3.2 vs. 2.0T

[A5MD]

Deciding between the two. How much faster is a chipped 2.0T is versus a 3.2 if any?? I don't plan to do many mods if I get the 2.0 except the chip. I like the dual exhaust look of the 3.2. Does one sound better than the other??Any suggestions/comments??

Also, can any members upload some pics of a silver A4 for me. Thanks

[a408]

you can do SO much more with the 2.0tand it would be cheaper as well.

if you are looking to mod a car and want a more potential for power, go with the 2.0T

the 3.2 is plenty fast, my buddy has one and its got exhaust and its pretty quick and sounds awsome. but you are pretty much stuck after a tune exhaust and intake with the 3.2

[juggernaut201]

go 2.0t u never know if ur gunna wanna mod more .. and more .. and more ... my bets is you will lol

[SignitrSideways]

the 2.0t is an all around better engine.. in terms of fuel efficiency, potential power, and peppyness, its hard to beat. the 3.2 advantage is that it will sound better and is faster stock. For some pics of grey cars, look at several of the build threads. Blake has an awesome 'grey' car and I have one as well.
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=311437
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=244126

[A5MD]

I honestly doubt I will be modding much. Both vehicles will definitely feel much faster than my current car (08 Altima 4 cyl.). Also, in my area, there are plenty of Silver 2.0T's but none of the colors I prefer which are the Aruba Blue or Meteor/Quartz grey.
I was looking on edmunds.com and it said that their 0-60 time of a 3.2 was 6.9 but a 2.0T was was 6.5 is this correct or a misprint???

[SignitrSideways]

most likely isn't, however your going to have a challenging time finding a 3.2 on the showroom floor, and you can't order one anymore. They discontinued that engine for the 2010 model year

[B8_Jim]

I honestly doubt I will be modding much. Both vehicles will definitely feel much faster than my current car (08 Altima 4 cyl.). Also, in my area, there are plenty of Silver 2.0T's but none of the colors I prefer which are the Aruba Blue or Meteor/Quartz grey.
I was looking on edmunds.com and it said that their 0-60 time of a 3.2 was 6.9 but a 2.0T was was 6.5 is this correct or a misprint???

Audi quotes 6.3 for the Tip equipped 3.2 (only option) and 6.7 for the tip 2.0T (6MT is quoted as 6.5). Several testers have gotten times for the 2.0T either below the 3.2 time, or at least smaller than the 0.4 sec difference quoted.

The 2.0T is lighter and has more torque below 4500 RPM than the 3.2, so it will be faster until 4500 rpm. The 2.0T engine torque falls off above 4200 RPM, so the 3.2 will do better for 0-60 times or quarter mile runs. The engine is IMHO a bit smoother and the exhaust note is better, but it feels less quick for most driving situations, and fuel economy is not as good plus it's $3300 more.

It's a personal choice, really no wrong one.

[b6onboost]

"The four-cylinder's turbocharger provides immediate boost without a whiff of turbo lag and helps the base car outaccelerate the V-6 up to 50 mph. When speeds reach 80 mph, the V-6's superior horsepower helps it to slowly pull away from the four-cylinder, but up to that speed, the two are identical. So the V-6 is certainly more expensive, but it's not really any quicker than the base engine."

Quoted from: http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/re...&wa=wsignin1.0

This is why the 3.2 is being discontinued. It's more expensive, eats more gas, yet isn't really noticeably quicker in real world driving situations. I'm sure the V6 is smoother and sounds nicer, but that's not enough to justify it over the 2.0T. Even with a simple chip the 2.0T will be much more enjoyable than the 3.2.

[Black3.2]

Since i am the minority and have a 3.2 i will offer my suggestions. If you want to mod, obviously get the 2.0t, it is a GREAT engine for that. I bought the 3.2 because (1, i got an amazing deal on it) i already had a Subaru and did all the mods and was just not in the mood to continue doing it.
I have not "raced" a 2.0 but a friend of mine has one with the APR chip and it was quicker right off the line, no doubt about it, but once we got going i was able to pull away (and not by much). It is really personal preference. They are both fantastic cars, buy the one YOU enjoy more because once you own it, it should only be your opinion that matters the most.
Exhaust sound, to me that is the only advantage the 3.2 has over the 2.0 with everything being stock of course.

