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    Official Letter to Audi of America Executive Vice President...Thoughts?

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    To Whom It May Concern:

    First of all, I want to be respectful of your time and appreciate your consideration for the outlined concerns herein that I, and many other Audi drivers, share.

    As an Audi enthusiast, I have become increasingly frustrated as of late. I purchased my first Audi as soon as I could afford one (after being a loyal VW customer); a used 2004 B6 S4 which I loved. At my first opportunity, I sold the S4 and jumped on a chance to purchase my current B7 RS4 which I was literally dreaming about since I first heard of its release. I purchased it sight-unseen from a dealership in Ohio. I cannot express the immense pleasure I felt seeing the car delivered off the truck. I purchased the car with the intent to drive the car “forever.” By forever, I really believe in the future “classic” value of the car and plan to maintain it for as long as I can as a daily driver, then retiring it to occasional driving to keep the car young. I am continually interested in further releases and have participated in the Audi Enthusiast driving program when it came through Miami. I plan to own future Audis (please bring the RS5 and S4 Avant stateside!!).

    With that being said, I frequent Audizine.com to share my passion with other Audi drivers. The forum is full of people that care in the same way about their Audis, and it is an amazing source to learn and share information. Audizine is just one of many such online communities where a few plaguing issues for the RS4 have started to surface, and more frequently, for other Audi owners with FSI engines as well. While I understand the newer FSI technology has potentially corrected for the carbon build-up issue, many of us with the original implementation have looming issues for our engines.

    I won’t go into too much detail regarding the carbon issue with the FSI engine as I am sure you are aware of the problem. My intention is to communicate the frustration that the Audi community of loyal customers is experiencing with this, and urging your attention. With the nature of the issue being more of a question of “when” rather than “if,” many of us are wondering what to do…especially as we are the most loyal and own our cars, and many of us are being turned away at the local level when we approach the dealerships about this issue.

    I can tell you that for me personally, the problem might not be as advanced as for some, but I am still a very concerned owner. My car did start to misfire on cold-starts at around 30k miles, and my local dealership “updated” my ECU and blamed that as the problem. I’ve researched and read enough to be at least skeptical of this as a resolution. There is some question as to whether Audi is simply making the ECU less sensitive and ignoring the larger issue of carbon-buildup as the cause. I know for some owners, after repeated visits to Audi for misfired, they forced to removing the intake manifolds themselves (or footing the cost), and even after this and providing significant documentation (pictures, etc) Audi still claimed that the problem was not “advanced” enough for the issue to be their responsibility.

    I know Audi has worked hard and for over a decade to overcome their image as a stodgy and lack-of-quality-plagued brand. This re-imaging of Audi as a young, sporty, modern brand was achieved in-part by the role all of us on the Audi community; some of who are on their 4th, 5th or 6th Audi. We are the “mavens” that are critical for a company to hit a “tipping point,” which Audi has clearly crossed. As enthusiasts or “mavens,” we have strong influence in our respective social circles when it comes to car buying and conversation. I can tell you since buying my first Audi, I have influenced 2 of my 3 business partners into buying Audi’s (A6 and A3), and most recently, a friend of mine just put in an order on the newest A3 last night.

    All we are asking for is an official statement from Audi about what they understand about this issue and what they are working on to resolve it. I’m asking as a concerned Audi loyalist. I know that everyone has their own “tipping point,” and there is a lot of murmur and chat in these online communities about dissatisfaction, frustration and potential banding for protests or worse, class action lawsuits.

    Again, I really appreciate your time and kind consideration. I look forward to hearing from you, but more importantly, I look forward to relaying any positive reassurance I can get from you to your most loyal customers. Thanks.

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    Nice to see that people are contacting AoA for this. Step in the right direction; well written and to the point.

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    Want me to hand deliver it on my lunch break? I pass by the bldg on my way to/from work.
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    You're intending on snail mailing this rather than e-mail, correct?
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    Thanks for you well written and thought out letter... I anxiously await their repsonse!
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    I was planning on emailing (with a link to the megathread started), and also send a letter through snail mail as well.

    If Haenszl20V wants to hand deliver one that would be great lol!! I know the address for the EVP is in Virginia though....

