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    Established Member Two Rings
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    DIY: Avant 3rd brake light (high mount light) removal

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    I had a hard time finding any in-depth information on this subject, so when I tackled mine I took some pictures to hopefully make other peoples lives easier! This will also cover how to remove the lift gate trim if you need to to replace any of the electrics.

    You will need to remove the lower section of the interior trim first. In the photo below note that red circles are screws, and red rectangles are spring clips. Two of the screws are located inside the indentations toward the outside of the gate, and two of them can be found in the warning triangle area. I had to remove my triangle to get access to the screws as an FYI.



    Once you remove the lower screws, you can just pull on the trim piece to disengage the spring clips. Even with all the spring clips disengaged and the screws removed the panel will still be held in place by two lock tabs that connect to the trim that goes around the window. I am not sure the best way to get around this other than to pull in the middle of the panel to bow it which should allow the lock tabs to slip off the window trim and remove the panel. I was not aware of these so I used the pull real hard and swear a lot method. It seemed to be fairly successful. Why Audi would choose to lock a panel that needs to be removed to access the fasteners to remove the panel it is secured to is beyond me. That is why I modified the design, which in my opinion as an engineer, was plain stupid.

    The pictures below should help illustrate what I am talking about.






    What I did to make this easier in the future is grind off these silly lock tabs so I can actually remove the panel normally without all the cursing. I have had it on the car like this for a while and the panels fit up snug still and there is not rattling/vibration caused from removing these tabs. I recommend doing this, but you do not have to.

    The upper trim is pretty easy now. Remove the screws exposed at the bottom of the trim piece that were hiding under the lower panel before and then just pull as the rest of the panel is held on by spring clips. I have some images to show where they are so you don't have to guess.





    As you can see there are two spring clips on each side of the window, and four on top. After you remove this trim you can get some access to the back of the light and help coax it out. If you pull on the front of the light, you will most likely break off the lens as it is ridiculously fragile. The spring clips on the light are also VERY tight so it is pretty hard to remove the light. Good luck! Mine would not come out with light coaxing so I just said forget about it and went for the gold.

    Mine looked like this when removed :)



    Luckily I took the trim out so I could vacuum out all the little bits. Also before you put your new light in, put a lot of pressure on the spring clips to make them weaker. They are about 10x stronger than the need to be or else my opening in the sheet metal is at the very minimum of tolerance. This will make it a little easier to remove in the future if you have to, and it will still be plenty strong to secure the light in there.


    If you think it would be wise to fit a B7 brake light in the opening so you do not need to trim your votex spoiler. Think again: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...pics-inside%29


    I put this thread here because I thought it would get viewed more by the people who need it. Also, none of my posts in the DIY section have been approved so I thought it was a waste to post there. Does anyone even run that forum?
    -Nick

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    1991 BMW 325i

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    Veteran Member Four Rings zz2h33's Avatar
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    great write up
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    Veteran Member Four Rings diagnosticator's Avatar
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    The light housing is retained in the the cut out by a metal retainer that slides sideways to release the light housing and allow it's removal toward the outside of the panel.

    REF: Bentley

    Yeah I was wrong about it coming out from the inside, but the retainer needs to be released from the inside.

    BTW, don't feel like the Lone Ranger, I destroyed a 3rd brake light a few years ago trying to remove it too.
    Last edited by diagnosticator; 04-05-2010 at 03:58 PM.

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    Established Member Two Rings
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    Great, hopefully the next person won't have to destroy theirs too now. After I had the light removed I thought the back looked like it could slide...just never tried it since it was already out of the car by that point. Those metal clips are WAY tight though, they should be a little less firm so its easier to remove.
    -Nick

    2004 Avus Silver A4 Avant 1.8T/6MT
    1991 BMW 325i

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    It is guys like you that bring real value to the internet! Thanks a lot!


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    Senior Member Three Rings Batcave's Avatar
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    Very thorough, thanks! I was trying to figure out how to do the same for the last few weeks! This was a great help!

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    Just reassembled this piece, and see it may not be that obvious for those who need to remove it from the inside how these locking clips work. Anyway, here are better pictures:

    http://imgur.com/a/u6G1H

    At least in this A6 4f it seems you don't need to remove the whole inner panels:

    Demontage 3. Bremsligth (teil2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZLUCPkyji0
    Montage 3. bremslicht A6 4f https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGm5v197-ek

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    Veteran Member Three Rings GTA_G20's Avatar
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    So I have my trim off on my hatch. Im assuming I need to buy a complete light assembly not just a bulb. Is this correct?
    B7 avant
    2005 Audi A4 1.8T Quattro(Gone), 2006 Audi A4 Avant 2.0 Quattro(Gone), 2004 Porsche Boxster S 550 Spyder SE, 2012 Audi A4 Quattro

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    Veteran Member Four Rings rcprato's Avatar
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    Can anyone verify that the B8 Avant 3rd Brake Light Removal is similar ?

    Looks like the black plastic piece needs to slide to release pressure on the clips that hold the unit in the opening from watching the YouTube videos ?

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    Hey OP! Can we get a re-up of the images? Pretty please?

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    Veteran Member Four Rings
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    ^^^ Yes, for b7 you need a new assembly. (can be bought from most Audi parts places)
    ^^ Have not done a b8 yet. Would be nice if someone can confirm and post a part number for the LED unit.
    ^ Pictures don't show much, few videos on Youtube show the just of how to do it. I used a small pick to help pick it out.
    2009 Audi A4 avant, ECS CAI, Malone stage 2 tune, etc.
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    Junior Member Two Rings Mar'd's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by davis2003 View Post
    Hey OP! Can we get a re-up of the images? Pretty please?
    +1. Double pretty please with whipped cream and cherries?
    Attempting this task is a good example of how Audi does not design cars to be driven more than 110K miles or so.
    Will that stop me from driving them? No. Never

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