anyone running the Valeo clutch kit with single mass flywheel??..

[fritzner]

-- is anyone running this clutch setup??..
-- how do you like it??..
-- single mass flywheel weight is close to dual mass, so i assume gear rattle and clutch chatter should be minimal, correct??..
-- i've read the dual mass can hold up, but is expensive to replace or a hassle to have resurfaced..
-- all other kits seem to be much more expensive, did i miss any??..


vehicle info:
'05 B6 Audi A4 Avant 6spd quattro 1.8T with REVO stage 2 (APR 1+)
no plans for significantly more power..

links to valeo kit..
germanautoparts

Item number: 350176270232

axis motorsports and others also sell it..

[beegeezy]

Personally, if I was going to change to a single mass flywheel I would want to go to a 240mm clutch too. More surface area, less aggressive clutch needed, and still plenty of holding power.

[SKIDMRK]

-- is anyone running this clutch setup??..
-- how do you like it??..
-- single mass flywheel weight is close to dual mass, so i assume gear rattle and clutch chatter should be minimal, correct??..
-- i've read the dual mass can hold up, but is expensive to replace or a hassle to have resurfaced..
-- all other kits seem to be much more expensive, did i miss any??..

I have this kit in my 1.8 GIAC 1+ car. Kit drives like stock with a better clutch pedal feel. release point is no where near the top like the factory dual mass setup was, it's right in the middle where it should be. No gear rattle or chatter experienced. Don't expect to do any hard launches like some are doing with more aggressive clutch combos though. It'll just slip like the factory kit will. If you're looking for a budget kit, and not going to do BT or anything like that, go for it. It's a great option.

[A4OrlandoB6]

I love this clutch. I think of it as a really durable and performance enhanced OEM kit. The SMF is definitely a good switch

[fritzner]

Personally, if I was going to change to a single mass flywheel I would want to go to a 240mm clutch too. More surface area, less aggressive clutch needed, and still plenty of holding power.

i would like to upgrade to the 240mm, but the ECS kit is on backorder and $200+ more than the valeo.. who else has 240mm kits / how much??..


to the others with the valeo, thanks for the feedback.. very glad to hear you like it!..

[fritzner]

bump.. need to order tmrw..

[MJM Autohaus]

Valeo is actually an OE supplier to many car makes, including a few years on watercooled VWs and early Audi applications. A single-mass upgrade on any VAG vehicle is an excellent choice, as the dual-mass setups are garbage. We've sold a little less than a dozen of these kits for B6 A4s and have had no problems with them at all.

They're $469.95 with free shipping right now.

http://www.mjmautohaus.com/catalog/p...oducts_id=3135

[fritzner]

thanks MJM.. i really like that 240mm SPEC stage 1, but i just cant swing the 2x price..

i may have to jump on that Valeo at $470 shipped.. i'll let you know..

[MJM Autohaus]

thanks MJM.. i really like that 240mm SPEC stage 1, but i just cant swing the 2x price..

i may have to jump on that Valeo at $470 shipped.. i'll let you know..

No problem, just let us know. Ground shipping from TX to PA is approximately 3-5 business days.

[A4OrlandoB6]

dont be discouraged that you arent spending the bucks for the SPEC. you're definitely getting your moneys worth with the valeo. you'll really enjoy this clutch

[MJM Autohaus]

Anything over a K04 (i.e. T3/T4, GT28RS, etc) and we'd do a SPEC kit. Our shop demo APR Stage III+ B6 runs a SPEC Stage II+ and it's wonderful.

K03 guys will be fine with the Valeo kit.

[geeky]

Anything over a K04 (i.e. T3/T4, GT28RS, etc) and we'd do a SPEC kit. Our shop demo APR Stage III+ B6 runs a SPEC Stage II+ and it's wonderful.

K03 guys will be fine with the Valeo kit.

i hate to bring back a thread thats nearly a month old, but I'm in need of a new clutch soon and have looked at the valeo with great appeal. The only question I have is, I plan to bump up to the K04 within the next few months and will stop modifying the car (due to funds running low from being a college student ) and was wondering if the Valeo kit will hold up to the K04 easily.

