T3/T04E turbo info

[burns420]

Im looking for some more info on this turbo, such as dynos, spool and other characteristics and what size intercooler to run. I havent found much about it but from what ive read its about where I want to be power wise. Im looking for about 350awhp. My car will be mainly street driven with a few track days in the summer. I plan on doing the rods and an fx400 clutchmasters as well. Later on Ill be doing some headwork. I know its not a ball bearing but a lot of people seem fine with the spool. Any other suggestions for a turbo? I have a company vehicle I drive everyday so this is mostly to drive a few nights a week and on weekends, a little downtime while working on it is fine. thanks for any input.

[F16HTON]

It may leave you just short if you are looking for 350AWHP. A 30-71 HTA is your best bet for that goal. Tial housing, PagParts manifold.

[burns420]

when you say just short, do you mean Id be looking around 300awhp? or like 330?

Any links for the HTA stuff?

[4inchMAF]

i made 356 on my 50 trim. here all the info you would ever want (my B5 50 trim build thread):

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=258502

[4inchMAF]

just to let you know my opion:

*alot of people like the .63 housing, as it offers about another 15-25WHP. but at the expense of another 4-500 rpm lag. i think the 50 trim with a .63 is just too laggy for a daily. i thought it was actually frustrating at times i mean, on the freeway, the were VERY few cars who could keep up. gut the lag was such, that i would have to downshift from 5th to 3rd on the freeway if i wanted any throttle response!!!

*respool sucks. you have to literally respool it after EVERY shift

*on the upside, it is $700 cheaper than its ball bearing equivalent (about a 3071R).

*and with a .48 housing, throttle response and lag are quite tolerable. but rods become even more important with this smaller housing.

[F16HTON]

when you say just short, do you mean Id be looking around 300awhp? or like 330?

Any links for the HTA stuff?

On a B6 you will see just shy of 340 on a regular basis, you can run very high boost to hit 350 but your goal was 350 daily...

I am just telling you the troof...50 trim will get you close to 350 but the hardware will give you a big pain in the ass...

Tial V-band housing on a PagParts mani will not leak and will run flawlessly.

I love my 71R elim but they are not cool enough for the guys on here.

[4inchMAF]

On a B6 you will see just shy of 340 on a regular basis, you can run very high boost to hit 350 but your goal was 350 daily...

I am just telling you the troof...50 trim will get you close to 350 but the hardware will give you a big pain in the ass...

Tial V-band housing on a PagParts mani will not leak and will run flawlessly.

I love my 71R elim but they are not cool enough for the guys on here.

he does speak troof. the 50 trim is MAXED OUT at 350awhp!!

3071r BB turbo is you best bet for quick spool/respool and just overall quality feeling.

and dont feel bad 400HPa4, i just installed a 2871 Elim too. they spool a little later than the "real" 2871R, but is alright overall. i did it because im just sick of doing full on builds with the car down forever. had the elim on in just a few hours.

[burns420]

Im also considering the 3071r, but the price on the T04em is pretty good. Rods will be done before the turbo goes in.

[burns420]

how would a full on 2871r compare to the 3071R?

[4inchMAF]

how would a full on 2871r compare to the 3071R?

not really. youll get a good 310-325awhp though. but GREAT spool!!! its worth it for my just for spool. my old 3071R was on a stoked 2.0 motor. it was the same spool as a 2871. i think the 3071R is as big as i would do on stock 1.8l displacement.

[burns420]

for a 3071r, where would the power start coming in? this is what I really wanted to find out with this thread. the different turbos and where they make the power. I dont want something that Ill have to run to 7k to get the peak power from. Are there any kits for the HTA stuff? What about just a 3071r kit? I prefer to buy a kit over piecing something together.

[F16HTON]

If you want to just buy a "kit" and be done with it, go with an Eliminator setup from DTH (shameless plug).

I have made in excess of 330AWHP since September 2005 (5 full years now) with a 100% stock block. I fist started out with the ATP "full" GT28RS kit and switched to a 71R eliminator in February of 2006.

My car currently makes in excess of 375AWHP and 375AWTQ (500BHP) and has never given us an engine related mechanical issue for over 100K miles.

