Ls1 in an audi

[absolutegtr]

I don't think there's enough room for the LS1 to fit in the engine bay without serious fabrications. It was hard enough for Audi to get the 4.2 V8 to fit that they had to relocate the timing chain (and a few other things) in order to make it work.

Oh it would fit. The 4.2 is a DOHC while the LS1 is a pushrod. The LS1 is a "tiny" engine and is very light. Thaat is why just about evrycar can accept the LS1

[rxrep]

The other thing that's tough with doing a cross-manufacturer swap is inspection and insurance (I'm sure it may be state-dependent).
My buddy with the LS1 Miata drives the thing so illegal it's funny. Can't get it passed through inspection (it's not like overlooking a test pipe or something, lol), and no one will insure it. You can lie on the insurance, if you can get past the inspection, but then if anything does happen, you'll be denied coverage so damn fast.

[G Men 08]

Why have this purist mentallity? Its not like we are swapping out a great motor to put in a worse motor....lol, the 1.8 isnt much.

If we were swapping out a S motor (whether it be the 2.7t or 4.2, than thats different)

There needs to be people to push the envelope on our cars...

i agree 100%.. if you have the will and the money to do so then why not.. now if you were gonna take a twin turb v8 out of an rs6 to put a supercharged chevy 572 then we would all come and find you and well i cant exactly say what woul dhappen but putting an ls1 motor and trans combo and making it work would be an awesome idea if you can pull it off, screw all the nay sayers sayin oh comeon you cant put a "cookie cutter" motor in and audi... what ever cookie cutter is supposed to mean lol, im asuming its a "plain" motor that doesnt cost six arms and four legs to repair when the time comes.. i love my audi and have fun working on it dont get me wrong but theres nothing wrong with a reliable motor that will easily put up really stong numbers and perform really well

[Viv Savage]

That's my only real complaint on my car is the lack of power...If everything was the same + 200hp I would be stoked.

Have you done any mods??? If not, I know your car could be pretty damn quick with a GIAC flash plus GIAC's new CVT transmission flash, its some rad stuff dude, I would do it if i had CVT but i have a 6 spd...

[Papachristou]

i dont think the engine bay is wide enough.

[SleeperAvant]

The other thing that's tough with doing a cross-manufacturer swap is inspection and insurance (I'm sure it may be state-dependent).
My buddy with the LS1 Miata drives the thing so illegal it's funny. Can't get it passed through inspection (it's not like overlooking a test pipe or something, lol), and no one will insure it. You can lie on the insurance, if you can get past the inspection, but then if anything does happen, you'll be denied coverage so damn fast.

My buddies with Miatas have told me to swap in LS1, LS3, LS6, or even LS9 engines into my Audi but this is the main reason not to do it, not to mention the cost, time and headaches involved.

[rxrep]

Have you done any mods??? If not, I know your car could be pretty damn quick with a GIAC flash plus GIAC's new CVT transmission flash, its some rad stuff dude, I would do it if i had CVT but i have a 6 spd...

No where close to an LS1 without a POS CVT. You need to do a lot more than that and get a different tranny.
I see the attraction on the LS1, because any car tinkerer does that swap because in most cases it's cheap. It will fit. Cuts and welds would need done, but it will fit.
I just get more satisfaction out of whooping up on an LS1-powered car with a little foreign 4-banger than I ever would doing an LS1 swap.
To do it just to do it makes no sense to me when you could have more with the engine we've already got.
Plus, I'd hate the attraction at the local cruises and shows for all cars when all the American muscle wrench heads finally appreciate my car because of the swap. I'd rather have them have no clue about an Audi and be pissed when I whoop on them with the 4-cyl turbo.

[texasboy21]

Everyone here seems to hate America........and to those who say they $hit on 350+whp LSX engines, if you had a smaller lighter car with the same engine they do but modded you should walk em.....i had a stock 5.7 350 with only a westers tune and it made 221 hp and 348ftlbs. had it stroked/bored w/ heads, intake mani, headers and small cam and it made 334hp and 421 foot lbs, i could roast the tires by flooring it going 20-25mph when dry (33" tires). if a 7 thousand truck could run 13.XX then a 4000lbs audi would fly.

barrett

[GramCracker]

I want to put an AAN into my B5. That would be SICK.

[rxrep]

I don't hate America at all personally. Hate most of the junk coming out of Detroit as a full car, with some exceptions. I respect the LS1. Have had many LS1 equiped cars and appreciate it's reliability and cheap power.
My beef is that you can get just as much and more out of the engine we have. I would do a swap if it was for power that I couldn't achieve with what I've got, at an equivalent or cheaper cost. But I'd never do a swap that limited me to RWD, and I would never do it as the first person to pull it off in an Audi.
It's just so overdone already in every other car that it isn't even something with "wow" factor. Every cruise I go to has at least one car with an LS1 swap. I've even seen an old Rabbit with an LS1 swap, not to mention the tons of Miatas and old Triumphs. That's not even getting in to the American cars. And they sound great starting up, but none of the foreign swaps are truly driveable. Can't get power to the ground and still be able to drive street or road track; problems with weight distribution in order to have the block fit, etc. It's a novelty. If it were usefull on a track (not just a straight line, either), and driveable in the street then I'd give it credit.