[macuser]

Since i am the minority and have a 3.2 i will offer my suggestions. If you want to mod, obviously get the 2.0t, it is a GREAT engine for that. I bought the 3.2 because (1, i got an amazing deal on it) i already had a Subaru and did all the mods and was just not in the mood to continue doing it.
I have not "raced" a 2.0 but a friend of mine has one with the APR chip and it was quicker right off the line, no doubt about it, but once we got going i was able to pull away (and not by much). It is really personal preference. They are both fantastic cars, buy the one YOU enjoy more because once you own it, it should only be your opinion that matters the most.
Exhaust sound, to me that is the only advantage the 3.2 has over the 2.0 with everything being stock of course.

on the open highway (at higher speeds), i assume the 3.2 can accelarate significantly faster?

[Black3.2]

on the open highway (at higher speeds), i assume the 3.2 can accelarate significantly faster?

Not sure, it is very smooth though (3.2). I have driven the 2.0 but it was only around town, probably never went faster than 50-55. Anyone know the answer to that question?

[SignitrSideways]

Not sure, it is very smooth though (3.2). I have driven the 2.0 but it was only around town, probably never went faster than 50-55. Anyone know the answer to that question?

i would only imagine it is as the superior horsepower would allow it to pull away at higher speeds

[Speedy]

I test drove both 3.2 and 2.0 many times back to back and I never felt the power and acceleartion in the 2.0 (maybe because I was used to the Altima SE-R), I seriously felt the 3.2 was faster even at full-stop, especially with the ADS. The 2.0 will lose torque after 4500 rpm which IMHO is when you need it the most, you still feel the torque and pickup when you press on it at 80MPH.

So I finally I bought the 3.2, 5 months ago and I love it. I'm actually happy they discontinued it because now the 3.2 is more unique.

[Black3.2]

I test drove both 3.2 and 2.0 many times back to back and I never felt the power and acceleartion in the 2.0 (maybe because I was used to the Altima SE-R), I seriously felt the 3.2 was faster even at full-stop, especially with the ADS. The 2.0 will lose torque after 4500 rpm which IMHO is when you need it the most, you still feel the torque and pickup when you press on it at 80MPH.

So I finally I bought the 3.2, 5 months ago and I love it. I'm actually happy they discontinued it because now the 3.2 is more unique.

I was wondering for resale purposes though, since the engine was discontinued and the demand was never that high anyway, aren't we going to be SOL when we try to sell? To the OP, that is something to consider also, the resale value.

[HobbesA5]

I was wondering for resale purposes though, since the engine was discontinued and the demand was never that high anyway, aren't we going to be SOL when we try to sell? To the OP, that is something to consider also, the resale value.

Six cylinders will always be a strong selling point, regardless of the relative merits of the 4-cylinder engine. Most folks buying an Audi - new or used - don't spend time learning the details of engines and the like from internet forums. A 6-cylinder will trump a 4-cylinder to most people.

[hoppy6698]

Another thing to think of - if they do research, they will find a lot of 2.0s will have had some sort of modification and some buyers (including myself) will avoid those because you can never tell if what kind of issues they will have down the road due to the extra wear/tear.

[Speedy]

I actually think that in a few years a V6 A4 would be very rare and the resale value would be preserverd better than a 2.0. Personally, I would never consider buying a 4 cylinder car (only for my wife) and I think there are many who think the same.

In Canada, we don't have packages like Prestige for a 3.2. The 3.2 comes fully loaded and the only option to add was the ADS, the Nav, and S-Line, I got the ADS added and it came to $64k (CAD) after taxes and before any discounts, if I added the same options for the 2.0 it would be only $2,800 cheaper, now wouldn't you want to pay $2,800 for the extra 2 cylinders?

[SignitrSideways]

I actually think that in a few years a V6 A4 would be very rare and the resale value would be preserverd better than a 2.0. Personally, I would never consider buying a 4 cylinder car (only for my wife) and I think there are many who think the same.

In Canada, we don't have packages like Prestige for a 3.2. The 3.2 comes fully loaded and the only option to add was the ADS, the Nav, and S-Line, I got the ADS added and it came to $64k (CAD) after taxes and before any discounts, if I added the same options for the 2.0 it would be only $2,800 cheaper, now wouldn't you want to pay $2,800 for the extra 2 cylinders?

why would you want to pay 3k for a lil faster STOCK engine when you could chip a 2.0 for $500 making it faster and more fuel efficient?
once again the only selling point of the v-6 is that it will sound better IMO. all their own tho!

[linet90]

when I was picking my car out I looked at it this way
the 2.0 was turbo could work with a 4 cycl much more better gas milage
on the 3.2 its a 6 cycl dont have to worry about the turbo ever goign bad or any of that but you have alittle more of a lag and eats more gas and the 3.2 is more money
but the number one thing that won me over was you could only get manual in the 2.0

[A5MD]

Thanks for all the opionions. I am stiill in limbo. The only car that I can find in the color I want is the Aruba Blue 3.2T. Sticker is $41,XXX. He is willing to sell it for $36k whick is about 12-13% off. What do you guys think???