The turbo stuff itself is not too expensive ($3000 complete) but you will also need a upgraded clutch and a front mount which will run you another $1200-2200.

http://shop.dthaus.com/product.sc?pr...&categoryId=89

As far as power and spool go, the Elim starts making power at about 3500rpms and sees 30psi on my car by 4300, I normally make just over 300AWHP at 7200 (about as much as the turbo will flow).

The torque is pretty brutal on my car (always has been) and I will see just north of 375WTQ at 4800, naturally it drops off pretty hard after that because the turbo is fully spooled at that point.

A larger frame turbo will make more power up top than an eliminator, but we typically drive our cars from 3500-7000 rpms

[thealla]

nice info...

[burns420]

Wow, I've never heard of that much power from an eliminator. What softeware? I'm assuming that's race gas? I'd like to go with a 94 or lower octane as that's what's readily available here. I'd still do rods since its in my budget but a new motor isn't. I'm actually considering the non elim 2871r Now.

[Greg@DTH]

Software is REVO, injectors are in the 650cc range, on this dyno, I ran the car at 32psi and the air fuel ratio was 14.7:1 (not something I would normally do) but I was running race gas and knew the motor would hold together with no issues.

Here is a log of the three dyno pulls...do not try this at home http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...Ld2JZalE&hl=en

After these dyno pulls, I upgraded the fuel pump to the drop in Bosch 040 and the air fuel ratio is back at 12.8:1

I run my eliminator setup a little different than most since I have a 3.0 bar MAP sensor, 3" MAF housing and run it off of the factory N75.

Daily driving on pump gas, I am running the car at 26psi, on race gas I run it as 32psi. The high boost is what gives me the huge torque numbers right at 4500-5500 rpms.

Even though my other s/n sig has a QM time of 12.8 (that was back on the Elim at 22psi) I am confident this car is in the high 11 second to very low 12 second range now. If I ever get around to upgrading the clutch, we can go back to the QM.

[burns420]

Pretty good numbers. I want to go with something that I can easily upgrade if I get tired of it though. I'm gonna look into some HTA and bullseye turbos and then make a decision. Ill definitely be doing rods and a strong enough clutch and intercooler so It'll be good if I change my mind later

[A4twin]

It may leave you just short if you are looking for 350AWHP. A 30-71 HTA is your best bet for that goal. Tial housing, PagParts manifold.

so what's so special about the Tial housing (tried looking up info but could not find anything)
TIA

[F16HTON]

Tial housing attaches to the exhaust manifold with a V band and is made out of cast stainless steel, the housing is much lighter than a standard cast iron alloy Garrett T2/T3/T4 housing and will not leak.

[Jake39454]

I like how this vband mani is new news to you guys haha. I've seen it mentioned more today then the last year combined... Vband manis are sooo 2007

[F16HTON]

Did you put one on your Dad's car in 2008?

[Jake39454]

No, they aren't kept in stock. Arnold does them per request and they take some time. I will have one on my personal A4 by 10' hopefully

[NetLogic]

the housing is much lighter than a standard cast iron alloy Garrett T2/T3/T4 housing

33% according to Tial.

[47Ronin]

My question is what do i do with my TIP Tranny if I go 2871R or 3071R ... :(

I am gettign ym car repainted and cleaned upwhen i get back

I need to buy

FMIC, Exhaust, Bigger Brakes, New Wheels, Caractere front, sides, rear, s4 blades

So greg - if i get the kit from you what do i do with my tranny

[NetLogic]

Tip should be fine be fine it's the CVT that is problematic Greg can correct me if I am wrong. And the FMIC, Exhaust are the only two needed for the turbo upgrade out of your list so wait on the others if needed.

[burns420]

Thanks for all the great info. It would be awesome if someone made a chart for all the turbos showing the power and spool rates for each. I guess there's just too many variables though, but something to give the noobs like me who can't interpret all the sizes of housings and compressors and such some reference

[Greg@DTH]

My question is what do i do with my TIP Tranny if I go 2871R or 3071R ... :(

I am gettign ym car repainted and cleaned upwhen i get back

I need to buy

FMIC, Exhaust, Bigger Brakes, New Wheels, Caractere front, sides, rear, s4 blades

So greg - if i get the kit from you what do i do with my tranny

Tiptronics seem to be holding up just fine so far. They have not been pushed past 300WHP that I know of, but I do not see any reason why they could not.