[beemercer]

Throw in a $300 cam and some big boy heads (AFR) for like $3K and your putting down over 420RWHP

I was just gonna make that point. My brother's 2000 WS6 with pretty mild work done (as far as cost and difficulty); headers, heads, F.A.S.T. Intake, Big cam, 3" catback, massive rear end, street slicks, clutch; runs mid to high 11's at well over 120mph without a tune. Now he probably has about $5k - $7k in the motor, but when you consider that according to a quarter mile trap speed horse power caculator he's putting down about 500 rwhp without a tune, that's some ridiculous power for cheap.

[B6Lovin]

Everyone here seems to hate America........and to those who say they $hit on 350+whp LSX engines, if you had a smaller lighter car with the same engine they do but modded you should walk em.....i had a stock 5.7 350 with only a westers tune and it made 221 hp and 348ftlbs. had it stroked/bored w/ heads, intake mani, headers and small cam and it made 334hp and 421 foot lbs, i could roast the tires by flooring it going 20-25mph when dry (33" tires). if a 7 thousand truck could run 13.XX then a 4000lbs audi would fly.

barrett

its not that i HATE them. I usually just hate the drivers - i've met cool domestic owners the same way i've met douche-bag euro owners, but it's the way that the "V8" crowd comes across as a whole. we all know the more displacement you have the more potential for a bigger HP# you have - and a lot of us don't give a shit when it comes down to it... you bring what you've got, and you do your best.

and what's your point about if we had a smaller lighter car? I've got a BIGGER, HEAVIER car with a SMALLER engine and i STILL shit all over their parade on a daily basis. Even an A4 with a LSx engine swapped in would be heavier and bigger, we have pigs for cars - don't forget that.

[tdmopar59]

Do it, and I'll still spank you with an Audi 4cyl

hahahaha

ls1 in audi a4 would be too much work to much wiring too much BS... and a4ringedONE8T is right... the power potential is there for a 1.8t or 2.0t... getting an ls1 to work in audi would cost you a similar price...

[awdjunkies]

Sorry, I just hate cross-manufacturer swaps.

I feel the exact same way^^.. Then again, on the other side of this spectrum it's all about individuality.

[absolutegtr]

i dont think the engine bay is wide enough.

Oh it does. It's been done before.

Like I said if Audi managed to squeeze the 4.2 DOHC motor in our cars than the ls1 will definitely fit. The ls1 is surprisingly small for a 5.7 litre

[FORCE_FED_DUB]

NO.

at least choose a motor from a make that knows how to put the cam(s) above the valves and doesn't put leaf springs in its "supercar"

.... 100hp/L NA would be nice too

[beemercer]

Oh it does. It's been done before.

Like I said if Audi managed to squeeze the 4.2 DOHC motor in our cars than the ls1 will definitely fit. The ls1 is surprisingly small for a 5.7 litre

I think we are the only two who like the LS1 ha ha. Besides being tiny in physical size they are featherweights, the block is a feather over 115 pounds.

I think this sums up the size argument, granted they are ford motors but you get the idea;

[juxsa]

That would be pretty sweet if you could put an LS series motor in it. But in all honesty if I was going to drop an LS motor any any car I would put it in something other than an
Audi. For your Audi I would just throw a bigger turbo and fuel system and get a tune and have fun with it.

I have actually been planing on doing somthing like this when I find the right car. I want to get a 59 Galaxie or an early to mid 60's Big 3 car and drop either an LS2 motor in or a Ford 5.0 Cobra motor in it. Make great power and get good fuel economy. If I do the LS2 with the T56 with displacement on demand I could get over 30mpg on the hwy.

And don't mind all the other car snobs here. If you do it I would hope you would make a thread about it and post up lots of pictures of the process. Either way and AWD A4 with an LS1 would be pretty wicked and it would be funny to watch it destroy all the other audis here :D

[Boosted3.0]

Or you could build the LSX and TT it and have an 850whp A4. Would AWD be possible? If so I'm doing it 100% and doing awd burnouts/doughnuts around everyone on this forum. If only RWD is possible, I'm keeping my setup and chirping my tires off the line in the rain at everyone on this forum.

[B6Lovin]

Or you could build the LSX and TT it and have an 850whp A4. Would AWD be possible? If so I'm doing it 100% and doing awd burnouts/doughnuts around everyone on this forum. If only RWD is possible, I'm keeping my setup and chirping my tires off the line in the rain at everyone on this forum.

find me a transmission that'll handle that.... and I'll make you king of the world.

[jasonsowers]

If your going to do it do it right. LS9.

I'd like to see this happen.

Good Luck.

[A4 Moda]

Ha!

I thought the point of getting a 1.8t was achieving the balance between performance and efficiency?

