Man released from prison, per Gov Huckabee, kills cops... Who's at fault?

[Ewok_Fetus]

Not sure if anyone has heard, should be national news right now... But 4 local police were shot and killed this Sunday. The suspect had a long history of fighting with cops, raping a child and apparently a long list of other things... Needless to say, he was a violent man... A while back, Gov Huckabee let this man go from an Arkansas prison, then the suspect moved back to Washington state. He got out of jail last week too.

Now, people are blaming Huckabee for letting this guy go... Now people are saying HUCKABEE should be the one to be punished... WTF? I do not agree... I do agree this fuck stick should have been hung/electrocuted/injected/shot to death long ago though... But blame it on Huckabee? C'mon now!

So, do you think Huckabee should be held accountable? I don't... You cannot control another person's actions...

Also, too many police have been targets the past few months here in Washington... IIRC, this is the 3rd or 4th incident of killing police just in the past couple of months here...

[audi til I die]

DUDE! I was about to post this. I was surprised no one had yet.... WTF

[Ewok_Fetus]

DUDE! I was about to post this. I was surprised no one had yet.... WTF

Yeah, I am surprised it hadn't floated around here yet too! I believe though, that since the cops watch over us, we should help and return the favor... Do so within reason/responsibility though!!

EDIT: I will however, let you be the first to post that Obama's approval rating is well under 50% now! :)

[sean1.8t]

he let a violent child rapping criminal out of prison? why? how long did he serve?

i'd be blaming both at this point

[audi til I die]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,577691,00.html


and to no surprise:

He also recently was arrested and charged in Washington state for assaulting a police officer, and second-degree rape of a child. Using a bail bondsman, he posted $150,000 and was released from jail last week.

WTF?

[Slow4]

So, do you think Huckabee should be held accountable? I don't... You cannot control another person's actions...

We are in agreement.

I haven't done too much reading on the subject but what was the reason Huckabee released the POS?

EDIT: Found why he was commuted.

In 1989, Clemmons, then 17, was convicted in Little Rock for aggravated robbery. He was paroled in 2000 after Huckabee commuted Clemmons' 95-year prison sentence. Huckabee, who was criticized during his run for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008 for granting many clemencies and commutations, cited Clemmons' youth. Clemmons later violated his parole, was returned to prison and released in 2004.

Youth offender. This is why I believe youth offenders who commit rape, murder or aggravated assault with malicious intent should be charged as an adult! The whole "youth mindset" arguement is a thing of the past, times change and so does the civilization present in it.

[audi til I die]

he let a violent child rapping criminal out of prison? why? how long did he serve?

i'd be blaming both at this point

That was recent, he got the 150k bail out of jail. I don't understand how this happened

[Ewok_Fetus]

All I know is I am keeping my eye out for him... I hang out in that area quite often... Being right next to the base... Apparently, he has been seen at the UW Medical Center... But there have also been a couple of false leads already... From what I have been reading, he is hurt and dropped his gun at the scene... (Note that he had this gun illegally...)

[S4jet]

In 1989, Clemmons, then 17, was convicted in Little Rock for aggravated robbery. He was paroled in 2000 after Huckabee commuted Clemmons' 95-year prison sentence. Huckabee, who was criticized during his run for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008 for granting many clemencies and commutations, cited Clemmons' youth. Clemmons later violated his parole, was returned to prison and released in 2004.

if the only thing on his record was the aggravated robbery than maybe it would be okay. when did he commit the other crimes like the rape?

[Slow4]

if the only thing on his record was the aggravated robbery than maybe it would be okay. when did he commit the other crimes like the rape?

I would assume 2004.

[Dylan]

i voted for Partially.

taking into consideration the criminal's age is all well and good - but that can't be the deciding factor in releasing someone who has a history of violent bad acts, especially when said criminal has spent 40% of their life IN JAIL WITH OTHER VIOLENT OFFENDERS. not exactly the breeding ground for positive role models.

[GQ//S4]

I'm boiling mad about this guy. This makes the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th Policeman murdered since October 31. They currently have him surrounded in his home, and I truely hope the swat team members don't let him make it to trial.

[wolfdog]

Yep, national news. Didn't know the Huckabee thing, though, since I don't really watch the news just flip through it. Of course the media will try to bring in Huckabee to get ratings, that's all it ever really is about. One question - did Huckabee let him and others go because of budget issues or was it only this guy for some random reason?

[OverSpun]

Crazy. I guess this a local news thing, cause its not on tv here, but whats happening now?

I voted Partial.... Someone like this should not have been released, but obviously you cant control someone elses actions.

It stems to poor judgement as an authoritative figure, and even worse judgement on this guys part that sounds like he's about to get capped at his house.

[Slow4]

One question - did Huckabee let him and others go because of budget issues or was it only this guy for some random reason?

Im betting it was because of this statement:

He was 16-years old when he committed the crimes that landed him in prison.