[Black3.2]

Thanks for all the opionions. I am stiill in limbo. The only car that I can find in the color I want is the Aruba Blue 3.2T. Sticker is $41,XXX. He is willing to sell it for $36k whick is about 12-13% off. What do you guys think???

that seems pretty good, the sticker on mine was $41,xxx also, and i got him down under $36k. whatever you decide you will enjoy it.

[Speedy]

Thanks for all the opionions. I am stiill in limbo. The only car that I can find in the color I want is the Aruba Blue 3.2T. Sticker is $41,XXX. He is willing to sell it for $36k whick is about 12-13% off. What do you guys think???

I think you should get it for lower, given they should get rid of their 09s now. Even in April I got $5,500 lower than stiker in addition to Maintenance package worth of $750 and first two payments free $2,000 (that's $8,250 discount, of course in Canadian)

[Speedy]

why would you want to pay 3k for a lil faster STOCK engine when you could chip a 2.0 for $500 making it faster and more fuel efficient?
once again the only selling point of the v-6 is that it will sound better IMO. all their own tho!

I'm not into modifications, if I were, I would have probably done what you said. And as per gas milage, I never cared about saving a few dollars per months as a reason for my choice.

[Bayman48]

If it helps your negotiations, i got my v6 in mid august, it had an msrp of 45xxx and i got mine for 367xx...so i would think you could get it for lower.

[sakimano]

I'm not into modifications, if I were, I would have probably done what you said. And as per gas milage, I never cared about saving a few dollars per months as a reason for my choice.

well said

this is interesting...with the new 3.0T S4...how do the deals on new old-stock 2009 3.2 A4 cars stack up against the $46,900 base price S4? I'd imagine they'd have to murder the price of the 3.2 to move them...even if S4 buyers have to wait a few months.

[dpcompt]

"The four-cylinder's turbocharger provides immediate boost without a whiff of turbo lag and helps the base car outaccelerate the V-6 up to 50 mph. When speeds reach 80 mph, the V-6's superior horsepower helps it to slowly pull away from the four-cylinder, but up to that speed, the two are identical. So the V-6 is certainly more expensive, but it's not really any quicker than the base engine."

Quoted from: http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/re...&wa=wsignin1.0

This is why the 3.2 is being discontinued. It's more expensive, eats more gas, yet isn't really noticeably quicker in real world driving situations. I'm sure the V6 is smoother and sounds nicer, but that's not enough to justify it over the 2.0T. Even with a simple chip the 2.0T will be much more enjoyable than the 3.2.

i am biased because i own an '09 a4 20t s-line, but while having my front a-arms replaced, i talked to the mech at the dealer, and he said that the 20t engine in the a3 is showing a lot of durability without a lot of issues. the 3.2
has had a lot of issues with misfiring when cold and something else that i can't remember. the 20t is audi's version of gm's small block chevy engine.
don c.

[A5MD]

If it helps your negotiations, i got my v6 in mid august, it had an msrp of 45xxx and i got mine for 367xx...so i would think you could get it for lower.

Thats a heck of a deal...9k off sticker is incredible!!!

[Speedy]

Damn, we pay a lot more for our cars in Canada and it's not because of the exchange!

Tax and all the fees in conversted to USD, after all discounts A4 3.2 with ADS cost me $52,400 USD and that's after $9k CAD discount! :(
This is not fair!!!!

[joung300]

my friend owns a 3.2 prestige and when he runs against my 2.0t, both quattro and tip, I am faster from a stop and he is quicker from a roll.

at higher speeds he walks me.......

but the 3.2 does sound quite sexy.

but he was surprised that my car could even keep up with his.

[A5MD]

Decisions, decisions. I really prefer the 09 Prem. plus package because of the discounts but I am having a hard time finding my color. The car that I can find the color I want is the 3.2. DOes the 2010 Prem. plus have the 6 disc changer or do I have to go to the Prestige model for this? Also. I heard that some of the 2010's have the control arm issue fixed. Anyway I can tell if its got the fix by the manufacturers date or VIN?

[hoppy6698]

What colors are you looking for in 09s? I just searched in our AO (MD, NJ, NY, PA, DC, and VA). I may recall a dealer that has some 09 P+ in the color you want.

[A5MD]

What colors are you looking for in 09s? I just searched in our AO (MD, NJ, NY, PA, DC, and VA). I may recall a dealer that has some 09 P+ in the color you want.

I am looking for either quartz or meteor gray, aruba blue, and possibly white. I havent searched as far as NJ, NY, DE, and PA, just on the MD area. In the MD area, I have found alot of silvers and a FWD blue.