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    one thing to consider about 'going public'
    it may do more harm than good...it puts their back against the wall and in a defensive posture...
    it also removes all incentive for them to negotiate since the 'cats out of the bag'
    at that point they almost have to deny the issue, and make you prove it valid...

    I am really surprised at the lack of print in mainstream publications on this issue, if it's as bad as some think...
    I would think a good 'front man' for this may be the Audi Club of America
    why ahsn't anyone started a website like Jason did for the e46 M3 engine...perhaps a combined one for DRC/deposits

    as far as your letter:
    you are asking them to admit it's a problem...they do not consider it one, you will never get them to admit liability...the best will be 'we are looking into it'
    imho, NEVER mention lawsuit, everyone knows that is an option, so it doesn't need said...it comes across as a threat
    they will never give specifics, it may haunt them someday in court...it will be general, vague and feel good stuff...
    you are accusing them of fraud/deceit concerning the ECU rev to 'hide' issues (actually it was an upgrade to track ecu revisions and maintenance better, it's on the NHSTA website)
    you also accuse them of being of poor quality in the past and imply threat to impact their sales effort by action (or inaction)
    imho I would not try to convey your 'feelings', they don't give a rats ass about them, lol
    stick to the facts: deposits are forming and appear to impact power/drivability (if that is your position/concern): do you consider it an issue? if so waht is the plan...if no, then the next step must be taken

    they KNOW all this, they have gotten many letters, they have people that do nothing but read the websites...

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    Very well written Monty. Maybe we should consider putting names of owners on a list as well? I think the hand delivered approch souds great. Anxiously awaiting results!
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    the only way to get this solved is to unite and start a class action lawsuit.. i don't think telling them about a bunch of enthusiasts on a website is going to help much, especially if they don't know whose who and whether they're valid claims or not.. just my thoughts.

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    To your point:

    they KNOW all this, they have gotten many letters, they have people that do nothing but read the websites...

    This is exactly why I wanted kindly communicate that the community is growing wary...They have heard that its in issue (they know the issue)...I want them to hear that we are getting close to the point of actually taking public action. I think they've had plenty of time. Yes, I am threatening to some degree, but that is also the intent.

    I appreciate your position on conveying "feelings," and respectfully disagree. It is a personal letter from a loyalist, not from an attorney. If they do not want to appreciate what a loyalist's feelings or concerns are, then it just makes it that much easier for me to change my loyalty. The letter is as much for me as it is for them. If they dont "give a rats ass about them," it will surely come across in their response, or lack thereof. I'm a big boy...I will take that and my sphere of influence with me if that is really the case.

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    I am willing to do my part in a class action lawsuit. I have no problem compiling a list of names to attach to the letter/email...

    If people want to start PMing with names/addresses, etc...I will incorporate it into the letter. I am also reaching out to my attorney/friend for some consultation about what would be involved with a class action.

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    You know with the whole Toyota Recall thing going on... they might look at this just another way for community to get the money out of Them... I don't know.

    I just bought an 07 rs4 and if i'm planing on keeping it, i would like to make sure they do something about the carbon... so whatever you need, i'll back you up and help out any way I can.

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    SOMETIMES the spectre of a suit is enough...depending on the merits of the case...
    a letter from a lawyer might be a better first step, they will turn it over to legal, and the discussions will begin

    all an individual will get is a polite form letter...
    with a lawyer involved they at least know you are serious and will expend resources to make your point...
    remember, they have lawyers on staff, and big firms on retainer, basically unlimted resources...if it takes $3000 to 'fix' (if it's broken and a fix can be established, it may be routine cleanings, say one/20k miles up to 100k) each of 2500 cars
    ~7.5 mil, they can buy a shyteload of legal time for 1/10th of that...can an individual ante up $750k to make a case for 20HP or so on a 50k car? they are betting NOT

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    Monty...with all due respect,I completely agree with ArthurPE as far as mentioning anything related to class action suit or the like. I work for a high end boiler and heating equipment mfg( a German company as well) and we are subject to threats of litigation and lawsuits on a regular basis and I can tell you that anytime the words "class action lawsuit" comes up(no matter how politely and non-threatening it may be) in conversation or email we are instructed to immediatly cease communication and direct the complaint to our legal dept. It will more than likely,imo,make them feel as if their back is againt the wall and will then take on a defensive posture.

