear changes for a total of 2 hours (four 30min runs). Of course I do have the GIAC software....

get me a copy of your software

[JeffM03]

stock 3.0 intake mani has a variable flap I believe, which may cause pooling and obviously that's not so great for motor health.

If he was looking for real power with nitrous he'd want to do direct port anyways. Just make sure you use the typical fail-safes (fuel relay switches, WOT switches, RPM switches, etc.) and you could end up with a beautiful nitrous setup.

2.7 manifolds bolt onto the 3.0.... im just sayin

get some type of FI, and an AEM standalone that any good import shop can tune. viola... you don't have all these bullshit issues

I've been throwing an idea like that around for awhile. Since it looks like a 2.7 exhaust manifold has the same bolt pattern you could theoretically bolt that up with a K04 (just taking engine bay size into account you could try to fit bigger), some crazy intercooler piping, and have your very own 3.0T. Of course this isn't taking into account the oil lines that need to be run, the tune, the injectors, etc, but it is a wonderful pipe-dream.

[Sales@RAI]

If he was looking for real power with nitrous he'd want to do direct port anyways. Just make sure you use the typical fail-safes (fuel relay switches, WOT switches, RPM switches, etc.) and you could end up with a beautiful nitrous setup.



I've been throwing an idea like that around for awhile. Since it looks like a 2.7 exhaust manifold has the same bolt pattern you could theoretically bolt that up with a K04 (just taking engine bay size into account you could try to fit bigger), some crazy intercooler piping, and have your very own 3.0T. Of course this isn't taking into account the oil lines that need to be run, the tune, the injectors, etc, but it is a wonderful pipe-dream.

I've been trying to get Ill 3.0 to do this for awhile, it actually would be easier than people think. You could actually just buy a used 2.7T block and manis. The 3.0 heads are actually better for flow anyway

[JeffM03]

I've been trying to get Ill 3.0 to do this for awhile, it actually would be easier than people think. You could actually just buy a used 2.7T block and manis. The 3.0 heads are actually better for flow anyway

Wouldn't that just make it a 2.7 with 3.0L heads?

In theory, couldn't you have someone fab up a manifold (just one. something like a log manifold) and place it on the passenger head (taking into account balanced airflow) with a K04 or larger? I say passenger side because I don't see it fitting on the driver side.

It wouldn't be as fast as a twin turbo 3.0L but with the right tune it seems like it could definitely make power. Just an idea to throw out there, not sure if it'd be plausible, but it'd definitely be cool.

[seph]

If you are looking to upgrade in a year or two anyways, why spend the money? suck it up for a year and use the money you save to get what you want later on.

[vipvictor]

i have a 2003 audi 3.0 a4 with the pes supercharger on it.... has a custom tune on it real responsive.. im selling this project if u guys kno anyone intrested in it... it silver lowerd on h&r coilover kit miltec exhaust has 114k miles on it... selling it for 7500.00 my lost... clean title ....

[JoshDub]

i have a 2003 audi 3.0 a4 with the pes supercharger on it.... has a custom tune on it real responsive.. im selling this project if u guys kno anyone intrested in it... it silver lowerd on h&r coilover kit miltec exhaust has 114k miles on it... selling it for 7500.00 my lost... clean title ....

first post is trying to sell your car in the wrong spot. Welcome to AZ!