He told the parole board that he wanted to turn his life around. He stated in his papers that the "angel of death" visited his mother while he was in prison and he was changed by the fact that he did not have a chance to prove to her that he could be a productive citizen.

Clemmons also professed his Christian faith.

http://www.examiner.com/x-25653-FBI-...n-records-show

[supercooloptw]

I voted Partial.... Someone like this should not have been released, but obviously you cant control someone elses actions.

+1

[MattzWarsteiner]

voted. At least Gov Huckabee is being honest about it.

[Sales@RAI]

That's sad, he said he turned his life around. It's guys like him that screw it over for the rest of the violent offenders that are truly sorry and would never hurt anyone again

[Tugboatguy]

This article is better
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...nsought29.html
He had 5 felony convictions in Arkansas, and was released by Huckabee despite protests by prosecutors.

[Dylan]

and now he's dead.

[Ewok_Fetus]

and now he's dead.

Yep! Woke up this morning to the great news! Justice has been served the way it should have been....

Guess he stole a car last night and bailed... Cop found car, started reporting it in while Clemons was trying to sneak up behind the cop, possibly to kill... Cop got out and told the guy to stop, guy started to run around the cop, cop shoots, kills guy... They found a gun from one of the Lakewood cops that he killed, on his person...

Good shit this guy is gone!

[marty was here]

voted. At least Gov Huckabee is being honest about it.

+1 on this, but i gotta be honest, if he hadnt "set him free" the liberal rights sectors would have eaten him alive.

i cant stand behind huckabee on this one; but im gonna play devil's advocate, it was racist if he hadnt let him go, and now its not? hindsight is a mother******

[Slow4]

Yep! Woke up this morning to the great news! Justice has been served the way it should have been....

I believe this to be an on-going nationwide trend. Makes me feel a little more on edge while working

[94jedi]

I say partially to blame. Huck shouldn't have let him out, but then again, he was just doing what hundreds of Liberal judges have done before him. Mike Huckabee is not the only one this has happened to. We're only hearing about it because of the media's left wing agenda.

Having said that, both should be to blame, Huck partially. Should he pay some price (jail time, etc)? no, but this stigma should live with him for some time and it will.

[brownishwater]

I just saw they killed this guy.

[SupaSlowA4]

I just saw they killed this guy.

I was watching the news this morning and I guess in addition to killing the guy, they have also arrested several other people in association to the killings, such as the getaway driver.

[mallrat]

I've gotta place a bit of blame on the state of Washington. I don't see how a guy with his record should even be eligible for parole.

Sounds like they're arresting everyone who helped hide him. Good for them.

[Glassnpowder98]

If I have my facts straight, this guy has commited multiple crimes since Huckabee commuted his sentence. If that's the case, there need to be stricter laws in place so that he either can't post bail (which he was out on bail when he killed the 4 cops) and/or should have been thrown back in jail immediately to finish out his commuted sentence. I mean shit, if you're set to go back on trial for raping a child and in court obviously someone is going to mention the 95 year sentence you already got out of, no shit they are going to go to extreme measures to not end up back in jail, ie kill 4 cops. The legal system has made me sick in this case...

[SupaSlowA4]

Slow down the war on drugs, use the money to fund heart disease research, and propose more strict laws for violent offenses. I honestly think that would solve alot of theproblems in the U.S. Slowing down the WOD would reserve space in jail for violent offenders, give police more time to devote catching the real criminals, and save a TON of money. I think that drug use should be considered a secondary offense so that if a person is caught doing something criminal while under the influence or because of addiction then it is an additional offense. Leave the ethical crackhead and potheads alone, they aren't hurting anyone but themselves. And on heart disease... We spend >1000x more money fighting terrorism which kills around 150 americans a year. Where as heart disease a leading cause of death in the US taking hundreds of thousands of live a year. And I think everyone can agree that severe penalties should be given to violent offenders. I just recently had a friend get ran over by a car because he was with a girl another kid "liked". The suspect in the case is getting a felony hit and run. Where as in my opinon it should be attempted homicide with a deadly weapon.

[marty was here]

If I have my facts straight, this guy has commited multiple crimes since Huckabee commuted his sentence. If that's the case, there need to be stricter laws in place so that he either can't post bail (which he was out on bail when he killed the 4 cops) and/or should have been thrown back in jail immediately to finish out his commuted sentence. I mean shit, if you're set to go back on trial for raping a child and in court obviously someone is going to mention the 95 year sentence you already got out of, no shit they are going to go to extreme measures to not end up back in jail, ie kill 4 cops. The legal system has made me sick in this case...