    Just my 2c.

    I applaud your effort....good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mad70sx View Post
    Monty...with all due respect,I completely agree with ArthurPE as far as mentioning anything related to class action suit or the like. I work for a high end boiler and heating equipment mfg( a German company as well) and we are subject to threats of litigation and lawsuits on a regular basis and I can tell you that anytime the words "class action lawsuit" comes up(no matter how politely and non-threatening it may be) in conversation or email we are instructed to immediatly cease communication and direct the complaint to our legal dept. It will more than likely,imo,make them feel as if their back is againt the wall and will then take on a defensive posture.

    Just my 2c.
    What if I take the lawsuit language out for now and replace with:

    We are requesting an official statement from Audi about what they understand about this issue, what they are working on to resolve it, and what recourse is available to customers who experience this issue. I’m asking as a concerned Audi loyalist, who along with others would love nothing more than to continue buying audis and encouraging others to do the same. We feel that this level of loyalty deserves a certain level of reciprocation when issues like this present themselves. Putting our fears to rest on this issue would make a strong statement about your company’s commitment to its customers, and would restore much of our waning faith that Audi deserves our ongoing financial and vocal support.

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    Since I will be leaving for the weekend, I think I should wait and send this letter on Monday and allow for people to PM me their contact info for inclusion in the letter (and ask that a formal response be sent to all).

    Also - if anyone is active on other communities...please make sure everyone sees this thread and sends me their info if they would like to receive an official response as well. Hopefully between now and Monday morning will be enough time for anyone who wants to be included to let me know.

    If you want a formal response sent to you via mail, please include your mailing address as well. Obviously this will be held confidentially and not released to anyone. If personal emails are included, I will send email updates out, if any.

    To the extent you feel comfortable, please send info in the following format:

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    FYI, I was in the process of creating a website to gather information from owners. It's not quite finished and I stopped about 2 weeks ago due to lack of time, but I can finish it up if needed. I just don't know how quickly.
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    You may want to post this over here as well. http://www.euroaddiction.net/forum/f...splay.php?f=34

    There seems to be a large contingency of RS owners over there.
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    Thanks...Just posted on EuroAddiction....

    MrPerfect...maybe you can get the site up over the next few weeks. I imagine it will be necessary if we need to get to any sort of unified action outside of my initial letter. I'm really hoping it doesn't get there...

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    There are a few typos, proofread it, but great step towards hopefully getting them to respond.
    I know for some owners, after repeated visits to Audi for misfired, they forced to removing the intake manifolds themselves (or footing the cost)

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    doubt that aoa will give a response

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    Here is what the VP’s response may look like.
    __________________________________________________ ______________________

    Dear Audi enthusiast.
    Unfortunately for you we are the biggest car company on the planet, you and your enthusiast friends represent a tiny fraction of our overall global customer base. Any type of negative sales that we might experience due to your actions on this issue will represent nothing more then a rounding error in our 114 Billion Euros revenue column in out accounting books.

    Also I don’t know about Audi past, and don’t care about its future, most executives hop from one company to another every 2 years, this is my 4th car company and 9th job as an exec, I’m only 32.

    It is 68 times cheaper to fight you in court then to fix the so called “issue” you mentioned.
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    Long story short, you should just sue them, and not bother with this letter, remember “actions speak louder then words”
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    Quote Originally Posted by mad70sx View Post
    Monty...with all due respect,I completely agree with ArthurPE as far as mentioning anything related to class action suit or the like. I work for a high end boiler and heating equipment mfg( a German company as well) and we are subject to threats of litigation and lawsuits on a regular basis and I can tell you that anytime the words "class action lawsuit" comes up(no matter how politely and non-threatening it may be) in conversation or email we are instructed to immediatly cease communication and direct the complaint to our legal dept. It will more than likely,imo,make them feel as if their back is againt the wall and will then take on a defensive posture.

    Just my 2c.