1.8 liters will be very very easy on gas when you aren't in turbo. But if you want to wail on it, it has some go to it too. German cars are just heavy. It's a fact of life. We "should" have all known what we were getting ourselves into before we started on our modding projects.

I agree though, if anybody pulls this off, it would be a killer combo.

[juxsa]

hell the ls series motor is pretty damn efficiant too. My friends stock 01 T/A get 29-30mpg hwy cruising around 75-80mph and gets 18-20mpg city. My 1.8t only gets a little better then that.

[Boosted3.0]

find me a transmission that'll handle that.... and I'll make you king of the world.

Idn anything about swaps so someone else find it and I'll do it. I like to learn as I go

[sean1.8t]

Reason I ask is because I saw a thread where someone is into a 2.0 build for 23k. Full ls1 engine tranny and all the other parts would be no more than 5k.

who? just engine parts? i assure you either that person is getting the best of the best. getting screwed, or adding in suspension, brakes, trans work, etc into that price.

and furthermore if this hasn't already been discussed....

if you do ALL of the work yourself then you might be able to have a turn key LSx A4 with 5 grand of work. it will be half assed together though. but if you do it correctly, and have it done by people that know what they are doing, you are going to be in the 10-15k(at least) range is my best guess.

I know this, it's chevy, but motor swaps in an Audi, come one.

this coming from a guy with a CVT

ls1 is most likely cheaper and definitely more reliable andmuch more power for much less money.

A LOT cheaper. cheaper and more abundant aftermarket and OEM parts. lighter and more durable motor. better flowing head options. cheaper trans options if going the RWD route. the list goes on and on on why the LSx motor's would be a better V8 swap than the 4.2 audi motor is.

[O2VW1.8T]

LS1 swap would be sick, AWD + instant torque would be a fun car.... I wouldn't do in a B6 cause it would never pass inspection and i would want to drive the car daily if i did this..

[BARRY]

I know this, it's chevy, but motor swaps in an Audi, come one.

what about it? if someone wants to do it, and does it right nobody will have anything negative to say.

here's my friends car...Lexus GS300 x LS1







http://fatlace.com/stayfresh/jay/200...sembly-starts/
http://fatlace.com/stayfresh/jay/200...-motor-choice/

[Sales@RAI]

Yeah, the motor and trans is only $5k, but then there's all the "R&D" into making it fit, and then running a stand alone system to actually make it run. But anything is possible if you have the time, money, effort, and creativity. Just don't expect to be able to drop an LS1 into an Audi for $5k

This is the best post in this thread.

I could get a BAT ready motor for 3k, but its the other 7k that you dont see coming

[A4 TSCHUSS]

Reason I ask is because I saw a thread where someone is into a 2.0 build for 23k. Full ls1 engine tranny and all the other parts would be no more than 5k.

$23k for a 2.0 build? It doesn't even cost that much to build a full out GT28 twin turbo S4

[A4 TSCHUSS]

gonna try (keyword all you haters... ) and get mid 400's on pump gas. (i'm quattro btw)

Guess you missed on that one haha. Got mid 300s instead (well a hair over)

[inertia]

Reason I ask is because I saw a thread where someone is into a 2.0 build for 23k. Full ls1 engine tranny and all the other parts would be no more than 5k.

23K? What numbers did he end up putting out? A full LS1 + tranny will cost way more that 5k. You also have to factor in the cost to fabricate the engine bay, electronic components (computer & wirinng), custom driveshaft, complete rear-end setup with splines, the list goes on. If you have the money and the resources go for it.

here's my friends car...Lexus GS300 x LS1

Thats an interesting combo. Has it ran it at the track yet?

[Boosted3.0]

Could you make the LS1 awd?

[darkstar]

you can had a motor and tranny on ebay for under 5k and all you need to get the motor running is a ECU and the stand alone wiring harness which is like 500 bucks.. now to get everything else working on the audi with the motor is a different story..

[smith&wesson]

That would be an insane setup! A4 + LS1 (modded)

[pandaudi]

Whatever rocks your boat.

[absolutegtr]

Buddy of mine bought an Ls1 for $400.

Transmission was another $500.

[AudiVWTech]

$23k for a 2.0 build? It doesn't even cost that much to build a full out GT28 twin turbo S4

yes it does. Ls1+01e transmission ftw

[layzie]

as long as the motor isnt longer then the 4.2 that comes in the s4 i dont see this being a hard swap. id love to see a ls1 in a b6. as much as i am not an american car fan i think the ls1 is a great motor and takes very well to bolt ons.

i had a friend who was considering doing a 26b in a b5, which i think would be awesome. i love cross manufacturer swaps.

EDIT: GO BIG OR GO HOME...the LS9

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NA...0/?image=large

[prew]

i had a friend who was considering doing a 26b in a b5

Then he realized the e-shaft was worth more than his car?

[layzie]

There is a company from new zealand that makes them, think last time i looked were like 10k+ but still a ton of money for just the e-shaft

after all said and done i think it would be an awesome set up. ITB 26b 500+hp