[fritzner]

after lots of little delays, i finally got the red wagon back on the road.. i went with the Valeo clutch kit and got it from Joe at Axis Motorsport (sorry MJM, i was working with Joe 1st)..

the kit doesnt come with an alignment tool and i was not able to get one in time, but it would have been nice to have..

i only have 100 miles on it, so i am still taking it easy, but so far it feels good.. the pedal is a little lighter than i would like, but i am got used to it very quickly.. there is NO chatter or vibrations at all from the single-mass flywheel..

but to be honest, if i did it over i would pony up the extra $2 bills and get the forged steel RA4 kit from ECS
forged steel RA4 kit from ECS
but at the time it was on backorder and i was really freakin about spending the extra money.. just would have like to have the extra capability..

while i had it apart, i noticed the rear coolant flange was leaking.. its only ~$30 worth of parts and is MUCH easier to do from the bottom when the tranny is out.. it leaked on both my A4s, so if you havent done yours yet, just get the parts (+some G12) and do it.. it'll save you time and money later..

also after we got everything back together, the slave cylinder started leaking.. so i let it sit and ordered the parts.. i have read others have had problems with the slave.. i probably should have just planned to replace it while i was there..

well good luck..

[MJM Autohaus]

i hate to bring back a thread thats nearly a month old, but I'm in need of a new clutch soon and have looked at the valeo with great appeal. The only question I have is, I plan to bump up to the K04 within the next few months and will stop modifying the car (due to funds running low from being a college student ) and was wondering if the Valeo kit will hold up to the K04 easily.

Yes, you'll be fine.

[owdiofile]

Does anyone here have any feedback on F1 Racing clutch kits? Saw some on ebay (item# 390057471583) from gripforce-clutches. Stage I is rated for 288 HP and 292 ft lbs of torque. I'm not planning on chipping or racing, just wondering if these would make a good replacement clutch. Thanks

[dougyfresh]

holy shit. I'm glad this thread came up seeing as I just installed the same clutch in my friend's B5 Avant (bone stock except for an APR reflash) this past weekend.

Question?
1) Do you get any metal on metal sounds when you push the clutch pedal in all the way 'til it hits the floor?

The kit I installed gets that noise. I am concluding (without removing the trans to visually verify) that the stack height is wrong on the flywheel/clutch combo. Why? The noise only occurs when the clutch is fully disengaged at the furthest point of the slave cylinder's travel. Clutch engagement and disengagement feels normal and the car drives fine (you just can't push the pedal to the floorboard otherwise you'll get this noise).

I am concluding that upon full travel the pressure plate fingers are hitting the damper springs on the clutch disc. I will be calling Valeo tomorrow to figure this ish out for my friend is not happy that we spent 4hrs to remove his old clutch and install the new one and its not 100% due to a fault in the manufacturing (I've installed upwards of 5-6 B5 and B6 1.8T clutches and never had a problem until now). Looks like we have to spend another 4hrs and put a different clutch in to solve this problem.

[BARRY]

i'm running the ECS Steel RA4 flywheel, with a valeo S4 clutch kit.

this thing drives beautifully and smooth as silk. with luxury car clutch engagement. until my coworker glazed over my clutch at 2,000miles. now it chatters like a donkey.

[MJM Autohaus]

Question?
1) Do you get any metal on metal sounds when you push the clutch pedal in all the way 'til it hits the floor?

No.

[fritzner]

Question?
1) Do you get any metal on metal sounds when you push the clutch pedal in all the way 'til it hits the floor?

sorry i missed this question earlier, i was on vacation..

no i dont get any noise from the clutch at all.. its been 600-700 miles..

[mike-2ptzero]

Not sure if anyone knows this, but the Valeo A4 1.8t kit with the flywheel can not be used with any other type of clutch kit. This means once you have that flywheel you are stuck with the Valeo OEM replacement clutch kit. If you want to upgrade to a performance clutch later on you have to buy a whole new flywheel.

This is actually news to me and something I just found out today, was even showing the kit while at Clutch Masters and how the flywheel is much different then the OEM/aftermarket A4 1.8t flywheels.

[dougyfresh]

Interesting news Mike. Thanks for sharing.


I've got a fellow B5 AZ member installing one of these clutches soon on his car. I asked him to take stack height measurements of the OEM -vs- the Valeo SMFW kit he gets. Its the easiest thing I can do at this point in time.... shy of taking my friend's Valeo SMFW kit out of his car to measure everything. I'm 99% convinced they fubar'd the stack-height on his clutch. That's why we're getting the noises we're getting at full disengagement.

[my1stturbo]

I heard the same thing about replacing the clutch kit in the future means you have to go Valeo. I'm happy with the clutch so far, but kept my stock flywheel just in case.