    I applaud your effort....good luck.
    that is pretty much SOP for any company...if the words 'sue', 'litigate', 'see you in court', etc. are uttered, we cease to communicate without a lawyer present...
    we will walk out of the meeting at that moment...
    if they want to negotiate, let's negotiate, if they want to litigate, do so, but with our lawyer and a court, not an engineer/manager...
    if they try to 'make their case' and change our minds, 'convince us we are wrong', we walk, we are not argueing the case, we are making an offer/counter offer...
    we obviously disagree or we would not be at this point, we ain't changing our mind, nor you yours (unless it 'makes it go away' or is within the parameters we previously established as an acceptable resolution)...

    we refuse to make an arguement or expose our position or strategy until it counts, with a judge or jury, why tip them off to our response/actions, so they can be better prepared to refute/contest them?

    this is not complicated, it is Sun Tzu, negotiations 101

    we know this:
    Audi is aware of the issue
    they will not comment
    they have unlimited resources and will try to 'break' the guy who takes them on
    they will buy time, delay, stall, anything to try to break your will to fight
    their decision will be purely financial and in their best interest, not yours... (they may, or may not coincide)
    if you 'push', they will push back harder, and the guns are on their side

    imo mr perfect has the correct approach: persistent, and only wants a fix, no hard ball...hard ball won't work...
    even if you are 'right', they will fight...I was amazed at the $$$ BMW spent to fight me, it would have been cheaper, by far, to give me what I wanted...in the long run, 3 times as much, and I got MORE than I wanted...you are playing with your $$$, they are playing with a huge pot of someone elses...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpunklil View Post
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    I love when the middle school kids chime in.

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    I just think it's funny that everybody is putting their 2 cents into YOUR letter. Send the damn thing out, it's not going to fix your car nor anybody else. Factories don't care, you should have seen the bullshit I dealt with on my 04 CTS-V. THAT was a cluster, at least you can clean your carbon out, you cant exactly weld up a differential that shatters into ten pieces. Hell you couldn't even get just the cases. I personally ended up accepting that it was just a quirk with the car, as you all should too. Consider it part of your routine. You win some, you lose more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpunklil View Post
    I just think it's funny that everybody is putting their 2 cents into YOUR letter. Send the damn thing out, it's not going to fix your car nor anybody else. Factories don't care, you should have seen the bullshit I dealt with on my 04 CTS-V. THAT was a cluster, at least you can clean your carbon out, you cant exactly weld up a differential that shatters into ten pieces. Hell you couldn't even get just the cases. I personally ended up accepting that it was just a quirk with the car, as you all should too. Consider it part of your routine. You win some, you lose more.
    Try reading the title of his post again. He is asking for opinions. Reading is funduhmental,dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MontyRS View Post
    I love when the middle school kids chime in.
    I completely agree. That comment wasn't helpful. Please don't derail the discussion by making comments like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalS4Avant View Post
    I completely agree. That comment wasn't helpful. Please don't derail the discussion by making comments like this.
    What's the square root of nothing? Who cares. Your car isn't going to get fixed.

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    ^^ Are you gaining something from making these posts? I'm not particularly interested nor do I care about the FSI issue as I'm not affected; however, I don't see the point of continually chiming in here with that sort of commenting.

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    definitely a step in the right direction. lets hope for a constrictive dialogue to resolve this issue.
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    Guys...I've only receieved about 5 requests to be on the letter, with some of the more active AZers absent (MrPerfect , RS4Power and others). I think we can really show some strength in numbers. Where are all the concerned owners that were encouraging of this letter??

    Please don't respond if you are not a) concerned owner, b) think this is a waste of time or c) have a childish remark to make.
    Last edited by MontyRS; 02-27-2010 at 07:05 AM.

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    Should I be on it if I'm just going to write my own anyway? Again, this next week will be critical for my mood in dealing with Audi further so I'd rather abstain from this at this time.
    Tons of Audis, Tons of Mustangs. That's just how I am.

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    Don't bother using the Bx notation, they probably won't know what that is. Too technical.

