Alignmnet specs for track - toe-in or toe-out?
This morning I finally got my alignment spec sheet from my last alignment and from what I can tell I have it set up for toe-in at both ends.
Am I reading this right?
front:
LF toe 0.18 degrees
RF toe 0.16 degrees
Toe In 0.34 degrees
rear:
LR toe 0.12 degrees
RR toe 0.15 degrees
Toe In 0.27 degrees
My goal is to dial out and as much understeer as possible for good rear rotation and neutral balance on the track, meaning rear will have to be adjusted for some toe-out.
What are the recommended settings for the track use?
Car Set-Up: Toe-in/Toe-out
Negative Toe is the same as Toe-in and positive Toe is the same as Toe-out. These settings are important settings for stabilizing your car and the steering in the corners. Make sure that your wheels are centered during the measuring of the Toe. You can adjust the toe by turning the steering turnbuckles.
Front Toe-in/Toe-out
Toe-in Toe-in will stabilize the car in the straights, during acceleration and the exits of the corners. It will also make the car less aggressive and easier to drive. It may also increase your steering in the mid and exit of the corner.
-1Ú
Toe-out Toe-out will make the aggressive and harder to drive. But it will increase the steering entering the corners.
+1Ú
Neutral-Toe For a neutral feeling adjust 0Ú toe. But the car may be not stable.
0Ú
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Rear Toe-in/Toe-out
Toe-in Toe-in at the rear make's your car more sticky at the back and easier to drive This may stabilize your car. But be careful, this is a very sensitive adjustment.
0Ú- -3.5Ú
Toe-out Rear Toe-out makes the rear of your car very instable. This adjustment is never used and we advise you to not use it.
+1Ú
Neutral-Toe For a neutral feeling adjust less toe-in. The car will be slightly faster and more efficient. But the car may stick less in the back and that could cause slower laptimes.
0Ú
Toe
Toe is an alignment parameter that describes how the front wheels are oriented with respect to each other and how the rear wheels are oriented with respect to each other. With the steering wheel centered, if the front wheels are pointing toward each other (from a top view), they have "toe-in" or are "toed-in". If they are pointing away from each other, they are said to have "toe-out" or be "toed-out". The same definitions apply for the rear wheels. Toe can be measured as an angle between the perfectly straight position of a wheel and its position after toe is adjusted. Toe can also be determined by finding the difference between the distance separating the front edges of the wheels and the distance separating the rear edges of the wheels. More distance between the front edges than the rear edges is toe-out. More distance between the rear edges than the front edges is toe-in.
Toe is used to change the way a car behaves on corner entry. The more toe-in you have on a pair of wheels, the harder it is to make those wheels turn into a corner. The more toe-out you use, the easier it is to get that pair of wheels to turn into a corner.
Why does this happen? Let's take an example where a car with toe-in on the front wheels is about to enter a left turn. The driver begins to turn the wheel left. Now, the left-front tire is pointing only slightly to the left while the right-front tire is pointing much more to the left. The problem with this is that the left-front tire needs to turn with a greater angle than the right-front tire because the left-front tire is on the inside of the corner and, therefore, must trace an arc with a smaller radius than the outside tire. However, with toe-in, the left-front tire is actually trying to trace a larger radius arc than the right-front tire. It is difficult to make the car turn because the left-front tire is fighting the right-front. When the car is already in the turn, weight transfers to the right-front tire and diminishes the effect of the left-front tire. Because of this weight transfer, toe mainly affects corner entry.
With toe-out, the inside tire in a corner turns with a greater angle than the outside tire (as it should). This improves the grip of the front tires on corner entry.
In addition to corner-entry handling, toe affects straight-line stability. Toe-in improves stability while toe-out worsens stability. This can be explained through the same reasoning as was used to describe corner-entry handling. Toe-out encourages turn-in since the inside tire turns at a greater angle than the outside. Hence, the car is sensitive to the slightest steering input. Toe-out will make the car wander on the straightaways requiring corrective steering. The car will always be turning unless the steering is perfectly centered. With toe-in, the inside tire fights the outside since the inside is trying to trace a larger radius arc than the outside. As a result, toe-in discourages turn-in and makes the car less sensitive to steering input. In other words, it is more stable.
Let's consider an example of the straight-line stability concept. Assume you have toe-out on the rear wheels. You are traveling in a straight line when your right-rear tire hits a small bump. It gets pushed back slightly by the impact, and it is now pointing more to the right than the left-rear tire. Therefore, the back of the car turns to the right until the right rear suspension comes back to its original position. The same thing can occur with the front wheels. In fact, the effect on the front suspension is even worse because the right-front wheel getting pushed back, for instance, will also turn the left-front wheel to the right.
Rear toe is usually only adjusted on front-wheel drive cars or rear wheel drive cars with independent rear suspensions. I wanted to include this example just to show that rear toe can be adjusted just like front toe on many cars. With a front-wheel drive car, it is sometimes helpful to add some rear toe-out to decrease the stability of the rear tires and counter the understeer inherent in front-wheel drive cars. For a rear-wheel drive car with independent rear suspension, the torque produced on the rear suspension when you step on the throttle tends to pull the rear wheels forward on the suspension pivots. This creates toe-in. To counter this effect, you can toe-out the rear wheels so they will become straight when you step on the throttle. I do not recommend this since rear toe-out in a rear-wheel drive car can cause severe oversteer. Instead of using toe-out, install aftermarket bushings and suspension links to keep the suspension from getting pulled forward under hard acceleration.
As you may have expected, toe increases tire wear because the tires are fighting each other and, therefore, scrubbing along the ground. Toe-in tends to increase tire wear on the outside edges of the tires. Toe-out tends to increase tire wear on the inside edges of the tires. Make sure that you consider your camber setting when adding toe-out. If you are using negative camber, you are already wearing the inside of the tires more than normal. The combination of excessive negative camber and toe-out can quickly wear the inside of a tire and cause it to fail.
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Originally Posted by hoosierchemist
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