BUT THEY ARE UNFAIR TO THE OPPRESSED AND DISADVANTAGED BLACK MAN
- the liberal arguement


THEY SHOULD HAVE GIVEN HIM A PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION BEFORE THE SENTENCE WAS COMMUTED, THEN KEPT IN A PRISON INSTITUTION BEFORE CONTEMPLATING COMMUTING HIS SENTENCE
- the conservative arguement

[Slow4]

Slow down the war on drugs, use the money to fund heart disease research, and propose more strict laws for violent offenses. I honestly think that would solve alot of theproblems in the U.S. Slowing down the WOD would reserve space in jail for violent offenders, give police more time to devote catching the real criminals, and save a TON of money. I think that drug use should be considered a secondary offense so that if a person is caught doing something criminal while under the influence or because of addiction then it is an additional offense. Leave the ethical crackhead and potheads alone, they aren't hurting anyone but themselves. And on heart disease... We spend >1000x more money fighting terrorism which kills around 150 americans a year. Where as heart disease a leading cause of death in the US taking hundreds of thousands of live a year. And I think everyone can agree that severe penalties should be given to violent offenders. I just recently had a friend get ran over by a car because he was with a girl another kid "liked". The suspect in the case is getting a felony hit and run. Where as in my opinon it should be attempted homicide with a deadly weapon.

Not that I'm picking on you but DRUGS are one of the main contributors to violent crimes.

And I'm going to safely assume you've never dealt with "ethical crackheads and potheads" on a daily basis. I'm also going to assume you've never dealt with a guy on PCP....your arguement of "they're not hurting anyone but themselves" falls flat on its face here!

Check your facts about "felony hit and run", it falls under your 'attempted murder with a deadly weapon' logic.

Just so you know.

[marty was here]

Not that I'm picking on you but DRUGS are one of the main contributors to violent crimes. Just so you know.

im just saying

[Slow4]

im just saying

Hahahahahaha....I need to find the pic where Charlie Murphy kicks James Brown into the mirror!


"Cocaine, its a helluva kick"

[schmally]

Read up, this sick fuck thought he was Jesus. He made his wife and several others forcefully get undressed at one point, saying it was ok, that he was jesus and the end of the world is coming. What a fuck whacko. Some piece of shit like this Killed someone and a few year later was released and then killed my brother. I for one am glad they killed this ******.

[Dylan]

BUT THEY ARE UNFAIR TO THE OPPRESSED AND DISADVANTAGED BLACK MAN
- the liberal arguement


THEY SHOULD HAVE GIVEN HIM A PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION BEFORE THE SENTENCE WAS COMMUTED, THEN KEPT IN A PRISON INSTITUTION BEFORE CONTEMPLATING COMMUTING HIS SENTENCE
- the conservative arguement

liberal does not equal retarded hippie.

i completely agree that they should have given him a psych test first, and i think you'd agree i'm a pretty liberal person.

[marty was here]

liberal does not equal retarded hippie.

i completely agree that they should have given him a psych test first, and i think you'd agree i'm a pretty liberal person.

i think you are a confused conservative.

our arguement is always to allow to an evaulation before release, and we rarely give a flying fuck about his "situation socially".

but because he was black and underprivileged im sure he was released. and motherfuicking PS huckabee is too progressive on social issues to be a "conservative"

[Dylan]

And I'm going to safely assume you've never dealt with "ethical crackheads and potheads" on a daily basis. I'm also going to assume you've never dealt with a guy on PCP....your arguement of "they're not hurting anyone but themselves" falls flat on its face here!

seriously, how many pot heads do you know that go around assaulting people?

crack and pot should never be considered equals in that sense. there's no such thing as an "ethical crackhead" - they will rob and steal to feed their addiction. some dude doesn't smoke pot for a day, he's not holding up the local kwik-e-mart, he's bogarting off his buddies.

[marty was here]

seriously, how many pot heads do you know that go around assaulting people?

crack and pot should never be considered equals in that sense. there's no such thing as an "ethical crackhead" - they will rob and steal to feed their addiction. some dude doesn't smoke pot for a day, he's not holding up the local kwik-e-mart, he's bogarting off his buddies.

does you experience include pot heads that constantly are in a jobless situation?

[Dylan]

i think you are a confused conservative.

our arguement is always to allow to an evaulation before release, and we rarely give a flying fuck about his "situation socially".

but because he was black and underprivileged im sure he was released. and motherfuicking PS huckabee is too progressive on social issues to be a "conservative"

confused conservative?

i think gay marriage should be allowed - to the same extent as straight marriage, none of this "civil union" shit. gun distribution and ownership should be limited for any firearm that can fit in your pocket or takes a magazine. basic health care should be free and paid for by the government. recreational drugs should be decriminalized and taxed like crazy. death penalty should be abolished. governments should regulate economies, lest they get out of control and screw everything up. god or religion doesn't belong in any publicly-owned building or on any public property. unless attacked by another country, the military should be working as peacekeepers in other countries.

so, what exactly is conservative about me?

[Dylan]

does you experience include pot heads that constantly are in a jobless situation?

every pot head i've known has held a steady job, and the majority have graduated from university. the biggest pothead i know has his masters and teaches at a reputable university here in canada.

so to answer your question, no.