    Otherwise, I'd say it looks good.
    now: 2021 Mercedes AMG C63 S, 2017 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrPerfect View Post
    Should I be on it if I'm just going to write my own anyway? Again, this next week will be critical for my mood in dealing with Audi further so I'd rather abstain from this at this time.
    Yes.

    And when you write your letter we will be there for yours also.

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    Established Member Two Rings MontyRS's Avatar
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    I'm excited to say I've gotten in touch with rs4power via email and having constructive dialogue about a united legal effort. With his involvement at QW we should start to get some good numbers. For those that want to be included, pm me your contact info as stated above.

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    I would like to see PESAPC become a star in our pursuit of this. Judging from the way he carries himself here I am sure AoA would not want him nagging them too much.

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    Suggestion - include the VIN of the Audis you own and have owned. When we had several issues with our 2004 Touareg I listed the 3 VWs and 8 Audis I had previously owned by VIN as well as referenced the deposit I had on my RS4 at the time. I got great results with that letter.

    Listing the vehicles like that helps show you are a real owner and that you're a repeat buyer. Also, you don't have to mention that you bought your 2004 S4 used.

    Something like "I have owned a 1988 Jetta (VIN xxxxxxxxxx), 1995 Jetta (VIN xxxxxxxxxx), 2004 Audi S4 (VIN xxxxxxxxxxx), and currently own a 2007 Audi RS4 (VIN xxxxxxxxxxxx)..."
    John
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    RS4 REGISTRY

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    It's your letter, so ultimately the tone and interaction with Audi is set by you. IMHO, if you're dealing with a North American Exec, then you're not going to get a meaningful response. However, if you email and address your letter to Johan de Nysschen, Vice President in charge of Audi Customer Care (or check his most current title) and email to him also at: [email protected]

    Audi North America - 800 367-2834 Audi of America
    customer care 1800 822-2834 m-f 8-8 eastern time
    Audi of America
    2200 Ferdinand Porsche Drive
    Herndon, VA 20171 usa

    then you might have a shot at getting something accomplished. I would also print out high resolution pictures of RS4 carbon buildup pictures from many of these AZ thread and include them as attachments to your letter. "A picture is worth a thousand words." I would also get the current emails and addresses for Car and Driver, Motortrend, Road and Traffic, Automobile Magazine, Audi Tuner, (and go to Barnes and Noble or Borders that has an extensive European Magazine section and get those "letters to the editor" emails and addresses) and put at the bottom of your letter.

    cc: Car and Driver, [email protected] (or whatever it is)
    Automobile Magazine, email...
    Road and Track Magazine, email...
    Motortrend Magazine, email....

    This lets Audi know that you've done your homework, and that bad publicity will follow is they don't address the issue. I would also provide the color photos in the copies of your letter that you send to Audi of North America. I hate to say it, but it is true that Audi has been seriously thumbing it's nose in the customer's face here, and since FSI is also used in their bread and butter A4's, A6's, and exotic R8's etc, then they should have done something to address this problem a long time ago. The powerful do not pay out their profit unless FORCED to, and bad publicity is a major force. Just ask Toyota. Arguably, purchasing one of these carbon infected Audi's is as bad or worse than buying a Toyota that could have had an accelerator problem (but was fixed by a RESPONSIBLE manufacturer under recall) b/c you don't know how bad the condition of your FSI Audi is, when it will start throwing CEL's, and whether Audi will say f-u if you bought it used under warranty b/c they'll argue the prior owner "used bad gas" or some other crap like that. You send that letter, with copies to those magazines, and you should get a response.

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    FarmerBob and Jstahmann...Great ideas. I was in fact going to be addressing the letter to Johan de Nysschen. While I like all that you recommended, does it seem too threatening to cc all of the car mags out there in an "initial" request/letter? Especially if we might be somewhat successful as Jstahmann suggests? If we don't get a favorable initial response, I think sending a follow up letter with cc's to the mags makes some sense.

    At the end of the day I'm sure all of us recognize that we are not going to get a "fix" at this point, but I would love to see Audi step in and allow those of us concerned owners on the letter to get our cars inspected/cleaned. At least after that we can install a catch can and somewhat mitigate/contain the issue.

    As a reminder...if you are interested in being included in the letter...Please PM me.

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