anyone have a built 3.2L TT??

**BITRBO** · 02-05-2010 11:23 AM

The old man just got an '05 TT S-Line w/ the 3.2L, and he wants a little more power out of the engine. I searched the archives but didn't really find much. I know the most popular solution is an F/I kit, but we want to stay N/A. Just looking for a solid 300hp or better, which I'm sure totally possible with some head work and upgraded interternals.

Any help/direction would be greatly appreciated.

TIA!

**onlyaudis** · 02-05-2010 12:10 PM

from what I have seen at the various forums, the 6 cylinder non turbo Audi engines are not easy to coax more power out of in any way that makes sense, besides an exhaust and intake and a few more hP from a software flash, not much else you can do. You can probably get it up to 275HP-280 with the Revo chip listed below, an intake, and a full exhaust.

http://www.revotechnik.com/products/....aspx?pvID=634

Its not like the old days where you port the heads, do cams, etc. If you go that route, then you need custom software to run it as well.

**BITRBO** · 02-05-2010 01:05 PM

That's strange.... From what I've read the VR6 is definitely a solid engine, and can handle high-boost applications pretty well. That tells me that there is meat on the block, probably enough to bore it at least 0.2 over on the cylinders. That with some nice high-compression pistons, port & polished heads, a better cam w/ upgrade valves, and a custom tune to wrap it up. Essentially it'd be a VR6 on 'roids, but still nothing crazy... Just a nice high-reving little V6, with about 300-350CHP.

**onlyaudis** · 02-05-2010 02:09 PM

I think the issue is it already has high compression pistons and a a fairly aggressive cam.

**HardPark'd TT** · 02-05-2010 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by onlyaudis

I think the issue is it already has high compression pistons and a a fairly aggressive cam.

Same dilemma in the e46 m3 world. HPF blew motor after motor until they got it right.

**chrislane31** · 02-05-2010 06:15 PM

Search for HPA, lmk I can get a deal on their stuff

**Sandeman** · 02-05-2010 08:11 PM

HPA has built a TwinTurbo TT... major HP that puts out!

as for bolt ons:
exhaust, well get rid of the cats and confront over populated muffler design..Cams are a great way aswell...intake and software

**BITRBO** · 02-12-2010 09:04 AM

Okay, so we're most likely looking at going with bolt-on's, and here is the breakdown:

REVO / GIAC ECU Software: ~$350
REVO / GIAC TCU Software: ~$550
Cams (24V VR6 – 264*/260*): ~$795
Milltek Cat-Back Exhaust: $999
Milltek HiFlow Cat Assembly: $1399
Cold-Air Intake: $299

Total Cost = ~$4,400k
Total Power = 285-290CHP (maybe 300CHP); ~250WHP
Dollar-to-Power Ratio = ~$110/HP

Do these numbers/assumptions sound about right? And can someone with a 3.2-equipped TT tell me if they feel the cost was worth the 40-50 extra HP?

TIA!

**BITRBO** · 02-12-2010 09:08 AM

Just thinking kinda crazy, "outside the box" here: Does anyone think it would be possible (read: not exorbitantly expensive or difficult) to swap a 3.6L FSI engine from a Passat or Touareg? These are rated at 290/300hp I think, and one can probably be found fairly cheap at a junk yard (certainly less than $4,400....) The obvious concern would be if engine actually fit in the car and the AT would match up. A custom exhaust and tune would obviously be required...

Discuss

**Mantvis** · 02-12-2010 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by BITRBO

Just thinking kinda crazy, "outside the box" here: Does anyone think it would be possible (read: not exorbitantly expensive or difficult) to swap a 3.6L FSI engine from a Passat or Touareg? These are rated at 290/300hp I think, and one can probably be found fairly cheap at a junk yard (certainly less than $4,400....) The obvious concern would be if engine actually fit in the car and the AT would match up. A custom exhaust and tune would obviously be required...

Discuss

to swap engines LEGALY it has to be from the same chasis

**BITRBO** · 02-12-2010 09:54 AM

huh? you mean "legally" with regards to the United States government, or with VW/Audi? And even then, motor swaps are done all the time... USP is running a turbo'd VR6 in their B5 S4, and those cars never came with a VR6 motor.

**Brentmeister7592** · 02-12-2010 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by BITRBO

huh? you mean "legally" with regards to the United States government, or with VW/Audi? And even then, motor swaps are done all the time... USP is running a turbo'd VR6 in their B5 S4, and those cars never came with a VR6 motor.

Well that VR6 motor is from their VR6 jetta that they have sitting in the showroom. You have to remember that it is a shop car so the money wasn't really an issue. Therefore, they were able to put such a motor in that car. As far as the legality of the motor, I think he is talking about it in the "car world" terms.

**diabolical1** · 02-14-2010 04:31 AM

Originally Posted by BITRBO

Just thinking kinda crazy, "outside the box" here: Does anyone think it would be possible (read: not exorbitantly expensive or difficult) to swap a 3.6L FSI engine from a Passat or Touareg? These are rated at 290/300hp I think, and one can probably be found fairly cheap at a junk yard (certainly less than $4,400....) The obvious concern would be if engine actually fit in the car and the AT would match up. A custom exhaust and tune would obviously be required...

Discuss

possible? sure, but aren't those engines longitudinally mounted? i would suspect, at the least, mounting would pose a hurdle. i think you should stick to your original plan with the bolt-ons. if it were me, i'd probably invest in a port job instead of the top dollar exhaust, and simply buy the parts (collectors tubings, race cats, etc.) and have an exhaust system custom built for me. if at the end of it all you still feel you want more, then build the bottom end for more displacement.