[hoppy6698]

I am looking for either quartz or meteor gray, aruba blue, and possibly white. I havent searched as far as NJ, NY, DE, and PA, just on the MD area. In the MD area, I have found alot of silvers and a FWD blue.

Tischer Audi, MD - Meteor Gray Prestige, but has nav and audi drive select. Black interior.

Winner Audi, PA - Same as Tischer, same options

Criswell Audi, MD - They have two: one 2.0T Prestige, Ice silver/black, with nav and drive select. The other is a 3.2 P+, Phantom Black/Black, no other options.

Audi of Huntington, PA - Brilliant Black/Black Prestige 2.0T, but has same add-ons as the one at Tischer (above). (I found this build most often, which drove me nuts.)

Don Rosen (Wynnewood), PA - Their inventory has 6 2009 A4s. All are P+ and one is Aruba blue, others are Brilliant Black and one unspecified color. Take a look here - http://www.donrosenimports.com/wynnewood/new-a4-pa.asp

Just as a barter point, the one I am picking up this Friday is a 2009 Prestige, Meteor gray, no other options, and the agreed sale point is $37,500.

Willow Grove in PA has a large 2009 inventory as well - They have 3 P+ or Prestige models, 2 of which are 3.2 versions.

Hope this helps.

[A5MD]

Thanks alot. I saw the prestige one at Tischers website and it stickers for 47k I believe. Tischer has a 3.2 which stickers for 42k and the quote the gave me as $37,487 ( I think they can do better). I also saw a couple days ago that Rockville Audi has an Aruba Blue 3.2 as well. Not a fan of Black or silver. At this point I'm not sure if I want to get a 09 3.2 or get a 2010 Prestige. Where did you find your meteor gray at?

[hoppy6698]

Mine was apparently still at the docks, the dealer had to go pick it up (or at least thats what they told me).

I stopped by Tischer to look at theirs, I think they quoted me somewhere around $44k for it, but not nearly low enough in my book either. I would call theirs a good deal at about $42k.

On average though, I would call the PA dealers, they seem to be more willing to negotiate prices lower. In talking with some MD dealers, they seemed appalled at the price I'm getting mine.

If you PM me, will give you my contact at the dealership I'm using once I pick up the car. Having not physically seen it yet, I want to make sure the deal goes down without issue before recommending them.

[k9lovr]

I would also go to PA for a deal. I went to PA instead of MD for 2 vehicles for the exact reason stated above. I got my 09 P+ with navi, auto, exhaust tips, all weather mats, and cargo net for 36350. Hope this helps.

[snowmatt1]

For what it is worth, I got my 2009 A4 Premium 2.0T in July. I love the car, but my only complaint was how weak it is compared to other cars. I haven't chipped it yet, but should be doing it this month. Not sure the 3.2 is worth the price difference, but the stock 2.0 is a bit weak.

[audi til I die]

For what it is worth, I got my 2009 A4 Premium 2.0T in July. I love the car, but my only complaint was how weak it is compared to other cars. I haven't chipped it yet, but should be doing it this month. Not sure the 3.2 is worth the price difference, but the stock 2.0 is a bit weak.

You bought an entry-level German luxury vehicle, not an AMG, M or S.


I got a 3.2 because the main driver of the vehicle is my girl and she has no intentions on many performance mods, only aesthetic. I had a 2.0t for a couple months and although it's nice and jerky with quick spool time it's not nearly as close to the smoothness of a AT6 3.2. I love driving the car because it just feels like I'm in a cloud. We would've bought the 2.0 but we're getting a project car that won't have carpet or a radio so the 3.2 was a perfect choice. Plus the stock exhaust pops at WOT

[joung300]

You bought an entry-level German luxury vehicle, not an AMG, M or S.


I got a 3.2 because the main driver of the vehicle is my girl and she has no intentions on many performance mods, only aesthetic. I had a 2.0t for a couple months and although it's nice and jerky with quick spool time it's not nearly as close to the smoothness of a AT6 3.2. I love driving the car because it just feels like I'm in a cloud. We would've bought the 2.0 but we're getting a project car that won't have carpet or a radio so the 3.2 was a perfect choice. Plus the stock exhaust pops at WOT

I do like the 3.2's exhaust note.

and just for comparisons sake I picked up my black 2.0t quattro tip with bluetooth, heated seats, and interface for 31,500 out the door (including taxes)

[RaudiA4INCHATT]

Haha! Just ran up against a 3.2 on the highway today. We were fairly even for the most part. I have had my car chipped, but that is my only mod.