[lowandslow4now]

If you are looking for a good turbo kit The 034 stage 3 kit is good and you can start off with a t3/t4 turbo and if you ever want to upgrade to something larger all you have to do is put on a bigger turbo. It is a great starting kit I think and for the price you can't beat it.
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...&highlight=spa

[gregoriousd]

Sorry OP slightly off topic but since no question is a stupid one here goes. Greg- do you think 300+ whp has not been done on a tip car because of the reluctance to build the engine? ie "I have a tiptronic, if I wanted to build an engine I'd buy a manual transmission car". Does REVO do a 3071r tune and do you think you'd need more than just rods? Not trying to cut corners, just getting informed.

[NetLogic]

I am pretty sure some one on here is near or a bit over 300whp on a tip just can't think of his name. It is in sig that he made 266 or so but has a new setup and done more from a few post I read.

[fortunatehomein]

i made 356 on my 50 trim. here all the info you would ever want (my B5 50 trim build thread):

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=258502

Thanks for this!

[Greg@DTH]

Sorry OP slightly off topic but since no question is a stupid one here goes. Greg- do you think 300+ whp has not been done on a tip car because of the reluctance to build the engine? ie "I have a tiptronic, if I wanted to build an engine I'd buy a manual transmission car". Does REVO do a 3071r tune and do you think you'd need more than just rods? Not trying to cut corners, just getting informed.

300+ HP has not been done on a TIP because most folks have not taken the time to optimize their setups and then dyno the car.

If I can make 366AWHP on the elim on a stock block and have been doing it for 5 full solid years now and over 100K miles, anybody else can too.

Building your motor is not going to make the setup make any more power than if it is unbuilt...most built motors on here (with the exception of Jordan's) are not running that well.

[NetLogic]

Greg what about RLB6?

REVO/GT??? Powered Tiptronic
Previous: 283.4 awhp - 287.1 ft-lbs.
| ??? AWHP - ??? FT-LBS |
Let's just say I'm in a certain "coveted" AWHP Club

[burns420]

If you are looking for a good turbo kit The 034 stage 3 kit is good and you can start off with a t3/t4 turbo and if you ever want to upgrade to something larger all you have to do is put on a bigger turbo. It is a great starting kit I think and for the price you can't beat it.
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...&highlight=spa

I was pretty much set on doing this kit, and still am due to the price. How much power are you making? When does it come in? What intercooler, clutch, exhaust, and engine mods are you running?

[lowandslow4now]

I haven't dyno'd yet but I am running 20lbs on a T3/T4 57trim .82ar and I start getting about 7lbs about 3300-3600rpm and full boost about 42-4300rpm. The power is very smooth. I am running on a crappy UNI 440 file. I am running a 3"turbo back no cat no muffler. I am running an ebay intercooler right now which is working pretty good. I am still on stock internals, stock clutch for now It is a grat bolt on turbo kit that has alot of potential. Eventually the motor will be fully built and done up.I haven't put anything else into the car because I am trying to buy a house. Good luck on the choice.

[gregoriousd]

RLB6 is a mysterious man and I don't blame him. From his previous #'s you have to assume he's putting down another 50-??? hp and from what I've read keeps the components of his setup pretty quiet unless I've missed something. This is def a long term goal for me but for now let's say I have a tiptronic idol in RLB6.

[burns420]

Sounds good. Think it would be okay on a 2.5" exhaust with 630 injector tune? Ill be doing just rods for now, followed by a built head.

[lowandslow4now]

You should definetely be fine with that. I would upgrade to a 3" but it is not critical. Once I get situated properly I will more than likely going with a 2liter gt35 setup.

[burns420]

I'm thinking of going with the 1870cc instead of just doing rods. Ill need to get some quotes on the difference in labor first though.