**Sandeman** · 02-15-2010 05:07 AM

Originally Posted by Brentmeister759

Well that VR6 motor is from their VR6 jetta that they have sitting in the showroom. You have to remember that it is a shop car so the money wasn't really an issue. Therefore, they were able to put such a motor in that car. As far as the legality of the motor, I think he is talking about it in the "car world" terms.

not to mention as well, that the internals of that Jetta VR6 is a 12v NOT a 24v as available in the MK1 & MK2 TT 3.2L. so therefore the internals are most def different.
The layout of the motor is a huge difference as well when youre comparing them, our 3.2 VR6 lays transverse, while the one in the b5 lays longitudinal.

**diabolical1** · 02-15-2010 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by TTMK2_TJ

The layout of the motor is a huge difference as well when youre comparing them, our 3.2 VR6 lays transverse, while the one in the b5 lays longitudinal.

from what i understand, that's the issue with mounting them. even though, the engine is longitudinally mounted in the B5, it was transversally mounted in the Jetta. there is no provision for the right- (if i recall) side mount, so one has to get creative to mount one in a B5, and that is what i was alluding to with the suggestion of mounting a Passat or Touareg engine in a TT. i mean, i understand, that it's sort of opposite in this case because you have a mounting point present, but fabrication may be necessary. it's just a point to consider.

**Brentmeister7592** · 02-16-2010 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by TTMK2_TJ

not to mention as well, that the internals of that Jetta VR6 is a 12v NOT a 24v as available in the MK1 & MK2 TT 3.2L. so therefore the internals are most def different.
The layout of the motor is a huge difference as well when youre comparing them, our 3.2 VR6 lays transverse, while the one in the b5 lays longitudinal.

Yes, they are very different. I have spent alot of time with all the guys at the shop and alot of time next to the car. Its a totally different motor then the "new" 3.2 that they use in our cars. But I hope someone can come up with a build on the "new" 3.2. If you can't find it on our audi, im sure you can find it on a R32.

**034Motorsport** · 02-16-2010 09:07 PM

It's going to be very pricey to build a powerful NA 24V VR6...

Add a turbo to the mix, and you're in for a treat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOoLp...layer_embedded

This engine is longitudinally mounted in a B5 chassis using our mounts, flywheel, starter, and a number of in-house fabricated items, but you get the idea.

A GT35R is a perfectly sized turbo for a 3.2L 24V on stock internals, and there are a few companies now that provide chip tuning solutions for turbocharged cars still running the factory ECU.

**034Motorsport** · 02-17-2010 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by BITRBO

Just thinking kinda crazy, "outside the box" here: Does anyone think it would be possible (read: not exorbitantly expensive or difficult) to swap a 3.6L FSI engine from a Passat or Touareg? These are rated at 290/300hp I think, and one can probably be found fairly cheap at a junk yard (certainly less than $4,400....) The obvious concern would be if engine actually fit in the car and the AT would match up. A custom exhaust and tune would obviously be required...

Discuss

We actually just tuned a Mk4 Jetta which had a 3.6L bottom end, modified to accept the R32/3.2L TT head. This allows you to keep the existing ME7 harness and ECU that comes with your car.

Converting to the FSI 3.6L head, direct injection fueling, and ME9 ECU from the Touareg would be a nightmare.

Here's a dyno of the car, it also had a full exhaust and Techtonics 24V cams:

As you can see, it makes a ton more power than the 3.2L 24V everywhere.

**Sandeman** · 02-17-2010 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Brentmeister759

Yes, they are very different. I have spent alot of time with all the guys at the shop and alot of time next to the car. Its a totally different motor then the "new" 3.2 that they use in our cars. But I hope someone can come up with a build on the "new" 3.2. If you can't find it on our audi, im sure you can find it on a R32.

there was someone going to turbo our VR6 24v, BUT the car was involved in a car accident that ending up being a total loss, thus the shop ended up giving up on the build... if i remember it correctly, it was a blue mk2 3.2 coupe, front filler plate, 19" optional OE wheels...

**diabolical1** · 02-18-2010 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Laszlo@034

We actually just tuned a Mk4 Jetta which had a 3.6L bottom end, modified to accept the R32/3.2L TT head. This allows you to keep the existing ME7 harness and ECU that comes with your car.

how involved was the physical mounting of the block to the Jetta?

**BITRBO** · 03-01-2010 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by Laszlo@034

We actually just tuned a Mk4 Jetta which had a 3.6L bottom end, modified to accept the R32/3.2L TT head. This allows you to keep the existing ME7 harness and ECU that comes with your car.

Converting to the FSI 3.6L head, direct injection fueling, and ME9 ECU from the Touareg would be a nightmare.

Here's a dyno of the car, it also had a full exhaust and Techtonics 24V cams:

As you can see, it makes a ton more power than the 3.2L 24V everywhere.

Very interesting Laszlo - I'm so glad you chimed in! So my next question would be, do you think this swap would be possible in the TT chassis, or is the engine mounted differently (transversely vs. longitudinally)? And did that MK4 Jetta have AWD, or just FWD?

Thanks!

p.s. assuming a 15% DT loss, did your Jetta make about 317hp/307ft-lbs at the crank?

**BITRBO** · 03-10-2010 10:01 AM

bump for 034 response

**amhobbs** · 03-11-2010 12:07 PM

Hi Guys,

It's my first post here...
My daily driver is a Mk1 3.2 with Turbo!
I got 330 hp on the dyno.
Cost of mod: 11K CAD

Runs great, no trouble with S4 & M3's anymore.
It's very funny to see the driver's faces when they just can't catch-up!

:)

Cheers

Andre