I heard the same thing as far as the AWE flywheel that comes in the kit with the SB clutch?

[CaRtharsis]

I'm also in need of a clutch right now. K04 and new software pushed it too far.

I have been considering the Clutchmasters FX400 and was considering staying with the stock flywheel.

I am also now considering the ECS stage 2 with single mass steel after talking to a neighbour with a 450whp B5 S4 who is running the stage 3.

Anyone else running the ECS have any feedback. I am currently at 180/235 wheel but will be 300/300+ next summer and don't plan on redoing this again.

[mike-2ptzero]

I'm also in need of a clutch right now. K04 and new software pushed it too far.

I have been considering the Clutchmasters FX400 and was considering staying with the stock flywheel.

I am also now considering the ECS stage 2 with single mass steel after talking to a neighbour with a 450whp B5 S4 who is running the stage 3.

Anyone else running the ECS have any feedback. I am currently at 180/235 wheel but will be 300/300+ next summer and don't plan on redoing this again.

First thing I would suggest is to go on the S4 forum and ask how they feel about the RS4 pressure plate.


If you go FX400 on a stock flywheel you will need to go with either a 8 pad segmented ceramic disk or an offset 6 puck because a standard sprung 6 puck wont work on the OEM flywheel.

[mike-2ptzero]

Interesting news Mike. Thanks for sharing.


I've got a fellow B5 AZ member installing one of these clutches soon on his car. I asked him to take stack height measurements of the OEM -vs- the Valeo SMFW kit he gets. Its the easiest thing I can do at this point in time.... shy of taking my friend's Valeo SMFW kit out of his car to measure everything. I'm 99% convinced they fubar'd the stack-height on his clutch. That's why we're getting the noises we're getting at full disengagement.

I can ask the guys at Clutch Masters to take some measurements since they have stacks of those kits that they supply to local auto shops. They actually pulled out an A4 kit for me to look at.

I heard the same thing as far as the AWE flywheel that comes in the kit with the SB clutch?

AWE flywheel looks to be a standard Aasco Billet aluminum flywheel which will work with just about all of the aftermarket clutch kits, this is why it works with the SB clutch kit which will also work on Spec, Aasco and even Clutch Masters flywheels since they are all designed to be nearly the same as the stock flywheel when it comes to stack height.

[fritzner]

Not sure if anyone knows this, but the Valeo A4 1.8t kit with the flywheel can not be used with any other type of clutch kit. This means once you have that flywheel you are stuck with the Valeo OEM replacement clutch kit. If you want to upgrade to a performance clutch later on you have to buy a whole new flywheel.

This is actually news to me and something I just found out today, was even showing the kit while at Clutch Masters and how the flywheel is much different then the OEM/aftermarket A4 1.8t flywheels.

i thought that was the case, but wasnt 100% sure.. i am very happy with it so far, but if i had it to do over again i would have gone with the RA4 kits from ECS that uses an S4 disc and plate with a custom SMFW.. the RA4 is $680 vs $450 for the valeo.. both economical options, but i was out of work and had to save every penny.. i also sold my stock DMFW for $90..

i am expecting/hoping it will last me a while, but only time will tell..

[BARRY]

First thing I would suggest is to go on the S4 forum and ask how they feel about the RS4 pressure plate.


If you go FX400 on a stock flywheel you will need to go with either a 8 pad segmented ceramic disk or an offset 6 puck because a standard sprung 6 puck wont work on the OEM flywheel.

RS4 clutch feels stock, but you just know it can hold some power. the engagement is so silky. my friend upgraded his B5 S4 clutch to the RS4 clutch a few years back. expensive though, i'm sticking with S4 clutches until there is a cheaper alternative.

[BonesZ33]

im about to order this kit.. and as stated it does not come with an alignment tool.. Where can i get an alighnment tool?

[infernocl]

i have universal clutch alignment kit from autozone

[kidashley25]

i like valeo clutch its really durable and performance enhanced OEM kit.

[A4OrlandoB6]

way to revive an old thread and say almost EXACTLY what i said in post #4....

[Matt@EuropaParts]

We have it in stock too (http://www.europaparts.com/clutch-ki...117-valeo.html) in case anyone is still looking for it.

[Abuck35]

this thread just won't die.

What is a good reliable clutch kit for someone who wants to lauch without breaking

[onceover]

fx400